Proposal: Josh Anderson to LA for Gabriel Vilardi + RHD

[Natey]

Not for Vilardi+. How about Arvidsson for Anderson? Both of their last names start with A.

At first I thought this said Michael Anderson and I was like... are you crazy? Of course I'll do that lol

I'd probably still do this trade even though, although I might want a middle pick back. They both suck defensively. Anderson brings physicality that Arvidsson doesn't. Arvidsson has a way better contract for Montreal though with all their bad players expiring in the next year or two.

I have a feeling Montreal has slightly better offers than this the way Hughes was talking about it in the summer. But I just feel like if that was true, he'd be moved already unless he's really that big of an influence in the locker room.. which could be true given all the media coverage this summer with the kids.

 

[Habs Halifax]

More than that. He'll still have 4 years remaining.

Anderson is not a negative contract. It's a fair amount for his prime years and in a growing cap.

You guys are acting like he is signed from 31-38. You might not like the trade Idea but mark this one down as... I don't like it and as a result, going to troll the Habs player value in the process.

If Anderson plays in a consistent spot with Suzuki and Caufield, he's going to be a ++ contract pretty quickly. Habs have bounced him around in our line-up ever since he got here.

Montreal won't trade Josh Anderson. Big heavy players are hard to play against in playoffs. I doubt they trade Monahan either. Many say we trade Monahan at deadline for a first but I doubt it. He was real good player for us tonight. I think they may Re-sign him. They may trade Dvorak for a first though. He had a good game but future down the middle in Montreal is likely Suzuki, Dach, Monahan and Evans. That is solid group down the middle.

Agreed. Some Habs fans are too desperate to try to trade Anderson and some other fans are too desperate to troll his trade value. Double whammy.

Habs are not trading Anderson unless we get pry away value. Reality.

 

[Satan]

Anderson is not a negative contract. It's a fair amount for his prime years and in a growing cap.

You guys are acting like he is signed from 31-38. You might not like the trade Idea but mark this one down as... I don't like it and as a result, going to troll the Habs player value in the process.

If Anderson plays in a consistent spot with Suzuki and Caufield, he's going to be a ++ contract pretty quickly. Habs have bounced him around in our line-up ever since he got here.

I got bad news for you if you think NHL players are in their prime at age 28.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I got bad news for you if you think NHL players are in their prime at age 28.

You're bad news is meh. Means nothing. Age 28 is prime years.

Let me guess, you think prime years is age 20-25?

 

[Voight]

Anderson is not a negative contract. It's a fair amount for his prime years and in a growing cap.

You guys are acting like he is signed from 31-38. You might not like the trade Idea but mark this one down as... I don't like it and as a result, going to troll the Habs player value in the process.

If Anderson plays in a consistent spot with Suzuki and Caufield, he's going to be a ++ contract pretty quickly. Habs have bounced him around in our line-up ever since he got here.



Agreed. Some Habs fans are too desperate to try to trade Anderson and some other fans are too desperate to troll his trade value. Double whammy.

Habs are not trading Anderson unless we get pry away value. Reality.

He has a cap hit of 5 and change yet has never scored more than 47 points. Its not a good contract.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He has a cap hit of 5 and change yet has never scored more than 47 points. Its not a good contract.

It's not a great contract but it's not a horrible one either. You can look at point totals if you wish. His value is far deeper than points in shortened or injury seasons and when he is bounced all over the line-up.

If MSL keeps him in a consistent spot and he stays healthy, you will see. There is a reason why many NHL GM's have called the Habs on Anderson. You're overlooking his value and context in what type of player he is, how rare they are to acquire, and also how he has not been in a consistent spot in the line-up.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I got bad news for you if you think NHL players are in their prime at age 28.

i guess that can depend on many factors like injuries and the persons trainning but at 28 i think most athletes are still in their prime

 

[Satan]

You're bad news is meh. Means nothing. Age 28 is prime years.

Let me guess, you think prime years is age 20-25?

This isn't news either and is supported by stats (instead of your gut-alytics) but you can choose to claim ignorance. There's a reason why more and more teams have chosen to pay big bucks up front to their young talent.

5 years for Josh Anderson while he continues to get slower and produce less offense is not going to be attractive to many teams.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This isn't news either and is supported by stats (instead of your gut-alytics) but you can choose to claim ignorance. There's a reason why more and more teams have chosen to pay big bucks up front to their young talent.

5 years for Josh Anderson while he continues to get slower and produce less offense is not going to be attractive to many teams.

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It's not lineal where you can apply this to equal to all players. Anderson signed from age 28-32 is far from bad term.

Kreider just had his best season at age 30. Not saying Anderson follows this same path but there are many examples of players having very good 28-32 years. You're probably the type to nit pick "prime years" and then go google your little graft. Age 28-32 is maturity years and back end of prime. Nothing to be concerned about.

You're acting like he is signed past 35. Keep trying and ignoring that many NHL GM's called the Habs about Anderson's availability.

 

[Satan]

It's not lineal where you can apply this to equal to all players. Anderson signed from age 28-32 is far from bad term.

Kreider just had his best season at age 30. Not saying Anderson follows this same path but there are many examples of players having very good 28-32 years. You're probably the type to nit pick "prime years" and then go google your little graft. Age 28-32 is maturity years and back end of prime. Nothing to be concerned about.

You're acting like he is signed past 35. Keep trying and ignoring that many NHL GM's called the Habs about Anderson's availability.

just say you don't understand math

 

[Habs Halifax]

just say you don't understand math

Just move on and avoid insults with your disagreement. Character is showing with this type of reply.

This is not a math problem BTW. It's a comprehension problem.

 

[Satan]

Just move on and avoid insults with your disagreement. Character is showing with this type of reply.

