Player Discussion Josh Anderson - The Rene Bourque Edition

[Heffyhoof]

I still don't know where to put Anderson though.

Because of his lack of skill, he takes away from a line's ability to make plays.

If he's so good, why is he not producing playing with Dvorak and Drouin?

Anderson is a complimentary player who adds a dynamic presence to a talented line. Hard for a power forward complimentary player to hit his 20/20 when playing with two other 40-50ish point players.

 

[26Mats]

Anderson is a complimentary player who adds a dynamic presence to a talented line. Hard for a power forward complimentary player to hit his 20/20 when playing with two other 40-50ish point players.

ok, but if you put him with a Patrice Bergeron and a Pasternk, he's going to take away from that line - because he doesn't have the skill to play with them.

I see him as a third liner. So he better produce playing with 3rd liners. 1st and 2nd liners need to play with other 1st and 2nd liners they can make plays with.

On our squad, I'm not sure Armia doesn't produce more than Anderson with Drouin. And, Caufield, Hoffman, Toffoli, and hopefully Gallagher are the top six wingers you want to get going.

So, I'd have whoever had the the best chemistry of Drouin, Armia, and Anderson on the 3rd line and whoever doesn't on the 4th line.

Hoffman Suzuki Gallagher
Toffoli Dvorak Caufield
Drouin Perreault Anderson/Armia
Lehkonen Brooks Anderson/Armia
Pacquette

 

[Heffyhoof]

ok, but if you put him with a Patrice Bergeron and a Pasternk, he's going to take away from that line - because he doesn't have the skill to play with them.

I see him as a third liner. So he better produce playing with 3rd liners. 1st and 2nd liners need to play with other 1st and 2nd liners they can make plays with.

I see him as a second liner, but I do agree he takes away from players with high end talent. He's a niche player that a proper management team could utilize well. Third line could definitely be his proper place though and that could just be us splitting hairs on criteria as for me he's the complimentary player on a second line, which could be defined as a third liner.

I guess I should add I do think he's overpaid, though without covid his salary might be slightly more palatable.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

ok, but if you put him with a Patrice Bergeron and a Pasternk, he's going to take away from that line - because he doesn't have the skill to play with them.

I see him as a third liner. So he better produce playing with 3rd liners. 1st and 2nd liners need to play with other 1st and 2nd liners they can make plays with.

As a third liner, he could copy what Gallagher was doing. Then someone could copy what Danault was doing and we can find another Tatar type of player who could improvise and use his natural skills. I sounds like I'm hook on the past, lol. But that was working for us not long time ago.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

He is what he is and he's a five o'clock train. I will score goals at the first 30 seconds of a game when the opposite D are not warm. He will score goals later in the season when fatigue will come and also when unexperimented D will have some shifts. He rush like a train and sometimes it works. There is no finesse and no high IQ in his game.

 

[Miller Time]

I see him as a second liner, but I do agree he takes away from players with high end talent. He's a niche player that a proper management team could utilize well. Third line could definitely be his proper place though and that could just be us splitting hairs on criteria as for me he's the complimentary player on a second line, which could be defined as a third liner.

I guess I should add I do think he's overpaid, though without covid his salary might be slightly more palatable.

he's now at 22g, 31pts in 81 games as a hab... very mediocre, if not downright terrible 2nd line production, even as a "complimentary" player.

shame he's not better defensively, otherwise he might have it in him to be an excellent bottom-6 player. As it is? The skating/hitting are fun to watch, but the lack of hockey sense and his excessive usage next to talented players undermine his utility. Frankly, wish they'd swap Armia & Anderson in their usage and deployment. Armia i think would contribute more in a complimentary role next to Suzuki or DVO than Anderson can provide.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

he's now at 22g, 31pts in 81 games as a hab... very mediocre, if not downright terrible 2nd line production, even as a "complimentary" player.

shame he's not better defensively, otherwise he might have it in him to be an excellent bottom-6 player. As it is? The skating/hitting are fun to watch, but the lack of hockey sense and his excessive usage next to talented players undermine his utility. Frankly, wish they'd swap Armia & Anderson in their usage and deployment. Armia i think would contribute more in a complimentary role next to Suzuki or DVO than Anderson can provide.

Agree until you mentioned Armia. Armia have all the necessary tools, he have the win in the corners, he have decent speed, decent size, decent skills and decent IQ. But he lacks passion and constancy. He can play 5 games in a row and his name is not prononced by the guy who describe the games. Imagine the player he would be if he had Gally's brain.

 

[Heffyhoof]

he's now at 22g, 31pts in 81 games as a hab... very mediocre, if not downright terrible 2nd line production, even as a "complimentary" player.

shame he's not better defensively, otherwise he might have it in him to be an excellent bottom-6 player. As it is? The skating/hitting are fun to watch, but the lack of hockey sense and his excessive usage next to talented players undermine his utility. Frankly, wish they'd swap Armia & Anderson in their usage and deployment. Armia i think would contribute more in a complimentary role next to Suzuki or DVO than Anderson can provide.

Last season he was 17g, 24 points in 52 games. His playoff production left more to be desired for sure and the horrid start to this season make the numbers look even worse. I'm not arguing he's a great player or anything, just that he's a complimentary player, I've used that word lots now, that with proper management of the team and better coaching would look a lot better. You don't sign a player like this for a contract that big or long without properly planning his place on the team, unless you're a clown.

 

[Willy6655]

he's now at 22g, 31pts in 81 games as a hab... very mediocre

That is pretty much his career average,

He was a mediocre player when we acquired him, and he is a mediocre player now,

Expecting anything more is simply not realistic,

He has only scored 20 goals once in his career,

He is a 15-20 goal player, will never be anything more,

 

[KevSkillz4]

I really think people underrated the impact of Andy.

