Jonathan Huberdeau

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Huberdeau is overrated due to the fumbling defence and weak goalies of the Q. After watching some of his games, and Couturier's, it's really amazing. At least Couturier doesn't have a good team. When the Sea Dogs play against other Q teams it just looks ridiculous. I'm sure I could do a better job playing against them (exaggeration.)

Anyway, I can see him MAYBE going 5th, but I doubt it. Top 8 probably.

This is nonsense, of course. It is actually easier to score in the WHL than the Q. This isn't your Daddy's QMJHML. Not to mention there are a heck of lot more NHL top 30 scorers from the Q, than from the WHL. THere is nothing about the Q that will scare away teams from Huberdeau at the top of the draft.

I'm not dumping on the WHL at all, just pointing out how silly and uninformed your post is.
 
While not probable, it is most definitely possible. In particular with him still having a good amount of hockey left to play this post-season.

For those who haven't been following the draft for very long, it was a little over 10 years ago that Rick Dipietro went 1st overall, and at this point in the season, he wasn't even in the top 10, and on many lists on this board, not even in the top 20. Fast forward three months, and this board's collective jaw dropped as he goes 1st overall ahead of the clear top guys the whole year (Gaborik and Heatley). It only takes one team to shake things up completely.

Now factor in the fact Huberdeau is already close to the top, and the CHL playoffs and Memorial cup are ahead of us still, where Huberdeau will most certainly have the opportunity to show he is indeed the best player on the best team in the CHL, and yes, certain teams at the top may look at him differently. And some might already be considering him ahead of guys in the top 4.

And that is without even showing what he has done to date. He is younger than Couturier and RNH, and while Couturier put up a few more ppg, Huberdeau actually was better than RNH in ppg, in a league where scoring is lower. He also scored more goals per game than any of the top centers. Plus, he has a helluva lot more toughness than Couturier, Strome or RNH. The dude is a bigger version of Doug Gilmour (again, dating myself).

Now I probably wouldn't have the cajones to pick him 1st overall, but at the same time, it would not be a shock at all to see it happen. Those who think it will "never" happen are simply showing their youth, lack of memory or lack of recognition that the rankings are still very loose right now. Huberdeau and Strome or total spoilers for the top 4 right now, and either or both could land in the top quartet.
 
I'd say yes. But that's less than a 1% chance. I could see him rising to 3rd with a fantastic run in the playoffs.
 
This is nonsense, of course. It is actually easier to score in the WHL than the Q. This isn't your Daddy's QMJHML. Not to mention there are a heck of lot more NHL top 30 scorers from the Q, than from the WHL. THere is nothing about the Q that will scare away teams from Huberdeau at the top of the draft.

I'm not dumping on the WHL at all, just pointing out how silly and uninformed your post is.

"Silly and uninformed." You're going based purely off statistics. It's not easier to score in the WHL -- it just happens to have a better group of forwards playing there this season. I've watched my fair share of all three of the leagues this year (more OHL and Q than WHL) and I can tell you, with certainty, the lowest level of play is in the Q by far. This isn't your cousin's daughter's best-friend's Q. Yes, there are a lot of scorers in the NHL from the Q than the WHL but that's because the WHL is primarily, or has been, a defensive league. Not that that has anything to do with this -- my post is based on OBSERVATION not statistics or generalizations. If anything that post is pretty silly. I'm not saying that other teams will get scared off, either; I'm saying that he's getting overrated on here.

Put Zack Smith in against Timbit hockey players and he'll look like a fantastic player too. Now that's an exaggeration, but while Huberdeau is skilled he is not a top 5 prospect...
 
There are basically two things that need to happen for anyone outside of the "consensus" top 3 (insofar as there is such a thing) being selected in the top 3:

(1) A team picking in the top 3 must believe that the player is the best available (or, at least, best for that team) at that point in the draft.

(2) The team must believe there is a non-negligible chance that another team feels the same way.

This holds not just for the top 3, but for any draft position. This is roughly the explanation for why Calvin De Haan was selected 12th overall, even though he was ranked around 26th. Similarly for Josh Bailey at 9th overall, and a number of other players. The general point has nothing to do with the Islanders; however given that the Islanders may be selecting in the top 3 (depending on the lottery), and given their history of drafting in accordance with the above constraints, I think it's premature to say definitively that Huberdeau won't be selected top 3.
 
