John Tavares has taken that next step.

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He is changing his game, he not only wants to retire in Toronto he wants to play through and win a cup or two. How is that possible? You nailed it. The guy has been playing shut down this season with a few noticeable flubs and it's like he is responsible for every goal against.

The guy has like 6 games this year as a minus.

This is where the coaching staff is pushing him to go, they are happy and so am I.

11mill? Yea maybe to much, but I don't think Johnny toronta is going anywhere and I also think he will be a good defensive center till his contract is up. He will be pretty close to a ppg guy through his tenure.

And many of the goals scored against against the Tavares' line (i.e. the game against calgary) were Anderson's fault.

Plus, he's on pace for 70 points this season playing shutdown D.
That's pretty good if you ask me. As long as Tavares' line is a net positive it doesn't matter how many points he scores TBH.
 
Tavares - Nylander and Galchenyuk are looking good togeather.
They've only played 2 games so far, but, they're dominant --- constantly putting high pressure in the offensive zone.

First, let's see if they can gel with Galchenyuk before we make any sudden line changes.
Galchenyuk has looked really good so far, I'd even go as far as making the PP2:

Brodie
Nylander - Spezza - Galchenyuk
Tavares

The PP2. Just so Nylnader/Tavares can get used to Galchenyuk faster.
He has a good shot, why not use him on the PP, and, he's getting accustomed to his linemates better.
 
And many of the goals scored against against the Tavares' line (i.e. the game against calgary) were Anderson's fault.

Plus, he's on pace for 70 points this season playing shutdown D.
That's pretty good if you ask me. As long as Tavares' line is a net positive it doesn't matter how many points he scores TBH.
Uh no, for an 11m player he better be bringing the points. He is not a selke level defensive player. Its not like we are talking about bergeron here.
 
Uh no, for an 11m player he better be bringing the points. He is not a selke level defensive player. Its not like we are talking about bergeron here.

When the Leafs signed Tavares, he was putting up 70-80 points a season for NYI.
He's doing just that, so he's living up to his contract.

On pace for 70 points this season, and, he's been extremely unlucky missing empty nets.
 
When the Leafs signed Tavares, he was putting up 70-80 points a season for NYI.
He's doing just that, so he's living up to his contract.

On pace for 70 points this season, and, he's been extremely unlucky missing empty nets.
Yeah 70-80 pts playing with no one. That is not the case now.
 
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Guy makes the most boneheaded plays. Captain can’t be giving the puck away in the worst spots on the ice that consistently.

He rarely turns it over, it's not a regular occurrence.
Tavares is not a problem on the team right now. Is he worth 11 million? No. But, at the time, it was the correct moving signing Tavares. San Jose was offering him 13 million.

Would I have Kadri over him? Maybe, if you consider the cap hits.
We never should have traded Kadri.

Matthews - Tavares - Kadri, we'd be unstoppable at C.

That was Dubas' worst mistake, trading Kadri for nothing.
Kadri had 9 goals, 9 assists in 9 games last playoffs.
Imagine if we had him on our 3rd line instead of Kerfoot.
 
going to be a lot of armchair GMs jumping back on the bandwagon when Tavares goes full out Johnny Toronto in the playoffs.
 
going to be a lot of armchair GMs jumping back on the bandwagon when Tavares goes full out Johnny Toronto in the playoffs.
So being unhappy as a fan is now bandwagoning? I can be critical of his play now and appreciative when he picks it up. Saying he need to be better is not bandwagoning.
 
Yeah 70-80 pts playing with no one. That is not the case now.

That's right. Tavares has been blessed with Jimmy Vesey, a kid who hadn't stepped foot in the AHL even, Kerfoot...
Believe it or not, Tavares usually had two wingers one the Islanders who scored near a Nylander-pace not one.
 
The one thing that stands out to me is he seems to be fighting the puck a lot, especially on home ice. The puck is always bouncing on his stick leading to missed passes or losing it altogether. I'm not sure if he is dealing with a hand injury or he has simply had shit luck on our awful ice. But he does like to stick handle more than he should....like he is in a phone booth lol

18 home games - 12 points
14 road games - 15 points

He also hasn't gone more than 2 consecutive games without a point. More than 1 game without a point happened twice; the previous two series vs. Calgary. 1 point in 6 games vs the Flames

Yes, I have been a little concerned with the production, but when you step back, it actually hasn't been that bad. He is still generating a lot of chances and I don't recall too many instances where he missed a defensive assignment. He has saved a lot of goals/great chances with his stick being in the right place

I think he is overdue for a 3+ points game
 
He rarely turns it over, it's not a regular occurrence.
Tavares is not a problem on the team right now. Is he worth 11 million? No. But, at the time, it was the correct moving signing Tavares. San Jose was offering him 13 million.

Would I have Kadri over him? Maybe, if you consider the cap hits.
We never should have traded Kadri.

