John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

[Magua]

Loser. Energy.

"When the time comes, and we get on the other side of it......"

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Get on the other side of it.
When? What?

 

[FLYguy3911]

Loser. Energy.

"When the time comes, and we get on the other side of it......"

 

[freakydallas13]

Of course the advisors think Charles Entertainment Fletcher got dealt a bad hand with injuries. Did they use that excuse the previous 2 seasons as well?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Of course the advisors think Charles Entertainment Fletcher got dealt a bad hand with injuries. Did they use that excuse the previous 2 seasons as well?

COVID, injuries, and AV.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

listening to him bleat on about how hockey needs more fighting back in makes me really hang my head in shame..


jesus hes not only a dino hes a godam super dino

 

[Adam Warlock]

listening to him bleat on about how hockey needs more fighting back in makes me really hang my head in shame..


jesus hes not only a dino hes a godam super dino

I actually was encouraged by his presser. Yeah that was a dumb answer...but it was also a dumb question.

On the positive side...

He went out of his way to praise Briere...which i took as a subtle "this guy should be GM".

Hes not living in a fantasy world. He knows whatever small chance this team had at competing this year is over and theres no "we are in it until we are mathmatically out" bs.

Oconnor directly asked him the million dollar question...why play old guys like seeler n braun at this point? He didnt dismiss it...he praised the question and said its time to start playing young guys.

Hes very blunt about some guys just arent the right fit...which many seem to be chucks favorite guys.

Torts is far from perfect and i have some issues with who hes been playing... but hes not stupid or a loyal member of the clarke cult. For now, hes an internal voice whose calling out thats cults shit and im rather enjoying it.

 

[3mFlyers]

I liked his presser as well. Wants physical hockey. He is giving all the players chances to show they belong. He can’t make them score. He can’t make them not turn the puck over. I think he is being nice to the players in public. Has our GM had any pressers? Where are these questions to him?

 

[Beef Invictus]

He can certainly put them in better position to score and allow them to do more than cycle the perimeter.

And Tortorella may not be a member of the Clarke cult, but he exemplifies the hockey they think is best. Hockey from an era that's gone.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Briere was hand picked and groomed by the clowns that got us into this situation.

It’s more of the same.

I’m not saying he’s a guaranteed flop but I wouldn’t expect much.

 

[Embiid]

Briere is the Prince that was promised now? Oh jeez....

 

[deadhead]

Listening to the press conference, Torts sounds totally reasonable, balancing the present and future, figuring out what is best for prospects, wanting to work them in. As the season goes along, the balance will shift. He's said he's committed to playing Zamula, but the kid makes a lot of mistakes, and needs to be sheltered. There's no commitment to the current roster, they're all being auditioned. He's not going to rush kids b/c if he doesn't think they can handle a lot of NHL minutes, he feels they're better playing big minutes in the AHL. And some of the kids may turn out to be bad fits

That checklist, listen to the whole statement, he won't accept whining or excuses, "you have to eat it," i.e. if you're bad, you suffer and have to work through it. And when you come out the other side, there's a lot of motivation giving it back.

As far as the "fighting," I think his comments were misconstrued, he wants players who hate losing, and when those players get frustrated, they tend to get into scrums, same with protecting your goalie, etc. because they won't back down. So in his mind, this should happen more often if players care about winning instead of just collecting a paycheck. This is different than say the Isles 4th line, constructed to physically intimidate other teams, fighting out of design rather than passion.

Asking a guy like Torts to answer questions right after a loss may be too much, he takes losing personally, but listening to him with the press the next day, he was polite, respectful (even of dumb questions!) and measured.

He can certainly put them in better position to score and allow them to do more than cycle the perimeter.

And Tortorella may not be a member of the Clarke cult, but he exemplifies the hockey they think is best. Hockey from an era that's gone.

Every good team does the cycle, the better teams are better at it, they win board battles, get players to the net, and make good passes to set up high danger shots.
Given the lack of skill talent on the Flyers right now, there aren't a lot of options.
The only players who are decent at O-zone entries are Hayes and Tippett.

 

[mja]

Briere was hand picked and groomed by the clowns that got us into this situation.

It’s more of the same.

I’m not saying he’s a guaranteed flop but I wouldn’t expect much.

Our only real hope is that he's a little two-faced bastard who knows the brain trust is out to lunch and is just playing along with them to land the job.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Our only real hope is that he's a little two-faced bastard who knows the brain trust is out to lunch and is just playing along with them to land the job.

That's some Tolkien level fantasy. I'm sure that will be used in the future in defense of him.

 

[Curufinwe]

Oconnor directly asked him the million dollar question...why play old guys like seeler n braun at this point? He didnt dismiss it...he praised the question and said its time to start playing young guys.

Hmm, I wonder where he got the idea for that question from.

It's ridiculous that Seeler, Braun and Risto have played every game of this 10 game losing streak - that's 30 games total for the bottom three dmen. At least 5 of those games should have gone to Zamula or York or Attard.