"Silly and uninformed." You're going based purely off statistics. It's not easier to score in the WHL -- it just happens to have a better group of forwards playing there this season. I've watched my fair share of all three of the leagues this year (more OHL and Q than WHL) and I can tell you, with certainty, the lowest level of play is in the Q by far. This isn't your cousin's daughter's best-friend's Q. Yes, there are a lot of scorers in the NHL from the Q than the WHL but that's because the WHL is primarily, or has been, a defensive league. Not that that has anything to do with this -- my post is based on OBSERVATION not statistics or generalizations. If anything that post is pretty silly. I'm not saying that other teams will get scared off, either; I'm saying that he's getting overrated on here.

I'm not basing it on statistics, the guy has game. Everyone thinks so. And I'm also basing "the possibility" on momentum, reality and what has actually happened before. The top 4 is not in stone, even when the playoffs are over. None of the teams have done their final draft lists yet, so there is still a whole lot of guessing going on. Their scouts won't even be in the same room together for another month or so to discuss who is better when comparing guys from all over the place.

And unlike you, I'm not professing I know what will happen. That's just it. You and I don't know jack, regarless of how we "feel" or how many games we have "seen".

And for someone who has inferred Strome could or should be #1 on the Sens board an endless number of times, you sure are defensive about someone else crashing the top 4 party. Kind of ridiculous for you to suggest Strome could, but Huberdeau never could because he plays in the Q. Huberdeau is right there with Strome, and I think both could crash the top 4 party. or drop to 8th. Who knows!

While his team has a lot of talent, the reality is that it is typically Huberdeau's linemates who are having their production discounted because they play with Huberdeau (Phillips and Jurco). He is definitely the straw that stirs the drink with that team, and their best player.

Put Zack Smith in against Timbit hockey players and he'll look like a fantastic player too. Now that's an exaggeration, but while Huberdeau is skilled he is not a top 5 prospect...

This is your opinion, which is fine. But your assertion that because you feel so strongly that Huberdeau can't go #1 and isn't a top 5 prospect, means he can't and isn't, is in fact, silly. Don't know how else to say it. Sorry if it hurts. Silly, silly, silly.

As to your powers of astute observation, they are worth about as much as you get paid to be a scout. We both know the answer to that one (hint, it rhymes with Hero).

Sorry, it is in fact "possible". Will it happen? Doubtful. But Huberdeau is definitely right in the mix. I know you get defensive over this stuff, but you had it coming. Just saying.
 
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I'm not going to go through the whole post because it screams "weenie," but

And for someone who has inferred Strome could or should be #1 on the Sens board an endless number of times, you sure are defensive about someone else crashing the top 4 party. Kind of ridiculous for you to suggest Strome could, but Huberdeau never could because he plays in the Q. Huberdeau is right there with Strome, and I think both could crash the top 4 party. or drop to 8th. Who knows!

I've never said that Strome could go first overall. There's a 0% chance that anyone other than Larsson/RNH/Landeskog/Couturier go 1st and their chances are in that order. A Sens insider said that some Sens scouts had Strome as high as 2nd overall, but I just reposted that. I think he has a great skillset and could turn out to be the best player from the draft, but he won't be taken in the top 4 IMO.

Anyway, it's not "silly" to point out that the level of play in the Q is pretty bad. It's just something I've observed. What is silly is to post silly about a hundred times in your post and act as though you're superior or something (newsflash, your opinion has about as much validity as the value you assigned to mine, rhymes with Fearow.)
 
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Anyway, it's not "silly" to point out that the level of play in the Q is pretty bad. It's just something I've observed. What is silly is to post silly about a hundred times in your post and act as though you're superior or something (newsflash, your opinion has about as much validity as the value you assigned to mine, rhymes with Fearow.)

Well, you seem to have a bias against the Q. Whatever. The reality is NHL teams don't have this bias when it comes to skilled forwards, as many players have gone high from the Q before and even 1st overall there, number of times. Not sure you realized, but they actually produce a number of NHLers, despite playing like "timbits" was it?

As to both of our abilities to predict the future or have our opinions become reality, on this we can agree. We both have no idea. Glad you finally agree with the point I was making all along. Was that so hard, really?
 