This is not a math problem BTW. It's a comprehension problem.

You're right, it is a comprehension problem. Somehow Josh Anderson is special enough that he can avoid Father Time better than most players.

Unfortunately for you, the results of his previous two years in Montreal and reality check of how similar physical players have degraded with time, do not support this.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You're right, it is a comprehension problem. Somehow Josh Anderson is special enough that he can avoid Father Time better than most players.

Unfortunately for you, the results of his previous two years in Montreal and reality check of how similar physical players have degraded with time, do not support this.

If he had poor skating, I might say you have a point. But he don't have poor skating so your point is weak. All players develop, and decline at different rates. More worried about Gallagher decline than I am with Anderson.

Age 28-32 is far from a bad situation. Keep trying

 

[Crown Royal]

Habs fans still think Anderson and his contract are a better value than Vilardi and his contract? Asking for a friend.

 

[McJedi]

Anderson and Dvorak don’t hold much trade value. Habs need to field a team and it makes sense to play these guys vs trade them for meager returns.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What was Marc Bergevin thinking giving josh Anderson $5,500,000 per to put up 24 and 32 points respectively in Montreal.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

Habs fans still think Anderson and his contract are a better value than Vilardi and his contract? Asking for a friend.

No, but I do believe that he's valued as such by some GMs around the league because he plays a "rugged physical game" as a "power forward who creates space for others" and the suchlike.

He's exactly the kind of player for whom "the right team" will overpay, and the Habs would be wise to move him now before his decline accelerates.

 

[jgimp]

No, but I do believe that he's valued as such by some GMs around the league because he plays a "rugged physical game" as a "power forward who creates space for others" and the suchlike.

He's exactly the kind of player for whom "the right team" will overpay, and the Habs would be wise to move him now before his decline accelerates.

No team that could use him has the cap space to take him. Retention would just increase the cost to acquire him (or to a third team) thereby costing that much more and negating any sort of positive value to the acquiring team as it just becomes too inherently expensive.
Montreal is stuck with Anderson for the foreseeable future.

 

[sbb11260]

Umm if anything is going to look better with cap going up. You’ll have to sign an equivalent player to 6M+ in 2 year

A lot of people in here acting as if vilardi is still a top prospect…

I know it’s early but he’s looked like a completely different player than last year. He’s easily the most noticeable guy (in a positive way) on the Kings from pre-season through the first four games.

Maybe he’s finally over that back injury or knowing he had to prove himself this year. He looks like he’s enjoying playing hockey for the first time in a couple of years. Cliche or not, he’s out there playing with a chip on his shoulder and he’s been rewarded with 16-17 minutes of ice time and playing on PP1.

So yeah at 23, I’d say he’s a top prospect.

 

[beowulf]

I got bad news for you if you think NHL players are in their prime at age 28.

No fan of Anderson but you really need to do some research and learn about the game. Prime scoring years for forwards in the NHL is 27-28 and for dmen it's 28-29 with prime playing years for forwards being 24-32 and for dmen 24-34. There is actually research and stats to back this up.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271172145_Estimating_the_effects_of_age_on_NHL_player_performance#:~:text=Our%20best%20estimate%20of%20the,and%2024%20to%2034%2C%20respectively.

 

[Satan]

No fan of Anderson but you really need to do some research and learn about the game. Prime scoring years for forwards in the NHL is 27-28 and for dmen it's 28-29 with prime playing years for forwards being 24-32 and for dmen 24-34. There is actually research and stats to back this up.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271172145_Estimating_the_effects_of_age_on_NHL_player_performance#:~:text=Our%20best%20estimate%20of%20the,and%2024%20to%2034%2C%20respectively.

You can't quote the abstract from a publication that was published in 2014 and tell me that I'm the one that needs to do my research lmfao

Here's some homework so you can get caught up:
2013 - Eric Tulsky (Now Assistant GM of the Hurricanes): broadstreethockey.com/2013/6/21/4452220/power-play-points-aging-curve-knuble
2017 - (EvolvingWild on Twitter): A New Look at Aging Curves for NHL Skaters (part 1)
2019 - Micah McCurdy (@HockeyViz on Twitter): https://hockeyviz.com/static/pdf/ritsac19.pdf
2019 - CJ Turtoro (@CJTDevil on Twitter): RPubs - Flexible NHL Aging Curves

 

[tkb81]

It's not a great contract but it's not a horrible one either. You can look at point totals if you wish. His value is far deeper than points in shortened or injury seasons and when he is bounced all over the line-up.

If MSL keeps him in a consistent spot and he stays healthy, you will see. There is a reason why many NHL GM's have called the Habs on Anderson. You're overlooking his value and context in what type of player he is, how rare they are to acquire, and also how he has not been in a consistent spot in the line-up.

so if he cant make it on a shitty team .. why would he be good on a good team?

 

[RickyLafleur]

It would be a mistake for LA to trade Vilardi straight up for Anderson.

 

[smirob]

I'm curious what other fans think Anderson should have been paid - personally as a Habs fan I don't think the contract is an albatross, I also don't think that trading him should be the priority unless the return is right. We have a lot coming off the cap next season and other priorities to trade.

I also don't think evaluating a player like Anderson based purely on points is looking at the whole picture.

 

[Mersss]

Anderson worth a 1st rounder?

Trust me, I wish he was. If he was, he'd be traded already. 100%.

He's worth a smaller cap dump (think 50% of his contract) and a 2nd/3rd.... maybe.


Yeah, his 9 points in 32 playoff games for Montreal in the playoffs really scares teams.

Just as fun as thinking Villardi is worth a 1st rd pick.
Guy can't skate and can't produce offensivelly...