Value of: John Gibson to the Leafs

[Hockey 4 Life]

That's when you know a trade is fair...both sides do it even though it's painful for both sides.

I'd say kerfoot gets a 2nd at the deadline with a little retention and Holl gets a 3rd.
So 2022 1st + 2023/2024 1st + 2023 2nd + 2023 3rd + Robertson. Thats a really big haul but I guess if we get top 5 goaltending so be it.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Playing at Gm is one thing, thinking your opinion actually matters in the outcome of a trade is another.

Who does that (except for a few delusional posters)?

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Who does that (except for a few delusional posters)?

Just the one I was speaking to earlier. Haven't come across it otherwise.

 

[thusk]

Just to stir the pot...

IMO if Toronto is interested in Gibson that means they are ok with both his play and his contract. In fact, if they like his play then his contract is a good thing with 5 years of stability for a player entering his prime years.

Assuming the Ducks want a futures based package for Gibson and Toronto wants to free up some cap space, I could see the following:

Toronto gets:
Gibson
3rd in '23 or '24 (see below)

Anaheim gets:
Robertson (who I don't see as a high-end prospect...seems more like an energy guy at the NHL level)
'22 1st
'23 or '24 1st (TML choice and Anaheim sends back a 3rd in whatever year the 1st is exercised)
Mzarek
Kerfoot
Holl

I think you just add comtois and thats look fair

 

[tomd]

I think you just add comtois and thats look fair

Comtois comes at a $2 million price tag though which sort of defeats the purpose of trading Kerfoot. I think Toronto would be better off just keeping Kerfoot in that circumstance. Comtois has upside but I don't think he fits well in Toronto...especially after the year he just had.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Comtois comes at a $2 million price tag though which sort of defeats the purpose of trading Kerfoot. I think Toronto would be better off just keeping Kerfoot in that circumstance. Comtois has upside but I don't think he fits well in Toronto...especially after the year he just had.

Comtois would still provide good value for the leafs at 2 mill.

 

[thusk]

Comtois comes at a $2 million price tag though which sort of defeats the purpose of trading Kerfoot. I think Toronto would be better off just keeping Kerfoot in that circumstance. Comtois has upside but I don't think he fits well in Toronto...especially after the year he just had.

2M is holl cap hit so thats fine and leafs still need secondary scoring depht from bottom 6 with mikheyev probably out, kerfoot out. Comtois can make sense on a 3rd line

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Just the one I was speaking to earlier. Haven't come across it otherwise.

And that just because you disagreed with him?

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

And that just because you disagreed with him?

No he was stating his opinion as fact when its not. Everyone has opinions some good some bad, I have no problem with either and can agree or disagree.

 

[tomd]

Comtois would still provide good value for the leafs at 2 mill.

Not opposed to that...would probably mean that Anaheim keeps the 3rd I had originally proposed sending to Toronto.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Not opposed to that...would probably mean that Anaheim keeps the 3rd I had originally proposed sending to Toronto.

Yeah I think adding comtois and subtracting the 3rd makes the trade really close to even.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

No he was stating his opinion as fact when its not. Everyone has opinions some good some bad, I have no problem with either and can agree or disagree.

??? How did he state that any differently than usual?

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

??? How did he state that any differently than usual?

I believe he stated Toronto would not be able to get out of the Mrazek deal without giving up two 2nds . He was stating it as an absolute.

 

[lwvs84]

I think you just add comtois and thats look fair

I may be in the minority, but I'd rather keep Comtois and drop Kerfoot or Holl from that deal. Comtois is a bigger forward which the Ducks need. I think (hope) he had a bad season because he turned 21 during Covid and partied last summer because more bars/clubs were open and he could get in. I'd hope he can get to a 20+ goal forward (which he would have hit if not for shortened season last year).

 

[DavidBL]

I'm just curious, what do Leafs fans actually think Nylanders value is? Generally I would compare him to Bobby Ryan when he was moved. Nylander has been more productive but Ryan had 4x 30 goal seasons. Both 2 years of control left. If agree Nylander has more value, but how much more?

 

[Crazy8oooo]

It also doesn't mean the leafs should overpay for a goalie whose stats have been really bad the past 3 years.

The problem is, it’s Leafs fans who keep proposing trades for him and Ducks fans are simply turning them down and saying what they think it would actually take. If it were Ducks fans trying to pawn him off then your statement would be more relevant.

If someone keeps approaching me about buying my car that I’m not selling, it only makes sense for me to tell him what it would take to get me to sell it. It wouldn’t matter much to me what he thinks I should sell it for because I’m not actively selling it.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

I'm just curious, what do Leafs fans actually think Nylanders value is? Generally I would compare him to Bobby Ryan when he was moved. Nylander has been more productive but Ryan had 4x 30 goal seasons. Both 2 years of control left. If agree Nylander has more value, but how much more?

well as far as value, it's tough to gage because were not rebuilding. At this point I would not trade nylander for anything less than legit number two rhd of similar age and contract. We would not move him for a goalie or futures. Nylander is a posession beast who enters the zone effortlessly and just so smooth. Nothing makes sense.