To inject some reality into the situation they played a pretty bad team and beat up on them like a good team should. Lets see if they make to the Memorial cup and he comes out the MVP then you can start making a case for number 1 overall
 
And why's that? Are you afraid the Isles select him?:shakehead
Can you do your homework about Huberdeau please? And you're the one who hope for Strome! Get a clue... BTW Huberdeau > Strome.

as a NYI fan I believe this Huberdeau may just be what the doc ordered for a budding John Tavares. Huberdeau has some amazing stick skills with eyes behind his head. Or the NYI take Strome at 5. either way get one of them Snow lol We can always get a butcher on D in rounds 2 and 3. A few tough western kids from the plains would not hurt later on too...(hamonic clones, easier said than done I know)
 
Couturiers team is ranked 10th in the CHL, pretty good if you ask me

Really? Where and who does rank these teams? I've heard Drummondville isn't very good this year, and their #4th place finish was thanks to Couturier and Palat. But I might be wrong..
 
Well, you seem to have a bias against the Q. Whatever. The reality is NHL teams don't have this bias when it comes to skilled forwards, as many players have gone high from the Q before and even 1st overall there, number of times. Not sure you realized, but they actually produce a number of NHLers, despite playing like "timbits" was it?

As to both of our abilities to predict the future or have our opinions become reality, on this we can agree. We both have no idea. Glad you finally agree with the point I was making all along. Was that so hard, really?

I can see the Timbits thing got you flustered. It's ok, as I said it was an exaggeration, but that went over your head.

I have no bias against the Q, and I even included Couturier in the possible players that could go 1st overall.
 
To inject some reality into the situation they played a pretty bad team and beat up on them like a good team should. Lets see if they make to the Memorial cup and he comes out the MVP then you can start making a case for number 1 overall

That point in itself answers the question. Is of course too early to be predicting it will happen. But that wasn't the question. Is it possible Huberdeau will be Memorial Cup MVP and Saint John wins it all? And if so, might he be considered 1st overall?

Remember the frame of the question. Is it Possible. As we've seen in past, there are often major changes at the top of the draft in the last few months, in particular before the CHL playoffs are over. Also given teams haven't even finalized their draft lists. This is the pure speculation point of the draft for most pundits, because even they don't have a clear feeling of rankings yet. Given Huberdeau has the benefit of playing on a great team, he'll get the chance to goose his ranking.

I don't think it's going to happen, but is there 1 chance in 10 he could go 1st overall? Probably something like that.
 
I can see the Timbits thing got you flustered. It's ok, as I said it was an exaggeration, but that went over your head.

I have no bias against the Q, and I even included Couturier in the possible players that could go 1st overall.

Hardly flustered. I'm just a bit more objective about the leagues and players, I guess. As more than a half dozen posters have pointed out to you on the Sens board every time you go over the top about something, sometimes you are bit a extreme and defensive. This discussion is no exception, and par for the course, really.
 
Hardly flustered. I'm just a bit more objective about the leagues and players, I guess. As more than a half dozen posters have pointed out to you on the Sens board every time you go over the top about something, sometimes you are bit a extreme and defensive. This discussion is no exception, and par for the course, really.

How am I being defensive in expressing my opinion? If anything you're being defensive calling my assessment of the Q 'silly' because I don't believe it has a high level of play from multiple viewings. Using a cross comparison of viewings from the WHL and OHL I can conclude that they have a higher level of play in general. How are you being more objective? It is still your opinion and by that very nature subjective.

I don't understand the 'over the top' thing either, but 'defending' my points when you get defensive about them is apparently...too defensive so I'll let it rest. I'm not the only one who feels the way I do (that Huberdeau benefits from being on a great team in a bad league.)
 
I'm not the only one who feels the way I do (that Huberdeau benefits from being on a great team in a bad league.)

That's my point. I actually think you are pretty much alone here (not that there is anything particularly wrong with that - you are entitled to your opinion, of course). But I subscribe to every scouting service out there and haven't read anything like this. Quite the contrary, in fact. I simply haven't read or seen any experts downplay Huberdeau because he plays in the Q. Again, your entitled to your opinion, but my issue is you are saying this is some known fact and that there are bunch of experts agreeing with you. I don't see it. If you have some sources or links, I'd love to read them actually (and I mean that sincerely).
 
Really? Where and who does rank these teams? I've heard Drummondville isn't very good this year, and their #4th place finish was thanks to Couturier and Palat. But I might be wrong..

no your not wrong. without Couturier and palat drumondville is not #4 team in the league and top10 in canada. Also thats why Couturier will be named qmjhl mvp tonight at the golden puck award
 
Sorry if you think I've been harsh or impolite?:dunno:... But can you answer the question? You seem to dislike Huberdeau for some unknown reason. That's the reason I invite you to make your homework regarding Huberdeau because I know you already state that you don't know anything about him. So what is the reason you want him selected top 3 and not be selected by the Isles??

