John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

[Beef Invictus]

So are people rooting for Torts to have success? Or do they want failure?

I want him to have success.

I also recognize how unlikely that is, for a huge variety of reasons.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Please do not get me started on the hilarious ways carnival games are rigged. I'll be on more Ignore lists than Striiker by the end of it.

Go on...

 

[freakydallas13]

People aren't this negative towards this team because they want them to lose, literally no Flyers fans enjoy watching the awful product that is this team. Stop inferring your own narrative and putting it in other people's mouths.

We're frustrated with the past, the present, and the future make up of this team, because nothing upper management has done in the last few decades warrants confidence of the team being a Stanley Cup contender any time soon. There is no light at the end of the tunnel, only a mediocre team that lives on a playoff bubble and can't hope to be anything more than a speed bump for true contenders in the first round. Participation trophy personified, year in year out.

I don't know about others, but at this point the team has been, and continues to be, so absolutely dreadful to watch, that if I didn't spend time complaining about it, I'd leave it. Possibly forever. My patience with this team has been incredibly generous, but after a decade of minimal joy and general depression with how the team is run, the only options left for me are laugh at the absolute ineptitude of the people running the team, or leave it and move on with my life, and return one day once (if) the team ever actually puts a fun product on the ice. It's depressing to walk out on something that used to bring me joy, but honestly, what option do we have at this point?

Also, inb4 "just be positive bro, they'll be good this year." Gtfo my face with this, if you can't see the problems of the last decade being continued for the foreseeable future, then save us both the time and block me.

 

[kudymen]

Also, inb4 "just be positive bro, they'll be good this year." Gtfo my face with this, if you can't see the problems of the last decade being continued for the foreseeable future, then save us both the time and block me.

These posts worked so well after the "we are going all in" offseason last year Of course it became a weird bizzare year afterwards

 

[Chinatown88]

Please do not get me started on the hilarious ways carnival games are rigged. I'll be on more Ignore lists than Striiker by the end of it.

I need this. BAD

 

[FLYguy3911]

Fans want some combination of entertainment and hope. The last two seasons would not fit my definition of entertaining and the GM and new HC preaching everything but offense does not make me optimistic about the future. It's hard to be hopeful when the GM's process is so off and his one saving grace is trading for a mid-30s defenseman, with a big cap hit, who had a one year renaissance before retiring.

 

[Beef Invictus]

People aren't this negative towards this team because they want them to lose, literally no Flyers fans enjoy watching the awful product that is this team. Stop inferring your own narrative and putting it in other people's mouths.

We're frustrated with the past, the present, and the future make up of this team, because nothing upper management has done in the last few decades warrants confidence of the team being a Stanley Cup contender any time soon. There is no light at the end of the tunnel, only a mediocre team that lives on a playoff bubble and can't hope to be anything more than a speed bump for true contenders in the first round. Participation trophy personified, year in year out.

I don't know about others, but at this point the team has been, and continues to be, so absolutely dreadful to watch, that if I didn't spend time complaining about it, I'd leave it. Possibly forever. My patience with this team has been incredibly generous, but after a decade of minimal joy and general depression with how the team is run, the only options left for me are laugh at the absolute ineptitude of the people running the team, or leave it and move on with my life, and return one day once (if) the team ever actually puts a fun product on the ice. It's depressing to walk out on something that used to bring me joy, but honestly, what option do we have at this point?

Also, inb4 "just be positive bro, they'll be good this year." Gtfo my face with this, if you can't see the problems of the last decade being continued for the foreseeable future, then save us both the time and block me.

This is the thing. Almost everything they do is so obviously negative and bad that that the team makes it impossible to have positive interaction with it, or even hopeful interaction.

And before it's said, no, it isn't baseless pessimism. We are proven right basically every single time. That's the most frustrating thing, how incredibly obvious it is to everyone reasonable except the people making these foolish decisions.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I need this. BAD

I'm not doing this. I will not shut up.

But I will say that there are some where you can gain an advantage. Look for anything with construction required and assume it was done as cheaply as humanly possible, like the races to inflate the clown balloons with water guns. Watch a couple of rounds, paying close attention to the end seats. They're almost always constructed with one shared water line, so the first seat in the run will usually win if everything else is close.

 

[freakydallas13]

Fans want some combination of entertainment and hope. The last two seasons would not fit my definition of entertaining and the GM and new HC preaching everything but offense does not make me optimistic about the future. It's hard to be hopeful when the GM's process is so off and his one saving grace is trading for a mid-30s defenseman, with a big cap hit, who had a one year renaissance before retiring.

This is a great distillation of my feelings on the team, thank you.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Fans want some combination of entertainment and hope. The last two seasons would not fit my definition of entertaining and the GM and new HC preaching everything but offense does not make me optimistic about the future. It's hard to be hopeful when the GM's process is so off and his one saving grace is trading for a mid-30s defenseman, with a big cap hit, who had a one year renaissance before retiring.

Agreed. I would rather tear this thing down and start acquiring assets and go way younger...but it doesn't look like they are going to do that.

So I guess I root for them to get Johnny hockey and turn this around? I'm in a tough place as a fan

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Please do not get me started on the hilarious ways carnival games are rigged. I'll be on more Ignore lists than Striiker by the end of it.

