Player Discussion Jonathan Drouin - Part 5

[A55P2]

His wrist has never fully healed. He's been dealing with pain and limitations for a long time now.

I get that a lot of people don't like the way he plays and that's fine. But some of you guys needs to take a good look at how you talk about others. We're basically seeing the same type of comments as when he went away last year, the kinds of comments we mostly all agreed were very unhelpful.

It's possible he won't ever be a good player again. It's hard to be good when your main skills is dangling and you have a massive hand injury. That's no reason to falsely believe he fakes his injury. Dear god the amount of dumb stuff one can read...

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Send him and Weber’s contract to Arizona for FCs

 

[ReHabs]

His wrist has never fully healed. He's been dealing with pain and limitations for a long time now.

I get that a lot of people don't like the way he plays and that's fine. But some of you guys needs to take a good look at how you talk about others. We're basically seeing the same type of comments as when he went away last year, the kinds of comments we mostly all agreed were very unhelpful.

It's possible he won't ever be a good player again. It's hard to be good when your main skills is dangling and you have a massive hand injury. That's no reason to falsely believe he fakes his injury. Dear god the amount of dumb stuff one can read...

Hold on -- It was claimed that he left the NHL and totally went off the radar because of his "anxiety and sleeplessness". Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember any other excuse than that mentioned when he resurfaced toward the end of last summer.

The allegations of "Fan Bullying" were unjustified but also borne out of nowhere. Not once did Drouin, his agent, or the club claimed he suffered from the criticism he has received -- that was reckless speculation boiled up by the biggest crybabies in the media (Basu, etc).

>>That's no reason to falsely believe he fakes his injury.

Did anybody say that?

 

[Crusher117]

His wrist has never fully healed. He's been dealing with pain and limitations for a long time now.

I get that a lot of people don't like the way he plays and that's fine. But some of you guys needs to take a good look at how you talk about others. We're basically seeing the same type of comments as when he went away last year, the kinds of comments we mostly all agreed were very unhelpful.

It's possible he won't ever be a good player again. It's hard to be good when your main skills is dangling and you have a massive hand injury. That's no reason to falsely believe he fakes his injury. Dear god the amount of dumb stuff one can read...

People really need to take look in a mirror. So much hate being posted. You can share your disappointment in Drouin's career with the habs but there is no need to be so hateful. It's really sad to see that some people haven't learned anything from what happened last year.

 

[A55P2]

Hold on -- It was claimed that he left the NHL and totally went off the radar because of his "anxiety and sleeplessness". Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember any other excuse than that mentioned when he resurfaced toward the end of last summer.

The allegations of "Fan Bullying" were unjustified but also borne out of nowhere. Not once did Drouin, his agent, or the club claimed he suffered from the criticism he has received -- that was reckless speculation boiled up by the biggest crybabies in the media (Basu, etc).

>>That's no reason to falsely believe he fakes his injury.

Did anybody say that?

The allegations of fan bullying weren't the cause yes. But a lot of people thought it was due to that at the time and there was a massive and rigthful scolding of the haters. For a brief moment, people weren't so keen on being incredibly mean towards him and those that were were not well liked around here. I'm saying that things have turned around fast and that criticism is fine, but what we're seeing now is basically the same type of discourse we saw last year.

As for the faking of the injury, someone here claimed just a few posts ago that he was cleared to play previously and didn't play, which is true. But that doesn't mean he wasn't hurt. He must have known something was wrong with his wrist because he injuried it once again in two games. Claiming that he was purposely postponing his comeback for no "valid" reason is a huge stretch if you ask me.

 

[Crusher117]

Hold on -- It was claimed that he left the NHL and totally went off the radar because of his "anxiety and sleeplessness". Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember any other excuse than that mentioned when he resurfaced toward the end of last summer.

The allegations of "Fan Bullying" were unjustified but also borne out of nowhere. Not once did Drouin, his agent, or the club claimed he suffered from the criticism he has received -- that was reckless speculation boiled up by the biggest crybabies in the media (Basu, etc).

>>That's no reason to falsely believe he fakes his injury.

Did anybody say that?

We will never know all the details for why he took a step back last year. We will only get surface level information.
But his parents did get harassed by fans.

 

[ReHabs]

The allegations of fan bullying weren't the cause yes. But a lot of people thought it was due to that at the time and there was a massive and rigthful scolding of the haters. For a brief moment, people weren't so keen on being incredibly mean towards him and those that were were not well liked around here. I'm saying that things have turned around fast and that criticism is fine, but what we're seeing now is basically the same type of discourse we saw last year.

As for the faking of the injury, someone here claimed just a few posts ago that he was cleared to play previously and didn't play, which is true. But that doesn't mean he wasn't hurt. He must have known something was wrong with his wrist because he injuried it once again in two games. Claiming that he was purposely postponing his comeback for no "valid" reason is a huge stretch if you ask me.

