Player Discussion Jonathan Drouin - Part 5

[LyricalLyricist]

If his wrists keep getting hurt he’s toast. No dangle, no shot. He’s already been shooting so much less frequently over the years.

 

[cphabs]

If Drouin stays in Tampa, he's a 70 pts winger playing with Stamkos

Why did one of the greatest players, and hockey minds, trade him? Hmm…
Makes you think. Doesn’t it. In any case? Sergachev will finish his career with no less than 2 Stanley Cups while Drouin needs therapy to play.

 

[GrandBison]

Why did one of the greatest players, and hockey minds, trade him? Hmm…
Makes you think. Doesn’t it. In any case? Sergachev will finish his career with no less than 2 Stanley Cups while Drouin needs therapy to play.

Sergachev was still a project at the time of the trade. If anything, the problem was to trade potential top 2 D for an offensive winger having no center to play him with and finally, play him at center. Player for player, at the time of the trade, it was ok. But it was foul ball strategically.

 

[cphabs]

Sergachev was still a project at the time of the trade. If anything, the problem was to trade potential top 2 D for an offensive winger having no center to play him with and finally, play him at center. Player for player, at the time of the trade, it was ok. But it was foul ball strategically.

You didn’t answer my questions…

 

[GrandBison]

You didn’t answer my questions…

He traded him cause he wanted Sergachev and had enough offensive assets on his team to part with a guy that wanted out at some point...

 

[cphabs]

He traded him cause he wanted Sergachev and had enough offensive assets on his team to part with a guy that wanted out at some point...

Thanks

 

[BehindTheTimes]

His wrist has never fully healed. He's been dealing with pain and limitations for a long time now.

I get that a lot of people don't like the way he plays and that's fine. But some of you guys needs to take a good look at how you talk about others. We're basically seeing the same type of comments as when he went away last year, the kinds of comments we mostly all agreed were very unhelpful.

It's possible he won't ever be a good player again. It's hard to be good when your main skills is dangling and you have a massive hand injury. That's no reason to falsely believe he fakes his injury. Dear god the amount of dumb stuff one can read...

Agreed, I also don’t think there is any interest is buying him out. Hughes will get the team compliant without doing this.

 

[cphabs]

Some fans can't resist to beat someone when they are down. It was a bad trade so that should be taken out of Bergevin, not Drouin. He just don't have what it takes to be a competitor and he doesn't put up as much production as he should. Sad but it is what it is. Hopefully he can get surgery and get back to 100%. Drouin's vision is solid but everyone knows he don't shoot the puck and looks for pass 1st far to often.

Best hope we got is he has a good season and we get a 2nd rounder for him at the 23 deadline. Laugh at the 2nd rounder all you want. If Kulak can get a 2nd, so can Drouin but he needs to have a solid season next year. Imagine the conversations if he has a great season in a contract year and there is another 1st rounder narrative? I can only imagine the comments.

But imagine the comments if you said this at the beginning of the season: Words like "you are ridiculous if you think we will get that", would be said.
* Chiarot gets a 1st and B prospect
* Lehkonen gets Barron and a 2nd
* Kulak gets a 2nd

This isn’t the beginning of the season… I think it’s year 5 with Drouin’s stellar play in 2 different positions no less.

 

[lamp9post]

Agreed, I also don’t think there is any interest is buying him out. Hughes will get the team compliant without doing this.

It would save us $3.7M in cap space next season.

You have to at least consider the opportunity cost of keeping Drouin vs other uses of a roster spot +$3.7M in space.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

It would save us $3.7M in cap space next season.

You have to at least consider the opportunity cost of keeping Drouin vs other uses of a roster spot +$3.7M in space.

I don’t think it’s even being considered, but who knows.

 

[ottawa]

His wrist has never fully healed. He's been dealing with pain and limitations for a long time now.

I get that a lot of people don't like the way he plays and that's fine. But some of you guys needs to take a good look at how you talk about others. We're basically seeing the same type of comments as when he went away last year, the kinds of comments we mostly all agreed were very unhelpful.

It's possible he won't ever be a good player again. It's hard to be good when your main skills is dangling and you have a massive hand injury. That's no reason to falsely believe he fakes his injury. Dear god the amount of dumb stuff one can read...

No one is telling him to go kill himself...he's not a good hockey player and we're strictly discussing JD the hockey player and not the person outside of hockey. This is a hockey forum after all.

I'd take a serious look at the opportunity cost of buying him out vs retaining half and trading if someone wants to take him on as a project.

 

[GrandBison]

It would save us $3.7M in cap space next season.

You have to at least consider the opportunity cost of keeping Drouin vs other uses of a roster spot +$3.7M in space.

If you retain 2M on his salary, a team like Colorado could probably use him as secondary offensive player next year...

 

[cphabs]

If you retain 2M on his salary, a team like Colorado could probably use him as secondary offensive player next year...

Lmfao

 

[Price is Wright]

Why did one of the greatest players, and hockey minds, trade him? Hmm…
Makes you think. Doesn’t it. In any case? Sergachev will finish his career with no less than 2 Stanley Cups while Drouin needs therapy to play.

Great GM's trade great players all the time. They are not infallible.

The difference is the return and the context. Tampa was heading into a cap crunch and Drouin was losing his spot. Montreal gave up a highly touted young defensive prospect for Drouin. So despite Tampa being in a crunch, it was Montreal looking desperate, even including a conditional 2nd round pick if terms were met.