Speaking of that lad, is he in trouble?

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm not doing this. I will not shut up.

But I will say that there are some where you can gain an advantage. Look for anything with construction required and assume it was done as cheaply as humanly possible, like the races to inflate the clown balloons with water guns. Watch a couple of rounds, paying close attention to the end seats. They're almost always constructed with one shared water line, so the first seat in the run will usually win if everything else is close.

This is not the first time you've hinted at a manifesto-style rant on carnivals and refused to deliver. We are becoming restless.

 

[DancingPanther]

Please do not get me started on the hilarious ways carnival games are rigged. I'll be on more Ignore lists than Striiker by the end of it.

Jojo, I stand by you on this. I've seen the debunking videos with the science.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

This is not the first time you've hinted at a manifesto-style rant on carnivals and refused to deliver. We are becoming restless.

It's thematic, Beef. You thought the ring post was going to settle down on the neck of the bottle, but it bounced right off.

 

[mja]

Speaking of that lad, is he in trouble?

Nope, just mostly takes the summers off nowadays because the situation is hopeless.

 

[DancingPanther]

Oval rims, lights only on the jackpot every x amount of times, lopsidedly weighted balls, etc

It's thematic, Beef. You thought the ring post was going to settle down on the neck of the bottle, but it bounced right off.

That's another one, they use glass bottles and metal rings because the metal bounces off the glass that much more than anything else

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Oval rims, lights only on the jackpot every x amount of times, lopsidedly weighted balls, etc


That's another one, they use glass bottles and metal rings because the metal bounces off the glass that much more than anything else

The Ring Toss is almost impossible, but if you were forced to do it, your best shot is to take 2-3 rings at once and throw them stacked together. Go for sideways spin, but keep them parallel to the target. If it tumbles, you're even more boned. Even with practice, you're not going to win at this.

Now the Milk Can Toss you can actually get pretty good at it you devote enough time to it. That's an underhand high-arcing toss with backspin aimed at the back lip.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

This is not the first time you've hinted at a manifesto-style rant on carnivals and refused to deliver. We are becoming restless.

i think its high time to unleash the zombie circus clowns on him...

 

[sigma six]

Small steps. Torts is here, and that's not without some positives.
He can't do anything about the FO situation, so I'm going to try to remember that his performance as a coach is a separate thing from management's misadventures.

At least he can light a fire under these players and demand some effort to secure their spot, and that doesn't have to mean simply favoring all the try-hard plugs....I hope

 

[deadhead]

Please do not get me started on the hilarious ways carnival games are rigged. I'll be on more Ignore lists than Striiker by the end of it.

What the hell do you do for a living?
Or were you born into a Carny family?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

What the hell do you do for a living?
Or were you born into a Carny family?

Thank you for that laugh, deady.

I did actually do that for a summer while I was in school. Being forced to learn "talking" was one of the best things that ever happened to me.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Thinking the Flyers are going to be bad at least isn’t settling us up for disappointment. I think they will better this season. Playoffs better? Would not go that far.

 

[deadhead]

As far as the Flyers, I'm cautiously optimistic (pretty much my approach in life, I've lived with the Black Dog enough to know that you can't "let it bring you down" because that way lies the spiral into darkness).

I was skeptical of Torts until I looked at his actual record, not the media fun mirror version.

He's tough on his players, and will drive a couple out of town (but Voracek and Ghost are already gone) but is beloved by many of his former players, including ones he was tough on, just listen to Hartnell, et al. He'll play rookies and young players, but demands they play the right way. But no Hakstol dirty looks or AV the sphinx, Torts will tell players to their face what they're doing wrong.

He goes strictly on his version of merit. But he's not rigid, he didn't ask Panarin or Atkinson to hit people, just to back check and get in the way. He does like top 9 forwards who are physical, two way players, but mixes in some skilled "figure skaters." He doesn't run out 4th lines of veteran scrubs, or waste roster space on the Thompson, Beagle or Shelley types (AV, Trotz, Lavi). His players don't generally fight, chase hits or take penalties. So his concept of "playing hard" is not the same as Clarke or Holmgren.

I'll wait and see what Fletcher actually does, he was giving lip service to the PTB about being aggressive, but now that Torts is on board, that may change. Where AV pushed for action, not sure Torts looks outside his team, at least initially.

This is actually a pretty young team, especially if they move out JVR this year.
I'm looking forward to what Torts can do with these players, because if there's untapped talent there, he'll tap it.
And I'm pretty sure Therrien is not going to be hired as an assistant coach.

 

[dragonoffrost]

The Ring Toss is almost impossible, but if you were forced to do it, your best shot is to take 2-3 rings at once and throw them stacked together. Go for sideways spin, but keep them parallel to the target. If it tumbles, you're even more boned. Even with practice, you're not going to win at this.

Now the Milk Can Toss you can actually get pretty good at it you devote enough time to it. That's an underhand high-arcing toss with backspin aimed at the back lip.

Milk Can and toss the Softball into the basket have the same basic win method soft high arc with backspin. In the basket you want to hit the basket within the half of the side closest to the bottom of the basket, if that makes sense.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Stevens was beloved by players, it isn't something I consider a big selling point.