Yes there was an unnecessary scolding of the fans, and in my opinion a really pathetic and crave abuse of "Mental Health Awareness", done in the name of a situation that was not at all about fan abuse or its impact on mental health. I'm glad we can agree on that much -- for a moment I thought you were going to dredge up that zombie once again!

Last August's PR campaign had Drouin spell out clearly that he was away from the team due to his sleeplessness and anxiety. I've previously stated what I think of that alibi/excuse but regardless, he was meant to be back in action this year and ready to roll. He got 20 points in 34 games this year, honestly not a bad haul, all things considered -- injury, Ducharme, tank team, etc. -- but if fans think otherwise and are fed up with him and his unreliability, I think you have to allow that to happen. What's the point of scolding fans who are clearly justified in being fed up with a player who has never once been worth his contract or his trade counterpart?

I didn't see anybody claim that he was cleared to play but refused to. That's an easily dismissed nonsense argument you shouldn't even waste your time with.

We will never know all the details for why he took a step back last year. We will only get surface level information.
But his parents did get harassed by fans.

He said it himself that he went away due to anxiety and sleeplessness. There were two curated interviews performed just before the current season started. If you don't believe Drouin at his own word, that's your business, but I can only operate with what I'm given.

It sucks his parents were harassed but that's not something that exclusively happened to Drouin -- wives, cousins, girlfriends, brothers, etc. of many professional athletes get harassed on social media too. It's pathetic and nobody should enable it.

 

[BLONG7]

The Drouin saga, is a sad one for everyone, but especially him. MB absolutely destroyed this guy by bringing him to Montreal.
It was very well documented, this kid had mental health issues as a teenager. He never did want to go to Halifax to play......there were big time issues then, and many years later, there still is.
The kid is crazy talented, but this is simply not enough at the highest level. As we all know, he just doesn't seem to know what to do in a game where he doesn't have the puck.
His lack of hockey IQ and lack of hustle when he doesn't have the puck lends itself to people taking shots at him...........it's harsh but that's pro sports guys.

He is basically been hiding now for the last 2-3 seasons every chance he gets.....injuries, yes, but bottom line is if he is not producing, he is not bringing anything else to the game.
Seems like a real nice guy, but............does not fit in the NHL.

 

[74 others]

He's a buy-out candidate.

I doubt that we will need cap space next season. We will need cap space the season after though (Caufield’s new contract) so I would be surprised if they buy him out.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

He's a stinky stinky boy , not tryna say we told you so but.......yeah we told all you so...dumb dumb bergy

 

[cphabs]

He will be easily spotted tonight..................he will be wearing his non contact jersey, again..............................I know, easy on him, it's only his fifth year here...

Will this be Sergachev’s 3 or 4th Stanley Cup?

 

[cphabs]

His wrist has never fully healed. He's been dealing with pain and limitations for a long time now.

I get that a lot of people don't like the way he plays and that's fine. But some of you guys needs to take a good look at how you talk about others. We're basically seeing the same type of comments as when he went away last year, the kinds of comments we mostly all agreed were very unhelpful.

It's possible he won't ever be a good player again. It's hard to be good when your main skills is dangling and you have a massive hand injury. That's no reason to falsely believe he fakes his injury. Dear god the amount of dumb stuff one can read...

Maybe we try him at center again

 

[Naslundforever]

People really need to take look in a mirror. So much hate being posted. You can share your disappointment in Drouin's career with the habs but there is no need to be so hateful. It's really sad to see that some people haven't learned anything from what happened last year.

I doubt anyone cares to hurt the guy personnally. In « hockey talk » this is all extremely tame in my opinion and hf is as moderated a forum as it gets on the internet. « Has no heart » « should take his money and run » « was a fiasco »… I mean we are talking about the sport where 20k fans will instantly rise and collectively scream « awaye tue-lé!!! » on a guy for losing an edge and bumping the goalie.

Also I don’t see people kicking a stray cat here… The guy is rich and young; and seriously - playing for the habs or not in no way makes him a better or lesser person. What a silly measure that would be, we can put away the violins I think.

Good on you to talk and remind about empathy; this is just not a cryer for most I feel.

And obviously I wish him a speedy recovery.

 

[cphabs]

I doubt anyone cares to hurt the guy personnally. In « hockey talk » this is all extremely tame in my opinion and hf is as moderated a forum as it gets on the internet. « Has no heart » « should take his money and run » « was a fiasco »… I mean we are talking about the sport where 20k fans will instantly rise and collectively scream « awaye tue-lé!!! » on a guy for losing an edge and bumping the goalie.

Also I don’t see people kicking a stray cat here… The guy is rich and young; and seriously - playing for the habs or not in no way makes him a better or lesser person. What a silly measure that would be, we can put away the violins I think.

Good on you to talk and remind about empathy; this is just not a cryer for most I feel.

And obviously I wish him a speedy recovery.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous posts, I have had the misfortune of reading, about Drouin.