Matthews - Tavares - Kadri, we'd be unstoppable at C.

That was Dubas' worst mistake, trading Kadri for nothing.
Kadri had 9 goals, 9 assists in 9 games last playoffs.
Imagine if we had him on our 3rd line instead of Kerfoot.

This whole obsession with the Kadri trade history is bewildering. Kadri was gone, no matter what. The suspensions were just the straw that broke the camel's back, after years of disciplinary issues, internal suspensions, publicly being called out by Shanahan for needing to mature, and run in's with many coaches. He was shopped around the league, vetoed at least one trade, and then ended up going to Colorado, for a needed RHD, and a replacement C. The RHD didn't work out..

But, here people are criticizing the trade, as if they have some knowledge that better packages were available from other teams, that Kadri didn't veto a trade for. It wasn't as if his internal discipline issues were a secret, and his repeated immaturity, suspensions at the wrong time, ect, were well known. Do people really believe that somehow a problem behaviour player gets moved for a premium? That the list of suitors, willing to trade for him, that he didn't veto, was vast, and would have created a bidding war? Dubas is well known for calling all the GM's, so he would have known what he could get, and what the max return was.

The reality here is, people have some outsized expectations of what they should expect on a return of a damaged asset. I'd guess, some of these people will still ignore the realities of the situation, and be complaining about his in a decade.
 
That's right. Tavares has been blessed with Jimmy Vesey, a kid who hadn't stepped foot in the AHL even, Kerfoot...
Believe it or not, Tavares usually had two wingers one the Islanders who scored near a Nylander-pace not one.
Oh please, lets not start that bullshit of him not getting enough help in his line. At 11m you're supposed to make others better. Lets also not act like hyman wasn't a mainstay initially on that line.
 
He rarely turns it over, it's not a regular occurrence.
Tavares is not a problem on the team right now. Is he worth 11 million? No. But, at the time, it was the correct moving signing Tavares. San Jose was offering him 13 million.

Would I have Kadri over him? Maybe, if you consider the cap hits.
We never should have traded Kadri.

Matthews - Tavares - Kadri, we'd be unstoppable at C.

That was Dubas' worst mistake, trading Kadri for nothing.
Kadri had 9 goals, 9 assists in 9 games last playoffs.
Imagine if we had him on our 3rd line instead of Kerfoot.

We would have a player who's a -5 rather than a +8, and the Leafs would be possible be looking at resigning Ceci because we couldn't afford Brodie.
We would have a player who has never accepted playing by committee. He's a one-man show whether it costs his team or not. Even someone like
Kessel who only wanted to score didn't want him as his center because he was so selfish with the puck.
Nylander has a higher rate of blocked shots this season than Kadri. Kerfoot has a higher rate of hits than Kadri.
Personally I don't think Kadri has any usefulness as a 3rd line center. He's at his best as a 2nd line center trying to score with the caveat that defense
before offense is not an option. This is a team that is seeing all their players buying into a team defensive system and think Kadri would only bring in
animosity to that effort. Think there might of been some initial hurt feelings when the trade went down, but everyone is better off for it.
 
JT has been getting better as of late. He's been working hard at both ends of the ice. He just needs to finish more of his chances to justify his salary.
 
Vancouver is nothing like the Taveres situation.
At no point did Benning have to give a 1st away just to sign his RFA.

There's a lot to unpack here.

The highest contract we have is 6 million which expires after next season.

Eh? The Edler contract expires yes, but the Myers contract goes until 2024 at a $6 million cap hit, and he's performing as a bottom pairing defenseman in year 2 of his contract.

Nucks have 60 million in cap space over the next 2 years leafs don't even have enough to sign Hyman and a goalie upgrade.

The Hyman part is definitely debatable, but ignoring that, just because the Canucks getting cap space back doesn't mean they'll spend it wisely nor is it the whole picture. Your GM says you'll be competitive in two years, ok. Before that though Boeser will be an RFA and will likely want a raise from his current $5.85 million cap hit. After that, next season Horvat and Miller will need extensions, and in Horvat's case most likely a raise from his $5.5 million cap hit. Haven't even mentioned Demko's need of a new contract after this season, and he'll definitely want more than what Holtby is making at $4.3 million. Essentially, this current Canucks core of Demko, Pettersson, Hughes, Horvat, Boeser, and Miller, will only have one kick at the can (if we're going by your GMs timeline) before two of those guys are UFAs. All of them will be making much more money against the cap and while it's better to spend on star talent than the garbage Benning has spent on recently, it'll make it very difficult to build a defence corps that can actually play defence, and fixing a bottom six that contributes virtually nothing.

How can a 3-year rebuild stall when it's not even finished?

