Jonathan Bernier - Player Discussion 2016

[Le Cobra]

LOL yes. That's not confidence, it's irrational over confidence.

i'm a leaf fan. comes with the territory

(im the same dude that started the 'leafs will make da playoffz' thread)

And dont look now, but Reimer is on pace to finish the season as #3 on the leafs all time list of most saves by a leaf netminder.

Bernier isnt doing bad either, they are both pretty high in the save percentage categories. Though im not sure how much of that is affected by the modern age of goalie equipment and there being no Gretzky lol.

Reimer is one win away from 10th spot in all time wins by a leaf goalie.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/TOR/leaders_career.html

 

[zeke]

he can't.

I mean Potvin - Cat
Cujo - Dog
Belfour - Bird


Reimer can't belong he's not an animal

April begs to differ.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

i'm a leaf fan. comes with the territory

(im the same dude that started the 'leafs will make da playoffz' thread)

And dont look now, but Reimer is on pace to finish the season as #3 on the leafs all time list of most saves by a leaf netminder.

Bernier isnt doing bad either, they are both pretty high in the save percentage categories. Though im not sure how much of that is affected by the modern age of goalie equipment and there being no Gretzky lol.

Reimer is one win away from 10th spot in all time wins by a leaf goalie.

oh of course. that changes every thing.

andrew raycorft holds the record for the most wins in a season by any leafs goalie at 37 wins. is he also a leafs legend that belongs in the group of Potvin, Cujo and Belfour?

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

he can't.

I mean Potvin - Cat
Cujo - Dog
Belfour - Bird


Reimer can't belong he's not an animal

bernier is a lion... does that mean he belongs?

 

[Le Cobra]

lol...i suppose a legacy of a leafs goalie is determined by # of times they lead the team to a playoffs berth.

Potvin - 4
Cujo - 4
Belfour - 2
Reimer - 1

 

[saltming]

April begs to differ.

I thought optimus was an autobot?

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

lol...i suppose a legacy of a leafs goalie is determined by # of times they lead the team to a playoffs berth.

Potvin - 4
Cujo - 4
Belfour - 2
Reimer - 1

nice.

i'm just having some fun with ya. i get it you're a reimer fan, but lets keep the expectations real.

 

[marquee]

lol...i suppose a legacy of a leafs goalie is determined by # of times they lead the team to a playoffs berth.

Potvin - 4
Cujo - 4
Belfour - 2
Reimer - 1

In a lockout year. Even emery had a good season than.

 

[marquee]

Daisy - ive been watching Reimer since he made his NHL debut and Bernier since he joined the Leafs. What i have seen so far is that Bernier has shown spectacular ability to make great saves, anywhere else, he would be a fine starter. In TORONTO, everybody especially the goalies are under a microscope, so his weaknesses will be magnified to death.

I believe Bernier is a capable starter, however, the times he has given up bad goals have been in his favour. Reimer on the other hand, has shown his character throughout his time here, in the highs (ending the leafs 9 year playoff drought) and especially during the lows (being pulled too early, the team collapsing last season, to being relegated to back up).

Im a goaltender too. We are a rare breed. Being a successful goalie on the Leafs is like being the top 1%. I can count on my one hand how many great goalies we have had in the last 30 years. POTVIN. CUJO. BELFOUR. I can confidently say that Reimer is the 4th. There's no need to look for an "elite" goaltender. Reimer is leading the NHL in save percentage. He played the Stars twice.

Wow lol

 

[Paradoc]

Kind of knew that Bernier would do bad against San Jose even though none of the goals were his fault. Its why I expected a .915 sv % from him, because there is no way you can sustain a high sv % with the talent of roster in front of him no matter how good Babcock is.

 

[hfman]

WHERE THE BERNIE HATERS AT

WOOT WOOT

WHERE THE BERNIE HA-

oh wait

...I think I hear them coming

 

[Gary Nylund]

where the bernie haters at

woot woot

where the bernie ha-

oh wait

...i think i hear them coming

lol.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Anyone who Blames Bernier at all tonight (on the 4 goals so far) should get a lifetime ban from the boards.

 

[TMLegend]

Anyone who Blames Bernier at all tonight (on the 4 goals so far) should get a lifetime ban from the boards.

I'm staying far, far away from this thread tonight. #TeamReimer be frothing at the mouth.

 

[eddieO]

I'm staying far, far away from this thread tonight. #TeamReimer be frothing at the mouth.

No reason to be. Nobody can use this game as an indictment on our goaltending.

 

[Judas Tavares]

I'm staying far, far away from this thread tonight. #TeamReimer be frothing at the mouth.

After my post it got kinda rough. Goals were a little weaker but still not awful. Maybe one was truly bad. In the end no one looks good giving up a touchdown. But I stand by up to the 4th little could be said.