 

[Wats]

I would try to trade him in a package for Girard once Toews comes back for Avs.

 

[beowulf]

I really think people underrated the impact of Andy.

Is his impact really worth $5.5M for another what is it 4-5 years?

 

[Tyson]

He shows flashes of being beast mode and then it goes missing for games upon games. He is a tease

 

[ahmedou]

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

Not a guy id necessarily actively shop but one you wouldnt hesistate to trade if a good offer came along.

His tools dont equal the production

 

[Redux91]

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Hope that poor guy knows hes balding

 

[Sorinth]

ok, but if you put him with a Patrice Bergeron and a Pasternk, he's going to take away from that line - because he doesn't have the skill to play with them.

I see him as a third liner. So he better produce playing with 3rd liners. 1st and 2nd liners need to play with other 1st and 2nd liners they can make plays with.

Does Tom Wilson take away from Ovechkin's line?

Yes in a perfect world we would be so overflowing with talented players that a guy like Anderson would be pushed down the lineup but we aren't and as inconsistent as Anderson is, he brings something that our other forwards can't. We are much better off giving Anderson top-6 minutes and trying to find some chemistry with the few good forwards we have then to give those minutes to players who bring more of the same.

 

[Habs13]

I think any team would want an Andersson type player, or three, because he might not be a game-breaker, but he does bring an intangible that not many players bring. Great skater, good work ethic and at times, a nasty, nasty hitter and physical beast. Wouldn't trade the guy, and consider him one of the very few players I would keep in a rebuild.

 

[JianYang]

he's now at 22g, 31pts in 81 games as a hab... very mediocre, if not downright terrible 2nd line production, even as a "complimentary" player.

shame he's not better defensively, otherwise he might have it in him to be an excellent bottom-6 player. As it is? The skating/hitting are fun to watch, but the lack of hockey sense and his excessive usage next to talented players undermine his utility. Frankly, wish they'd swap Armia & Anderson in their usage and deployment. Armia i think would contribute more in a complimentary role next to Suzuki or DVO than Anderson can provide.

If there was ever a clone of a current player to a player from the past, it's Josh Anderson and Erik Cole.

Both are/were a problem once they got the puck with a head of steam. You know what the plan is in both cases but it was difficult to prevent the drive from happening.

Both are/were notable liabilities defensively. Watching them try to chip the puck out of the defensive zone is an adventure to say the least.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

I think any team would want an Andersson type player, or three, because he might not be a game-breaker, but he does bring an intangible that not many players bring. Great skater, good work ethic and at times, a nasty, nasty hitter and physical beast. Wouldn't trade the guy, and consider him one of the very few players I would keep in a rebuild.

His hockey sense and defense is terrible which is why you cant have many of him

There is also a reason he has found ZERO chemistry with any linemate in two seasons with MTL

He has lot of raw physical tools but his lack of hockey sense limits him severely.

He is no Tom Wilson. One was 16th overall, one was 95th. There is a reason

 

[26Mats]

Does Tom Wilson take away from Ovechkin's line?

Yes in a perfect world we would be so overflowing with talented players that a guy like Anderson would be pushed down the lineup but we aren't and as inconsistent as Anderson is, he brings something that our other forwards can't. We are much better off giving Anderson top-6 minutes and trying to find some chemistry with the few good forwards we have then to give those minutes to players who bring more of the same.

I've liked what I've seen of Anderson so far this year. Maybe he's adding elements to his game. He is known to have outstanding work ethic and be a great teammate. He also has improved his fame a lot since he was drafted. There may be more room for growth.

I would say, let's first try to rebuild around an ovechkin type player and then see where Anderson fits. He's very low on the priority list when it comes to what to keep and what to move in a real, full rebuild, that I personally wouldn't prioritize his ice time, except if it would get his trade value up.

 

[Sorinth]

I've liked what I've seen of Anderson so far this year. Maybe he's adding elements to his game. He is known to have outstanding work ethic and be a great teammate. He also has improved his fame a lot since he was drafted. There may be more room for growth.

I would say, let's first try to rebuild around an ovechkin type player and then see where Anderson fits. He's very low on the priority list when it comes to what to keep and what to move in a real, full rebuild, that I personally wouldn't prioritize his ice time, except if it would get his trade value up.

I agree, he's neither a guy we should really try to keep nor is he a guy we should go out of our way to get rid of. So realistically due to his contract he'll be here for most of that contract.

I wouldn't exactly say we should prioritize his ice-time, but neither should we prioritize Hoffman, Toffoli, Drouin either. The priority should be what's best long term for Suzuki and Caufield, I can see a case for a more skilled guy to complement them, but I think I'd rather someone who is better at creating space (Caufield especially could use this), and will do better at defending them when they inevitably get targeted over someone who is better at completely the fancy plays. All else being equal stick with Anderson over Hoffman/Toffoli/Drouin because he'll be here longer.

 

[Dirby Kach]

I would try to trade him in a package for Girard once Toews comes back for Avs.

this would suck for my fantasy team having girard go down to .12 PPG

 

[Miller Time]

If there was ever a clone of a current player to a player from the past, it's Josh Anderson and Erik Cole.

Both are/were a problem once they got the puck with a head of steam. You know what the plan is in both cases but it was difficult to prevent the drive from happening.

Both are/were notable liabilities defensively. Watching them try to chip the puck out of the defensive zone is an adventure to say the least.

Though Cole had much better hockey sense and was a much more productive offensive player.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

Though Cole had much better hockey sense and was a much more productive offensive player.

Ya. Cole was just a much better all around player. Less physical imo, (might be remembering wrong tho) though i find Andersons physicality is almost as mythical as Shea Webers stare.

Cole was a better scorer, passer, better defensively, better along the boards.