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Making a bad trade isn’t the answer to start winning.
Knies can be had, but for Manson he certainly won’t.
Value of: Josh Manson to the Leafs at the deadline
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Making a bad trade isn’t the answer to start winning.
Knies can be had, but for Manson he certainly won’t.
OVO16
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i agree its a whole canada thing right now, if i was in their shoes playing in the US i wouldn't want to come to canada and play on empty arenas and all the ristrictions going on at the moment, just my two cents worth, but would love to see Manson come to the leafs i hear the leafs are one of his 10 team no trade list, if so i wouldn't bother going after a guy that doesn't want to be here...
I doubt Manson gets Knies but he definitely needs to start winning
Don't see the point in trading Manson for scraps. Just keep him and try to make the playoffs, then try to resign him for a reasonable deal and have some depth on D for a change.
I would rather get the young Ducks players into the playoffs for experience than to trade Manson for a 2nd rd pick (which has something like a 10% chance of being a NHL regular?) and/or a C/B level prospect.
I would rather get the young Ducks players into the playoffs for experience than to trade Manson for a 2nd rd pick (which has something like a 10% chance of being a NHL regular?) and/or a C/B level prospect.
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I'm 100% on board with re-signing Manson. Our depth on the right isn't great. I think we need him to help our youth develop with a decent team around them over the next couple years.
Oddbob
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I hate when I read things like Toronto shouldn't give up prospects or picks to try to win now. When you have an opening towards trying to win is exactly the time you give up assets to try and give yourself what you need at playoff time. You keep that stuff, when you are rebuilding, not trying to win.
Exactly and at 29-10-3 and with Dubas job probably on the line now is the time
Holymakinaw
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Do they really? So they HAVEN'T given up the 4th fewest goals in the NHL so far this year then? My bad, I thought I had read that they had, somewhere.
(Or had the 3rd best PK......or the 6th best GA per games played.......or 3rd most wins when leading after 1 period......)
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Holymakinaw
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No, according to the "Campbell vs. Demko" poll, its the Leaf's D that is the only reason he has great stats. Y'all need to get your scripts straight.
Holymakinaw
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Sure but like on a more factual based argument…. Hasn’t he helped inflate those numbers, not saying the leafs defense isn’t good, more of a question.
When I watched leafs vs ducks I didn’t think the defense was amazing by any means…. I felt the team spreads the ice well…. Transitions upwards quickly which means the other teams defenders are on their heels a lot rather than attacking…. Which I imagine helps the defense a lot.
Holymakinaw
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He helps them.....they help him......it's all interconnected, of course.
The point remains, Toronto doesn't "badly need help on the blueline" which was the comment I was responding to. And people on this forum constantly move the goal posts and start saying that the ONLY reason Toronto has all these great defensive numbers, is because of Jack Campbell, who coincidentally, has inflated numbers solely from "being on a good team".
It's the circle of crud.
Not really, Campbell has actually been reallllly bad since January and they still found a way to get it done. Campbell was great early on, he stole some games for sure but the D has been solid. I give more credit to the skaters committing to playing a complete defensive game.
His last 5 games
.969, .667, .850, .808, .800 and he was letting in some weak ones.
Earlier in the season he helped inflate the numbers a bit, since January he's deflated them. Overall I think they're fairly accurate now, things always seem to balance themselves.
Spazkat
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What exactly has changed now that would make him want to go to Toronto? I was under the impression that most players would prefer to be in the US with the current covid climate
ToDavid
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It’s not that simple. There’s two different parts of winning a cup. Building a good team and maintaining a good team so you can get as many runs as possible. Yes you should be willing to spend to upgrade but no you shouldn’t just throw away assets on anything just for the sake of it.
Crosby/Malkin era Pittsburgh doesn’t have 3 cups because they “went for it” in three years, they have 3 cups because they were a competitive team for 15 years.
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Would you say you feel confident with the defense/goalie situation now heading to playoffs
Holymakinaw
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Yup.
And in spite of Campbell's slump, the Leafs are top 10 in the NHL in W, L(by least to most), P, P%, ROW, RW, GF, GA(by least to most), GF/GP, GA/GP (by least to most), PP%, PK%, FOW, W in 1 goal games & W in 3 goal games.
He's a good Goalie, no doubt. But the notion that the Leafs are in desperate need of defensive help, is ludicrous. They simply have a very good team, all around. They will likely add someone at the deadline, but it'll be more for depth, not for need.
Cotton
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i mean it’s quite possible. It isn’t exactly as simple as that. Friedman said that “someone who would know told him Toronto is on his NTC” but then he said that it could just be a way of stopping trade talks. (Kinda like a team that doesn’t want their top 4 distracted?)
it’s possible but no one knows. In fact the last time we heard this was that Brodie had Toronto on his list. Then signed as a ufa that summer.
the “American” thing is overblown in that he grew up in Canada. His dad played on Toronto and mostly in Canada. The family is now in Saskatchewan. he seems to go back in the summers? But that’s kinda unclear. But He is every bit as Canadian as American.
He may refuse to waive for the leafs. Anaheim may be in a division race by the deadline. No one knows. Really
Oates2Neely
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When TJ Brodie signed, we were just at the "heart" of COVID -- everyone was a little scared, and I don't think lockdown differences in Canada vs. the US really played a factor. He also would have had a ~2 year old at the time; so may have percieved Toronto as being "safer" than the States. He did of course site Toronto's constant pursuit of him as a reason he wanted to sign here.
Fast forward 2 years, and I think the general consensus is that playing / living in Canada sucks right now. Manson obviously hasn't wanted to go to Toronto for a long time, and this certainly isn't going to help... so even if Manson would be tempted to go because of the Leafs apparent constant pursuit (it's certainly been constant on these boards), lockdowns are certainly enough of a reason to say "no thanks".