Please don't phrase it like that.

In another thread, I politely wrote to the effect that I am not an expert or particularly informed about Huberdeau with respect to the attribtues that we Isle fans can - after Bailey, Tavares, de Haan, Niederreiter and Nelson - determine to play a big role in the decisionmaking of the 'Snow regime'. This was in conjunction with what I perceived were several posters not simply stating that they'd prefer to see the Islanders take him, but that they feel the Islanders WILL take him.

I.e. as if he'd be a typical Snow pick.

I feel that when trying to suss out what may be going through this staff's mind, that both Hamilton and Strome would be much more likely Snow picks if we're picking 5 or 6.

That is of course assuming that the expected top 4 also end up going top 4.

Now, as for Huberdeau, I've seen all the YouTube videos that everyone else has. He had a nice playoffs last year and has continued that momentum into this season and is doing very well thus far in these playoffs. The kid has snazzle, hands and a chip on his shoulder. I almost wonder if doesn't have a bit of that (uncontrollable) Kyle Beach-factor??? He seems to lose his temper pretty wildly and on-a-dime every now and then.

A lot of fans might really like that aspect.

As for my initial comment hoping that he'll go 3rd overall - it's simple. In addition to being very weary of high-end prospects who climb up the chart a good bit late in their draft year, I simply feel that the top 4 have been the top 4 for the bulk of the season for a reason that has gone unaltered. The sudden disinterest in Couturier is IMHO simply silly. He's done really nothing to be dropping. His skillset and his all-round game have not changed and they're both right on course to making a successful NHLer. Other players just seem to have possessed more pizazz in the past few months.

Going into this draft, I see Huberdeau as the biggest wildcard amongst the top 8. My hands-down fave as the best player available is Larsson. RNH and Strome are, to me, pretty much the exact same player, just one shoots left, the other right. Landeskog and Couturier seem like the surefire all-rounders who'll mean a lot to their franchises, even if they only settle into being 50 point guys with the odd 70+ season... and I certainly don't want to delimit their upside as just being that.

So if Huberdeau were to go third, then that means that an Isles team likely picking fifth would be in on one of the expected top 4 - who I feel are the better prospects than Huberdeau.

It has little to do with a perceived dislike for the boy.

As far as just chatting about prospects is concerned... I get the impression that several fellow Islander fans have become little more than Huberdeau fanboys. No need to call out or take pot shots at other posters who don't share the same enthusiasm.
 
That's my point. I actually think you are pretty much alone here (not that there is anything particularly wrong with that - you are entitled to your opinion, of course). But I subscribe to every scouting service out there and haven't read anything like this. Quite the contrary, in fact. I simply haven't read or seen any experts downplay Huberdeau because he plays in the Q. Again, your entitled to your opinion, but my issue is you are saying this is some known fact and that there are bunch of experts agreeing with you. I don't see it. If you have some sources or links, I'd love to read them actually (and I mean that sincerely).

When did I say there were experts that said this? I've heard 'experts' come out and say that they believed the Q is the weakest of the three, but that's not what I was referring to. I simply said that I'm not the only one who feels this way (as evidenced by the plethora of people that believe the Q is the weakest, and people that posted in this thread saying as much.)

Ultimately experts are not always right. That's why the draft doesn't always work or it would be easy to pick the best players and we'd never find gems. Potential isn't something that is easy to project especially since every player plays in a different system with different players against different players (even on the same team.)

I think, and many others think, that Huberdeau plays on the most stacked team in the weakest league. Does that mean he CAN'T be the best player out of this draft? No. It's literally impossible to project where a prospect will end up 5 years from his draft. However, all we can do is make educated guesses and based on his play, and the level of play around him, I'd say he's a step below guys like Landeskog/RNH/Couturier/Larsson/Strome/Hamilton/Murphy. But as you've pointed out -- I'm no expert and as we all know you have to be one to recognize a good player.
 
RNH is a better version of Huberdeau, no chance at #1. However, he is making people question their previous rankings.
 
I remember in 2007 Jakub Voracek had a good playoffs, and in fact had a better PPG than Patrick Kane. ISS even ranked him #1 at one point.

It didn't seem to affect where he actually got drafted though.
 

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