 

[Naslundforever]

This has to be one of the most ridiculous posts, I have had the misfortune of reading, about Drouin.

Not really a post about Drouin, just underligning the cognitive dissonance between all the drama and what sport we are watching. Garanteed contracts in a blood sport. Guys get hurt.

 

[GrandBison]

No need to play if his wrist is not 100%.

 

[cphabs]

Not really a post about Drouin, just underligning the cognitive dissonance between all the drama and what sport we are watching. Garanteed contracts in a blood sport. Guys get hurt.

Apparently, the “cognitive dissonance” of being an offensive minded player, while playing under an extremely defensive system? Has been removed with our new front office. Drouin has always been allowed to basically do whatever the f*** he wants on our team. Other offensive minded players are eating this new philosophy up. Drouin? Maybe some rational emotive therapy will work, while focusing on the fact that he was traded for based on his nationality not ability…

 

[PavelBrendl]

Not really a post about Drouin, just underligning the cognitive dissonance between all the drama and what sport we are watching. Garanteed contracts in a blood sport. Guys get hurt.

There's no cognitive dissonance in addressing problems or criticizing things that you find unsatisfactory in something you enjoy.

It's like having an old friend who does or says a lot of stupid shit. You can either apologize to everyone else, saying, "oh, he doesn't mean anything by it, it's just the way he is", or you can tell him when he's being an ass and hope he sees the criticism for what it is, rather than an affront to his ego.

That's how things get better.

We can all love the game while at the same time acknowledge that the culture is still in dark ages.

 

[Naslundforever]

There's no cognitive dissonance in addressing problems or criticizing things that you find unsatisfactory in something you enjoy.

It's like having an old friend who does or says a lot of stupid shit. You can either apologize to everyone else, saying, "oh, he doesn't mean anything by it, it's just the way he is", or you can tell him when he's being an ass and hope he sees the criticism for what it is, rather than an affront to his ego.

That's how things get better.

I mean I did say good on (poster) for showing empathy and for sticking to good values. I feel they are setting themselves up to be really busy; hockey+internet+underperforming millionaires will generate lots of comments they won’t like.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Time to move on, it's was a disaster since the trade... I wish him a speedy recovery and good luck with his future new team.

 

[A55P2]

No need to play if his wrist is not 100%.

Now they're really not at a 100% though. Renaud Lavoie mentionned severes tendons, so that's probably the worst case scenario.

 

[HuGort]

Just be glad when Drouin is gone. Hopefully we can use his caphit to acquire a good player. That way we get something for Sergechev. Drouin been biggest mistake this side of Scott Gomez.

 

[cphabs]

There's no cognitive dissonance in addressing problems or criticizing things that you find unsatisfactory in something you enjoy.

It's like having an old friend who does or says a lot of stupid shit. You can either apologize to everyone else, saying, "oh, he doesn't mean anything by it, it's just the way he is", or you can tell him when he's being an ass and hope he sees the criticism for what it is, rather than an affront to his ego.

That's how things get better.

We can all love the game while at the same time acknowledge that the culture is still in dark ages.

So a “culture”, and it’s norms, that are based in reality need fixing? Lmfao! What do you think about mathematics? Even physics! This is great and I thank you!

 

[Habs Halifax]

His wrist has never fully healed. He's been dealing with pain and limitations for a long time now.

I get that a lot of people don't like the way he plays and that's fine. But some of you guys needs to take a good look at how you talk about others. We're basically seeing the same type of comments as when he went away last year, the kinds of comments we mostly all agreed were very unhelpful.

It's possible he won't ever be a good player again. It's hard to be good when your main skills is dangling and you have a massive hand injury. That's no reason to falsely believe he fakes his injury. Dear god the amount of dumb stuff one can read...

Some fans can't resist to beat someone when they are down. It was a bad trade so that should be taken out of Bergevin, not Drouin. He just don't have what it takes to be a competitor and he doesn't put up as much production as he should. Sad but it is what it is. Hopefully he can get surgery and get back to 100%. Drouin's vision is solid but everyone knows he don't shoot the puck and looks for pass 1st far to often.

Best hope we got is he has a good season and we get a 2nd rounder for him at the 23 deadline. Laugh at the 2nd rounder all you want. If Kulak can get a 2nd, so can Drouin but he needs to have a solid season next year. Imagine the conversations if he has a great season in a contract year and there is another 1st rounder narrative? I can only imagine the comments.

But imagine the comments if you said this at the beginning of the season: Words like "you are ridiculous if you think we will get that", would be said.
* Chiarot gets a 1st and B prospect
* Lehkonen gets Barron and a 2nd
* Kulak gets a 2nd

 

[GrandBison]

Just be glad when Drouin is gone. Hopefully we can use his caphit to acquire a good player. That way we get something for Sergechev. Drouin been biggest mistake this side of Scott Gomez.

If Drouin stays in Tampa, he's a 70 pts winger playing with Stamkos