 

[deadhead]

Hmm, I wonder where he got the idea for that question from.

It's ridiculous that Seeler, Braun and Risto have played every game of this 10 game losing streak - that's 30 games total for the bottom three dmen. At least 5 of those games should have gone to Zamula or York or Attard.

It's not ridiculous at all, if the veterans are struggling to adjust to the new schemes (and it's not just D-men, it's forwards reading the play and covering for D-men when they attack the O-zone), playing a bunch of rookies will just compound the situation and hinder their development (blind leading the blind). Right now, York is playing 1st pair minutes, PP and PK in LHV, he wouldn't be doing that in Philly.

You can see what happens when you play too many inexperienced players in situations where they're over their head, just look at the forwards. It would certainly help Frost or Cates to have a competent veteran winger.

As the team gets comfortable with roles and responsibilities, they'll gradually work in prospects. Torts was explicit about that, he sent Zamula down to get a full week of practice and two games, then brought him back to play him. If Risto can settle in with Sanheim, the third pair can be used to audition York and Attard down the road. When Atkinson, Laughton, JVR and TK return, players like Frost and Cates and Tippett can play in lower pressure roles.

After the TDL, good chance JVR, Braun, Seeler, maybe Sedlak or MacEwen will be gone. Provorov might be traded this summer.
The roster could look very different this spring, and with more changes by next October.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Every single thing that this organization does will be justified and defended.

Every. Single. Thing.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's not ridiculous at all, if the veterans are struggling to adjust to the new schemes (and it's not just D-men, it's forwards reading the play and covering for D-men when they attack the O-zone), playing a bunch of rookies will just compound the situation and hinder their development (blind leading the blind). Right now, York is playing 1st pair minutes, PP and PK in LHV, he wouldn't be doing that in Philly.

You can see what happens when you play too many inexperienced players in situations where they're over their head, just look at the forwards. It would certainly help Frost or Cates to have a competent veteran winger.

As the team gets comfortable with roles and responsibilities, they'll gradually work in prospects. Torts was explicit about that, he sent Zamula down to get a full week of practice and two games, then brought him back to play him. If Risto can settle in with Sanheim, the third pair can be used to audition York and Attard down the road. When Atkinson, Laughton, JVR and TK return, players like Frost and Cates and Tippett can play in lower pressure roles.

After the TDL, good chance JVR, Braun, Seeler, maybe Sedlak or MacEwen will be gone. Provorov might be traded this summer.
The roster could look very different this spring, and with more changes by next October.

What if the veterans aren't struggling to adapt, what if they just f***ing suck? These are after all players you insisted would never be regulars. Due to how much they suck.

Then trying out higher upside players would be the better idea. The notion that Tortorella's schemes are so complex we have to cancel the revolving door is laughable. He himself has claimed he's greatly dumbed it all down because he's too lazy to figure out how to communicate it.

The roster isn't going to look different in spring. Unless you mean it'll be even older.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Brought him back to play, f*** off with that shit. DeAngelo is out.

Utter f***ing fantasy.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What if the veterans aren't struggling to adapt, what if they just f***ing suck? These are after all players you insisted would never be regulars. Due to how much they suck.

Then trying out higher upside players would be the better idea. The notion that Tortorella's schemes are so complex we have to cancel the revolving door is laughable. He himself has claimed he's greatly dumbed it all down because he's too lazy to figure out how to communicate it.

The roster isn't going to look different. Unless you mean it'll be even older.

Beef, you didn't hear? The complex schemes is the new justification of why the sucked the first ten games and why we can't use that sample size to try and show anything. Only the last 12, or whatever it is now, can be used.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Brought him back to play, f*** off with that shit. DeAngelo is out.

Utter f***ing fantasy.

Second TDA is back, Zamula is gone.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Beef, you didn't hear? The complex schemes is the new justification of why the sucked the first ten games and why we can't use that sample size to try and show anything. Only the last 12, or whatever it is now, can be used.

You mean the last 12 where they've lost nonstop and treat offense like an aggressive grinding defense, an old Tortorella staple?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You mean the last 12 where they've lost nonstop and treat offense like an aggressive grinding defense, an old Tortorella staple?

Yeah but those regressing to the mean underlying stats are niceeeee.

 

[Curufinwe]

It's not ridiculous at all, if the veterans are struggling to adjust to the new schemes (and it's not just D-men, it's forwards reading the play and covering for D-men when they attack the O-zone), playing a bunch of rookies will just compound the situation and hinder their development (blind leading the blind).

One rookie is not a bunch.

The veteran dmen are not struggling to adjust, they are just very limited players.

The Flyers have three NHL ready defensive prospects, and none of them are getting regular NHL minutes two months into the season as the team is heading for a bottom 5 finish. That is objectively ridiculous.

 

[VladDrag]

Very interested to hear this whole quote.