I'm sorry three year rebuild? Your own GM wanted this team to be competitive for the playoffs every year, he said this back in 2014. He's been there for 7 years, where does this notion of a three year rebuild come from when that has never been stated nor been the plan? Falling bass-ackwards into great young talent does not mean your franchise had been planning to do so, otherwise your contractual structure with this core wouldn't be so volatile. Unlike the Leafs, who have ensured that they'll have at least 4 more years (including this season) of being competitive before any questions need to be answered. We also don't have to waste time mucking about for two years due to incompetent management.

Besides one goal away from the conference finals last season and 7 points behind the leafs while one team rolling the other is blowing away.

Lots of games left for the leafs to slip out of contention still.

We're handing out trophies for second round appearances now? Especially to a team that had a high chance of falling out of the playoff picture if not for COVID? And that last bit lol. Yeah the Leafs just went through their worst stretch of the season and they're still first in the division with games in hand, while the Canucks are on their best stretch of the season and still on the outside looking in while having played more games.

I don't get the logic of justifying a bad signing by trying to attack another teams situation, especially when your comparing an 11+ million contract with 4 full seasons compared to at most 1 full season. Wouldn't the Sabres, Sharks panthers offer better comparables? If you feel the need to slag.

I don't get the logic of coming onto another team's board to defend a management group that has done nothing but screw up their team outside of a fluke run and throwing stones at another teams cap when yours is the poster boy for piss poor cap management. John may be struggling right now but he's still performing close to a point per game and has improved defensively with an added focus to that side of the game. Is $11 million expensive for that? Yes, but it's not absolutely destructive like some other contracts.
 
He rarely turns it over, it's not a regular occurrence.
Tavares is not a problem on the team right now. Is he worth 11 million? No. But, at the time, it was the correct moving signing Tavares. San Jose was offering him 13 million.

Would I have Kadri over him? Maybe, if you consider the cap hits.
We never should have traded Kadri.

Matthews - Tavares - Kadri, we'd be unstoppable at C.

That was Dubas' worst mistake, trading Kadri for nothing.
Kadri had 9 goals, 9 assists in 9 games last playoffs.
Imagine if we had him on our 3rd line instead of Kerfoot.

I'd rather have Brodie than Kadri for what it does for team results. To me addressing D moves the needle more than forwards.
 
There's a lot to unpack here.



Eh? The Edler contract expires yes, but the Myers contract goes until 2024 at a $6 million cap hit, and he's performing as a bottom pairing defenseman in year 2 of his contract.



The Hyman part is definitely debatable, but ignoring that, just because the Canucks getting cap space back doesn't mean they'll spend it wisely nor is it the whole picture. Your GM says you'll be competitive in two years, ok. Before that though Boeser will be an RFA and will likely want a raise from his current $5.85 million cap hit. After that, next season Horvat and Miller will need extensions, and in Horvat's case most likely a raise from his $5.5 million cap hit. Haven't even mentioned Demko's need of a new contract after this season, and he'll definitely want more than what Holtby is making at $4.3 million. Essentially, this current Canucks core of Demko, Pettersson, Hughes, Horvat, Boeser, and Miller, will only have one kick at the can (if we're going by your GMs timeline) before two of those guys are UFAs. All of them will be making much more money against the cap and while it's better to spend on star talent than the garbage Benning has spent on recently, it'll make it very difficult to build a defence corps that can actually play defence, and fixing a bottom six that contributes virtually nothing.



I'm sorry three year rebuild? Your own GM wanted this team to be competitive for the playoffs every year, he said this back in 2014. He's been there for 7 years, where does this notion of a three year rebuild come from when that has never been stated nor been the plan? Falling bass-ackwards into great young talent does not mean your franchise had been planning to do so, otherwise your contractual structure with this core wouldn't be so volatile. Unlike the Leafs, who have ensured that they'll have at least 4 more years (including this season) of being competitive before any questions need to be answered. We also don't have to waste time mucking about for two years due to incompetent management.



We're handing out trophies for second round appearances now? Especially to a team that had a high chance of falling out of the playoff picture if not for COVID? And that last bit lol. Yeah the Leafs just went through their worst stretch of the season and they're still first in the division with games in hand, while the Canucks are on their best stretch of the season and still on the outside looking in while having played more games.



I don't get the logic of coming onto another team's board to defend a management group that has done nothing but screw up their team outside of a fluke run and throwing stones at another teams cap when yours is the poster boy for piss poor cap management. John may be struggling right now but he's still performing close to a point per game and has improved defensively with an added focus to that side of the game. Is $11 million expensive for that? Yes, but it's not absolutely destructive like some other contracts.
Yea. Myers is a dud. I knew that before he signed for 6mill plus. LOL
 
Folks are doing to Tavares what they were doing to Nylander about 15 games ago. Nitpicking a few individual plays and then overrating the impact/emphasis to his overall game.

A bit of extra luck luck and he'd be closer to PPG. And there's absolutely no denying how much better defensively that 2nd line is this season.
 

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