 

[eddieO]

After my post it got kinda rough. Goals were a little weaker but still not awful. Maybe one was truly bad. In the end no one looks good giving up a touchdown. But I stand by up to the 4th little could be said.

So no lifetime ban?

 

[Al14]

I thought optimus was an autobot?

And, sometimes, he's just and autoPot!

 

[happyaccident]

Kind of knew that Bernier would do bad against San Jose even though none of the goals were his fault. Its why I expected a .915 sv % from him, because there is no way you can sustain a high sv % with the talent of roster in front of him no matter how good Babcock is.

But wait. Reimer let in one goal vs Boston, a Chara slap shot from the dot and some on here were all over him.
The goaltending discussions on this forum are a cluster*uck, maybe we'll know better what we have when we put a team in front of them.

 

[hfman]

Reimer is one win away from 10th spot in all time wins by a leaf goalie.

man. the bar must be really low if Raycroft holds the record and Reimer is making noise in all-time wins by Leaf goalies

 

[MikeBabchuk]

I'm very happy that Bernier gets this chance to restore his name a bit, but it doesn't really change my opinion on what we should do with him. Consistency is key for any goaltender you want to keep around long-term, we can't have a goaltender who might implode if things go wrong. Might as well save the cap space in that case.

Very prophetic. Yes, the team did not show up at all tonight, but once Bernier allowed the 4th goal, he totally fell apart too and it turned into another game where he lost control.

 

[MikeBabchuk]

Kind of knew that Bernier would do bad against San Jose even though none of the goals were his fault. Its why I expected a .915 sv % from him, because there is no way you can sustain a high sv % with the talent of roster in front of him no matter how good Babcock is.

Is this for real?

No one is hanging the loss on him; the team didn't show up. But good God, re-watch goals 4, 5, 6, 7 and tell me you don't see a couple terrible rebounds and a total loss of focus.

These games where Bernier totally crumbles happen too often, regardless of the piss poor team play in front of him tonight.

Blame Babs' system all you like, but the bottom line is if Bernier can't sustain a .915 save percentage, that indicates that he is a below average goalie. If Reimer can do it, Bernier should be able to as well, no?

 

[eddieO]

Is this for real?

No one is hanging the loss on him; the team didn't show up. But good God, re-watch goals 4, 5, 6, 7 and tell me you don't see a couple terrible rebounds and a total loss of focus.

These games where Bernier totally crumbles happen too often, regardless of the piss poor team play in front of him tonight.

Blame Babs' system all you like, but the bottom line is if Bernier can't sustain a .915 save percentage, that indicates that he is a below average goalie. If Reimer can do it, Bernier should be able to as well, no?

No Reimer plays behind a better team so it doesn't apply to him!

If Reimer can't sustain a great SV PCT it's because he sucks. If Bernier can't sustain it, it's because the team sucks.

It's the same story over and over again. There's no consistency in the defense of Bernier, when he comes back from injury he was rushed. When Reimer is playing though injury, it's just Reimer playing poorly.

The fact is Babcock seems to be fair with chances. I thought Bernier should have started tonight. He seems to play him against the weaker teams and he was coming off a shutout.

It's Reimer's team. I think you'll see Bernier play back to backs but he'll settle into the backup role.

 

[TMLegend]

No Reimer plays behind a better team so it doesn't apply to him!

If Reimer can't sustain a great SV PCT it's because he sucks. If Bernier can't sustain it, it's because the team sucks.

It's the same story over and over again. There's no consistency in the defense of Bernier, when he comes back from injury he was rushed. When Reimer is playing though injury, it's just Reimer playing poorly.

The fact is Babcock seems to be fair with chances. I thought Bernier should have started tonight. He seems to play him against the weaker teams and he was coming off a shutout.

It's Reimer's team. I think you'll see Bernier play back to backs but he'll settle into the backup role.

Can't be your team if you only have four months left with the franchise.

 

[MikeBabchuk]

No Reimer plays behind a better team so it doesn't apply to him!

If Reimer can't sustain a great SV PCT it's because he sucks. If Bernier can't sustain it, it's because the team sucks.

It's the same story over and over again. There's no consistency in the defense of Bernier, when he comes back from injury he was rushed. When Reimer is playing though injury, it's just Reimer playing poorly.

The fact is Babcock seems to be fair with chances. I thought Bernier should have started tonight. He seems to play him against the weaker teams and he was coming off a shutout.

It's Reimer's team. I think you'll see Bernier play back to backs but he'll settle into the backup role.

Yes indeed.

Bernier deserved the start tonight for sure, and it's unfortunate that the team didn't show up. But that doesn't mean we can't examine Bernier's game and note where things went wrong for him personally, just as we do for everyone else.