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John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

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Hollywood Cannon said:
Wait.

Briere wasn’t even there to “pass notes to” AND he’s sitting somewhere random?!?!

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he was off in a bathroom. or the bar.. just not ice level, hahaha..

10/10 coaching right there..

Rich Nixon said:
would be totally sick if Briere had a couple conversations with Torts and went "yeah, nah, you're not the guy for this" and just shuffled him out. if that happened, I'd have the confidence to believe he was his own man and willing to take the franchise in a new direction.

won't happen though.
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ill give you credit for dreaming up such a fantasy..

0.0% Briere is that wise..
 
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Rich Nixon said:
String me up for this but...I really like what I've seen from a handful of recent forward picks. I think Brink and Foerster are real-deal top 6 NHL players in the making. Gauthier, I still take Jiricek instead...but he's got a whole lotta sauce in those meaty loins, I think that's Jeff Carter 2.0.

So if that's Flahr's handywork, I can stomach that and see what he does when he has more picks in the first couple rounds and some better direction. They need to do better drafting defenders, badly. Ultimately, it's on Briere to set those priorities and acquire/keep the draft picks they need to stock the cupboard.
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Drafting players has never been the problem, the problem is once the team gets their hands on them and ruins them in their quest to make big strong fat grinders. And that's so very much Flahr's thing.
 
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Rich Nixon said:
String me up for this but...I really like what I've seen from a handful of recent forward picks. I think Brink and Foerster are real-deal top 6 NHL players in the making. Gauthier, I still take Jiricek instead...but he's got a whole lotta sauce in those meaty loins, I think that's Jeff Carter 2.0.

So if that's Flahr's handywork, I can stomach that and see what he does when he has more picks in the first couple rounds and some better direction. They need to do better drafting defenders, badly. Ultimately, it's on Briere to set those priorities and acquire/keep the draft picks they need to stock the cupboard.
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But listen to how Flahr has described Foerster, for example. Since 2020, I haven't heard in any real detail Flahr describe his actual strengths. It's all about size and shooting. They selected him because of his size and his shot, and got lucky that he's a complete offensively mature player.

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And I don't think they take Brink without Fletcher's connection to the Brink family, either.
 
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VladDrag said:
They selected him because of his size and his shot, and got lucky that he's a complete offensively mature player.
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This! It was really weird hearing him describe Foerster over the past few years. Size and shooting were all that was touched on. His ability to make plays in tight has always been his greatest strength IMO. The skating was the only real concern I’ve had with how his game would translate to the NHL. He has a complete offensive toolkit. Great, great passer. Smart. Anticipates we’ll, etc.
 
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If TyFoe pans out, the Flyers will have done pretty well with forwards drafted between 20-something overall outside of Rubtsov.

2012 - Laughton #20
2015 - Konecny #24
2016 - Rubtsov #22
2017 - Frost #27
2020 - Foertser #23
 
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VladDrag said:
But listen to how Flahr has described Foerster, for example. Since 2020, I haven't heard in any real detail Flahr describe his actual strengths. It's all about size and shooting. They selected him because of his size and his shot, and got lucky that he's a complete offensively mature player.

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And I don't think they take Brink without Fletcher's connection to the Brink family, either.
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Right. Because Brink was considered too small and too slow, probably a 3rd rd pick if the Flyers don't take him.
Leading the NCAA in scoring at 20 years old was obviously a fluke.
 
If it’s not abundantly clear already: the Flyers didn’t avoid smaller players entirely. They simply operated on a quota system. When they drafted a few smaller guys, they suddenly went 6’4 and lumbering with their fit picks, which all turned out marvelously. They’ve openly admitted to drafting for fit, and not just in the 7th round. It’s what mediocre drafters do.

I do wonder what their internal line is, however. Since they had 5’8 Brink, was Tuomaala at 5’10 not considered road kill like, say, 5’7 Stankoven?
 
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Rebels57 said:
Whatever makes them worse I am in favor of. This makes them worse.
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Absolutely.

I’m of the same mindset as that meme where someone sees a spider so they burn down their house. This org is full of disgusting bugs and I want the whole thing to burn. Then, once we’re sure they’re all dead (literally or metaphorically) and can’t ever come back, we bulldoze whatever’s left and rebuild it from scratch.

Fletcher, Scott, and the advisors being gone would be a good start, but the problem extends far past them.
 
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Magua said:
If it’s not abundantly clear already: the Flyers didn’t avoid smaller players entirely. They simply operated on a quota system. When they drafted a few smaller guys, they suddenly went 6’4 and lumbering with their fit picks, which all turned out marvelously. They’ve openly admitted to drafting for fit, and not just in the 7th round. It’s what mediocre drafters do.

I do wonder what their internal line is, however. Since they had 5’8 Brink, was Tuomaala at 5’10 not considered road kill like, say, 5’7 Stankoven?
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Who was lumbering? Don't remember Flahr drafting Strome or St Ivany or Dove-McFalls?
Gauthier, Kaplan, Attard are his big boys picked in the first 100,
Zanetti #110, Bump #133.
To find a big slug, you got to go with McDonald #165, and he's mobile, he just doesn't have much in the way of offensive skill.

They've taken two Finnish players, both had character issues, I'd fire that scout for not doing his homework.
 
deadhead said:
Right. Because Brink was considered too small and too slow, probably a 3rd rd pick if the Flyers don't take him.
Leading the NCAA in scoring at 20 years old was obviously a fluke.
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By who, you? There was a reason they had to trade up to get him.

You know he was ranked 26 on Bob McKenzie's final list -- you know the one where he complies all of the league sources opinions into one rank, right? Certainly there was a reason why Brink was 26, it was because scouts like him.

Keep on keeping on, Deady.
 
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VladDrag said:
By who, you? There was a reason they had to trade up to get him.

You know he was ranked 26 on Bob McKenzie's final list -- you know the one where he complies all of the league sources opinions into one rank, right? Certainly there was a reason why Brink was 26, it was because scouts like him.

Keep on keeping on, Deady.
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Sarcasm much? I mean Brink was obviously another one of those big slugs they took.

The guy to watch is Gendron. Since he was traded to Gatineau:
34g 33-14 47 +31, so far in the playoffs, 5 goals in his first 3 games.
While Gatineau has some talent, it's not like he's on Bedard's line.
Leneau D #53-2022
Cormier F (overage, not drafted)
Dean C #30-2021
Kidney C #63-2021
Savoie LW #83-2022
Nadeau RW #97-2021
are their top scorers.
 
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