John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

[Embiid]

Remember that a couple months ago the team was also scoring and winning via east-west and possession hockey and he vowed to shut it down to get back to grinding. And the scoring stopped right after.

After years spent with Gordon, Lappy, Hakstol, AV, and Tortorella, we probably need to turn over the entire roster and prospect pool to purge the contamination of bad hockey that's been taught. That's why this is going to be a decade long process. They really have to start over, and they haven't begun.

Sell the team....

 

[deadhead]

Imagine being skilled enough that you don't have to grind

Imagine being competitive enough that you both play with skill and play defense.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Imagine being competitive enough that you both play with skill and play defense.

Easy to imagine. Lots of skilled teams do that. TB, Carolina, Colorado, all jump to mind immediately. We watch such things all the time. It's perfectly possible, but Tortorella wouldn't allow it if he had any of those rosters.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Hoooooly shit. Think about what he’s actually saying here.



“Even though we scored, we didn’t stray away from what I focus on: grinding.”

Meaning grinding is what he thinks is important, not the scoring. Thats being treated as merely a potential distraction from what he thinks matters most.

At this point, anyone denying that he’s a dinosaur is just lying. It’s not even arguable, it’s not a matter of opinion. He openly and loudly dislikes offense/skill/youth and fetishizes grinding/goons/defense.

def. not a dinosaur thou..


LOOOOL....

 

[Ovi895]

Hoooooly shit. Think about what he’s actually saying here.



“Even though we scored, we didn’t stray away from what I focus on: grinding.”

Meaning grinding is what he thinks is important, not the scoring. Thats being treated as merely a potential distraction from what he thinks matters most.

At this point, anyone denying that he’s a dinosaur is just lying. It’s not even arguable, it’s not a matter of opinion. He openly and loudly dislikes offense/skill/youth and fetishizes grinding/goons/defense.

He had the Rangers grinding so hard that f***ing Alain Vigneault took them to a cup finals after taking over just by virtue of not being Torts. Probably shortened Girardi's career by a few years having him eat a puck buffet every game.

Even his cup win with Tampa where he played 3 forwards 30 minutes a game and rode a hot goalie and Fedotenko's insane hot streak was a perfect example of what not to do for 99% of teams and situations.

 

[Rebels57]

He had the Rangers grinding so hard that f***ing Alain Vigneault took them to a cup finals after taking over just by virtue of not being Torts. Probably shortened Girardi's career by a few years having him eat a puck buffet every game.

Even his cup win with Tampa where he played 3 forwards 30 minutes a game and rode a hot goalie and Fedotenko's insane hot streak was a perfect example of what not to do for 99% of teams and situations.

Ironically, Tampa only got past the Flyers in 2004 because our blueline was so ravaged by injuries that 5'8 RW Sami Kapanen played DEFENSE at times. The Flyers win that in 6 with a healthy D and face Calgary in the Finals. Then maybe the Hockey world would have been spared the next 19 years of Torts.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Ironically, Tampa only got past the Flyers in 2004 because our blueline was so ravaged by injuries that 5'8 RW Sami Kapanen played DEFENSE at times. The Flyers win that in 6 with a healthy D and face Calgary in the Finals. Then maybe the Hockey world would have been spared the next 19 years of Torts.

Well, you can also blame Clarke for the lack of depth on the blueline because he decided it would be a good idea to trade Weinrich, Vandemeer (packaged for Zhamnov) and Therien. At least one of Weinrich and Therien should have been kept

 

[Rebels57]

Well, you can also blame Clarke for the lack of depth on the blueline because he decided it would be a good idea to trade Weinrich, Vandemeer (packaged for Zhamnov) and Therien. At least one of Weinrich and Therien should have been kept

No doubt. That was very stupid.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well, you can also blame Clarke for the lack of depth on the blueline because he decided it would be a good idea to trade Weinrich, Vandemeer (packaged for Zhamnov) and Therien. At least one of Weinrich and Therien should have been kept

Clarke hates depth

 

[Striiker]

Clarke wanted them to lose. He wants to remain the only Flyers captain with a cup.

 

[DancingPanther]

Clarke wanted them to lose. He wants to remain the only Flyers captain with a cup.

Wouldn't doubt it considering that megalomaniac

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

Met him yesterday at the carnival. Nice guy, shorter than I expected.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Clarke hates depth

yeah that is what it was about. Nothing else. Good stuff.

 

[Beef Invictus]

yeah that is what it was about. Nothing else. Good stuff.

Correct. Cut and dry. Very clear. No grey area.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Correct. Cut and dry. Very clear. No grey area.

in your world sure.

Neither of the 2 were going to play. He moved them to do them a solid and find a place to play. Should he have kept one of them, even if they were going to be a disgruntled employee, that is a valid conversation to have. To say he doesn’t like depth is a false narrative. Keep pushing.

 

[Beef Invictus]

in your world sure.

Neither of the 2 were going to play. He moved them to do them a solid and find a place to play. Should he have kept one of them, even if they were going to be a disgruntled employee, that is a valid conversation to have. To say he doesn’t like depth is a false narrative. Keep pushing.

I've noticed you're taking my posts on this too seriously

 

[Ghosts Beer]

in your world sure.

Neither of the 2 were going to play. He moved them to do them a solid and find a place to play. Should he have kept one of them, even if they were going to be a disgruntled employee, that is a valid conversation to have. To say he doesn’t like depth is a false narrative. Keep pushing.

Bob Clarke said multiple times he didn't like having veteran players sitting in the press box every night as healthy scratches. It's bad for the morale of the team having a disgruntled player who's never playing hanging around, and it's not fair to the player if he could be playing regularly on another team.

Bob Clarke tried doing a veteran Eric Weinrich a solid by trading him when he was stuck way too deep on the Flyers' depth chart and not playing.

Did it backfire when the Flyers' defense corps had a rash of injuries that I don't think anyone could predict? Yes, it backfired.

 

[Striiker]

Again, just posting for storage.

 

[Striiker]

Idiot

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Idiot

Thinking you're going to lose anyways is such whiny shit.

 

[Striiker]

We don’t have enough good forwards but we’re overflowing with great defensemen such as

 

[Beef Invictus]

He's a moron.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

someone needs to flatout ask him who said this:

"safe is death in the modern NHL"...

id love to hear his response..

 

[Curufinwe]

It’s hilarious that his logic is they don’t have 6 forwards to play in OT. So they play 6 dmen including Angelo and Risto instead.

 

[Magua]

It’s a lie is what it is. Frost-Tippett / Farabee-Cates / Laughton-Hayes. Wow, that was difficult. Or just ice 2 defensemen on every unit with a below average defensive group.

It’s a refusal to admit wrongness. Nothing more, nothing less. Which is a great trait in a coach, especially such a forward thinking offensive minded one.