The only trade outside of a rhd I outlined would be if a star player with term became angry and wanted out and nylander and picks went the other way to get a deal done. That's really all that makes sense for us. In leafs fans eyes nylander should be with Matthews and marner should be propping up weekend at tavares.

 

[thusk]

well as far as value, it's tough to gage because were not rebuilding. At this point I would not trade nylander for anything less than legit number two rhd of similar age and contract. We would not move him for a goalie or futures. Nylander is a posession beast who enters the zone effortlessly and just so smooth. Nothing makes sense.

The only trade outside of a rhd I outlined would be if a star player with term became angry and wanted out and nylander and picks went the other way to get a deal done. That's really all that makes sense for us. In leafs fans eyes nylander should be with Matthews and marner should be propping up weekend at tavares.

And think most of leafs fans overrate the real impact of nylander. Yes possession beast, thats working of regular season only... during playoff didnt make any difference if youre not ready to pay the price and go on traffic, play hard defensivly, be ready to pay the price by blocking shot

For me a guy like perron, copp or hyman than leafs let go to keep the big 4 together, for me those guys impact on playoff is higher than nylander real impact.

 

[Big Muddy]

Your assuming Gibson wants to stay through a rebuild, any deal involving Gibson will require some cap going back, and Gibson wants to win so any trade involves him going to a playoff team. There are only a handful of playoff teams that can afford his cap + have the assets to trade for him. Gibson also had poor numbers over the last 3 years so that hurts his value as well. Point is there is a limited market of 5 or 6 teams that you will be dealing with in a Gibson trade.

So, now you are assuming you know what Gibson wants. Priceless.

Look give it up. Toronto/Leaf fans want/need a good goalie. Everyone knows that.

But, its also equally obvious you aren't considering the other teams needs, or if they are even interested in making a trade. The whole world does not revolve around what the Leafs & its fans needs.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Comtois comes at a $2 million price tag though which sort of defeats the purpose of trading Kerfoot. I think Toronto would be better off just keeping Kerfoot in that circumstance. Comtois has upside but I don't think he fits well in Toronto...especially after the year he just had.

Comtois also negates the Robertson value in this case. Thus, reducing the value coming back for Gibson. I think Comtois has as much if not more value than Robertson. He wouldn’t just be a throw in. If they want a small throw in, it would be more like Jacob Larsson.

 

[Menzinger]

And think most of leafs fans overrate the real impact of nylander. Yes possession beast, thats working of regular season only... during playoff didnt make any difference if youre not ready to pay the price and go on traffic, play hard defensivly, be ready to pay the price by blocking shot

For me a guy like perron, copp or hyman than leafs let go to keep the big 4 together, for me those guys impact on playoff is higher than nylander real impact.

He's ppg in playoff scoring over the last three years....

 

[thusk]

He's ppg in playoff scoring over the last three years....

But how many time did you see him slide or sacrifice his body to block a shot, giving a second or third effort to make a defensive play or fore check hard to get the puck back or playing with high intensity?

Nylander impact = schoresheet

Player like perron/ copp/ hyman is an impact in every aspect of the game, thats the difference.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I believe he stated Toronto would not be able to get out of the Mrazek deal without giving up two 2nds . He was stating it as an absolute.

What gave you that impression.

I don't like people making false accusations.

The problem is, it’s Leafs fans who keep proposing trades for him and Ducks fans are simply turning them down and saying what they think it would actually take. If it were Ducks fans trying to pawn him off then your statement would be more relevant.

If someone keeps approaching me about buying my car that I’m not selling, it only makes sense for me to tell him what it would take to get me to sell it. It wouldn’t matter much to me what he thinks I should sell it for because I’m not actively selling it.

Very good post.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

So, now you are assuming you know what Gibson wants. Priceless.

Look give it up. Toronto/Leaf fans want/need a good goalie. Everyone knows that.

But, its also equally obvious you aren't considering the other teams needs, or if they are even interested in making a trade. The whole world does not revolve around what the Leafs & its fans needs.

No you are projecting. I'm simply stating you are not considering the possibility Gibson doesn't want to stay through a rebuild which is what the rumor is. If the ducks want to keep Gibson and Gibson wants to stay then great he stays and teams look elsewhere. All I'm saying is if he does want to leave there are a handful of teams capable of trading for him and his cap hit.

What gave you that impression.

I don't like people making false accusations.


Very good post.

No false accusations he stated it factually, also with all due respect I could care less what you like or dislike.

 

[Scrapy1980]

I believe he stated Toronto would not be able to get out of the Mrazek deal without giving up two 2nds . He was stating it as an absolute.

I would rather buy out, 1.433m for the next 4 years then give up 2-2nd round picks