 

[FormerLurker]

I don’t think it’s even being considered, but who knows.

Agreed. There is one year left on his contract and we're not competing next year. If we buy him out it will impact the 2023-24 cap, plus we'll have to replace his ~40 points next year anyway. It just doesn't make sense.

Hughes said this during the fan Q&A last week:

We've got players that are going to play on our team next year, there's no question about it. Whether they're still part of the team by the time we're ready to compete for a Stanley Cup, you know, probably not, timelines are timelines."​

I expect that Drouin is one of the players he was referring to. Gallagher, Byron, Armia, and Savard too probably. I expect Petry to be moved in the offseason and Weber's contract to be moved, and maybe sign one or two stop-gap UFAs, but no other significant roster moves, unless he's able to acquire a youngish core player in a trade for futures. Drouin and Byron will be moved at next year's trade deadline.

 

[cphabs]

Great GM's trade great players all the time. They are not infallible.

The difference is the return and the context. Tampa was heading into a cap crunch and Drouin was losing his spot. Montreal gave up a highly touted young defensive prospect for Drouin. So despite Tampa being in a crunch, it was Montreal looking desperate, even including a conditional 2nd round pick if terms were met.

“Great GM's trade great players all the time. They are not infallible”
Just to clarify… this exchange is about the Sergachev trade that landed Drouin.
You’re suggesting that MB was a great GM while being “infallible” like the rest of the NHL GM’s. Lmfao!

 

[Price is Wright]

“Great GM's trade great players all the time. They are not infallible”
Just to clarify… this exchange is about the Sergachev trade that landed Drouin.
You’re suggesting that MB was a great GM while being “infallible” like the rest of the NHL GM’s. Lmfao!

I know. I was inferring to Steve Yzerman. The idea that any player traded by a great GM away from their team must suck is dumb. He didn't trade a bad player. He just traded a player that didn't work in Tampa anymore and got maximum value for him.

 

[cphabs]

I know. I was inferring to Steve Yzerman. The idea that any player traded by a great GM away from their team must suck is dumb. He didn't trade a bad player. He just traded a player that didn't work in Tampa anymore and got maximum value for him.

He wasn’t working in Tampa… But we tried him at center? LMFAO!

 

[lamp9post]

Agreed. There is one year left on his contract and we're not competing next year. If we buy him out it will impact the 2023-24 cap, plus we'll have to replace his ~40 points next year anyway. It just doesn't make sense.

Hughes said this during the fan Q&A last week:

We've got players that are going to play on our team next year, there's no question about it. Whether they're still part of the team by the time we're ready to compete for a Stanley Cup, you know, probably not, timelines are timelines."​

I expect that Drouin is one of the players he was referring to. Gallagher, Byron, Armia, and Savard too probably. I expect Petry to be moved in the offseason and Weber's contract to be moved, and maybe sign one or two stop-gap UFAs, but no other significant roster moves, unless he's able to acquire a youngish core player in a trade for futures. Drouin and Byron will be moved at next year's trade deadline.

The cap impact in '23-24 will be manageable. Next year is shaping up to be another rebuilding year so we don't need to worry about replacing his ~40 points and can be more creative in how they deploy the roster spot or the $3.7M in cap space the buyout opens up. If there aren't any interesting alternatives then yeah, keeping Drouin for the final year of his contract is fine. Point is, you have at least consider the options.

 

[rahad]

Lavois reporting he's out for the rest of the year, needs another operation on his wrist.

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Yeah poor little Joe. Making 5.5m while only playing 30 to 40 games a season. Will not be surprise to see a picture of him and Weber on a beach by next month.

He always play great the first 25 games. Before going back to the good old way. HuGo should try to trade him after 15-20 games. Don't want him to get injure by next year trade deadline.

 

[rahad]

Well this complicates things. You can't buy out injured players. However, buyout period doesn't start til 2 weeks after Stanley Cup Finals end, which is end of June/early July. So 3 months.

Maybe enough time to heal? Don't see Montreal putting him on LTIR at all. He'll stay on IR.

You have to think Drouin would be open to a buy-out. He gets two-thirds of his pay & becomes a UFA and can sign in Arizona or Anaheim, or wherever there's no media.

Anyways, this wrist issue has been longstanding for the last 3 years. Maybe he's done.

They won't buy out his contract. Molson still has to pay for Bergevin and Ducharme contract. He also have to may for a new DG and President. He also need to negotiate a new and bigger contract for MLS (coach).

 

[BLONG7]

Sergachev was still a project at the time of the trade. If anything, the problem was to trade potential top 2 D for an offensive winger having no center to play him with and finally, play him at center. Player for player, at the time of the trade, it was ok. But it was foul ball strategically.

Sergachev was a project 5 years ago...................and Drouin is a project after 8 years of being in the league............this was such a bad trade on so many levels.
It gets worse every day.....god forbid anyone actually admits this, and we get called haters, absolute nonsense....
He had such a great chance to be a hero in Montreal, and instead became a zero.

 

[MXD]

There is zero point in buying Drouin out. We dont really need cap room next season, but we do for 23-24. And buying him out actually adds to the cap in 23-24.

Also I dont think it's possible to buy out and injured player.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Pretty classless by Nilan here:

 

[The Gr8 Dane]