Value of: John Gibson to the Leafs

[Big Muddy]

And what are you offering in return for the Ducks taking Mrazek and retaining on Gibson for 5 years lol.

I don't see Toronto offering anywhere near enough to make the Ducks eat 15 mil+ in salary. Not to mention, the Ducks could keep Gibson and be totally happy with that.

That doesn't mean the Ducks are required to bend over backwards for him and bend over forward for the Leafs.

Ya, that seems to be what a lot of these Leaf fans can't seem to wrap their heads around.

But, its not surprising. The attitude seems to be that the other NHL teams are just feeder teams to support the glorious Laffs. Of course other teams are going to consider what they need first. That's the starting point. Nothing happens unless the team decides they are really interested.

 

[Big Muddy]

I would rather buy out, 1.433m for the next 4 years then give up 2-2nd round picks

Good. Then we could close this thread and the Leaf fans can move the discussion to their own forum and discuss it there. The hockey world does not revolve around "all things Leafs".

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I would rather buy out, 1.433m for the next 4 years then give up 2-2nd round picks

I wasn't advocating giving anything up, your responding to a conversation about a separate conversation.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I'm just curious, what do Leafs fans actually think Nylanders value is? Generally I would compare him to Bobby Ryan when he was moved. Nylander has been more productive but Ryan had 4x 30 goal seasons. Both 2 years of control left. If agree Nylander has more value, but how much more?

quite a bit more because Nylander won't fall off the map like Ryan did, completely different style of game

 

[thusk]

Just giving you gibson stats

Last season

-With both Manson/lindholm in the line up
0.920%
-Without manson only
0.846%
-With lindholm Only
N/A
- without both
0.874%

2020-2021
-With both
0.927
-Without manson only
0.900
-without lindholm
0.914
-Without both
0.870%

2019-2020
-with both
0.906
-without Manson
0.924%
-without lindholm
0.886%
-without both
0.892%

Telling Gibson had 3 bad season is not true, the reality is Gibson played like an elite goalie except during 2019-2020 when everybody was healthy and was trash when he missed his 2 best defensive dman and played with an AHL d.

 

[DavidBL]

quite a bit more because Nylander won't fall off the map like Ryan did, completely different style of game

That's speculative at best..

 

[bsu]

Just giving you gibson stats

Last season

-With both Manson/lindholm in the line up
0.920%
-Without manson only
0.846%
-With lindholm Only
N/A
- without both
0.874%

2020-2021
-With both
0.927
-Without manson only
0.900
-without lindholm
0.914
-Without both
0.870%

2019-2020
-with both
0.906
-without Manson
0.924%
-without lindholm
0.886%
-without both
0.892%

Telling Gibson had 3 bad season is not true, the reality is Gibson played like an elite goalie except during 2019-2020 when everybody was healthy and was trash when he missed his 2 best defensive dman and played with an AHL d.

Thank you for typing all this out. Gibson is much much better than almost all the goalies we just watched in the playoffs. Just watch a game and see what he has to deal with and you'll also see how good he is.

 

[KevinRedkey]

quite a bit more because Nylander won't fall off the map like Ryan did, completely different style of game

You're using hindsight when you shouldn't be. No one thought Ryan would fall off the map at the time, just like no one thinks Nylander will.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

No false accusations he stated it factually, also with all due respect I could care less what you like or dislike.

What made it a factual statement?

And you cared enough to reply...

 

[Zur En Arrh]

Just giving you gibson stats

Last season

-With both Manson/lindholm in the line up
0.920%
-Without manson only
0.846%
-With lindholm Only
N/A
- without both
0.874%

2020-2021
-With both
0.927
-Without manson only
0.900
-without lindholm
0.914
-Without both
0.870%

2019-2020
-with both
0.906
-without Manson
0.924%
-without lindholm
0.886%
-without both
0.892%

Telling Gibson had 3 bad season is not true, the reality is Gibson played like an elite goalie except during 2019-2020 when everybody was healthy and was trash when he missed his 2 best defensive dman and played with an AHL d.

so the best way to go about things is sign cambell, trade marazek and sign Manson.. Got it!!

 

[tomd]

Only thing I've really learned from this thread is that whichever way Dubas goes in goal at least half of the Toronto fanbase will be upset.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Just giving you gibson stats

Last season

-With both Manson/lindholm in the line up
0.920%
-Without manson only
0.846%
-With lindholm Only
N/A
- without both
0.874%

2020-2021
-With both
0.927
-Without manson only
0.900
-without lindholm
0.914
-Without both
0.870%

2019-2020
-with both
0.906
-without Manson
0.924%
-without lindholm
0.886%
-without both
0.892%

Telling Gibson had 3 bad season is not true, the reality is Gibson played like an elite goalie except during 2019-2020 when everybody was healthy and was trash when he missed his 2 best defensive dman and played with an AHL d.

So if Rielly and Muzzin get injured we're done is what I'm gathering from this. Campbell was putting up Vezina numbers when everyone was healthy and things were going well, we don't need another goalie we have to make excuses for.

 

[Irie]

Just giving you gibson stats

Last season

-With both Manson/lindholm in the line up
0.920%
-Without manson only
0.846%
-With lindholm Only
N/A
- without both
0.874%

2020-2021
-With both
0.927
-Without manson only
0.900
-without lindholm
0.914
-Without both
0.870%

2019-2020
-with both
0.906
-without Manson
0.924%
-without lindholm
0.886%
-without both
0.892%

Telling Gibson had 3 bad season is not true, the reality is Gibson played like an elite goalie except during 2019-2020 when everybody was healthy and was trash when he missed his 2 best defensive dman and played with an AHL d.

I do not know where you are getting your stats, but I believe they are wrong.

Our Database comes right off the NHL boxscores, and it says that games Manson and Lindholm played, Gibson faced 910 shots and made 835 saves for a .9176 save percentage. (not .920% - That does not include shots other goalies faced when he was either pulled or shots other goalies faced when he replaced someone else that was pulled.)

Lindholm played all games Gibson played in while Manson was on the team, and Gibson had 382 saves on 435 shots while Manson was out for a 8.78% save percentage. (not .846%)

I did not bother parsing the rest of your numbers, but I am assuming my results would be different there as well.

Please feel feel free to correct these numbers if they are wrong, but if they are correct, you should edit your post to reflect the factual numbers.

 

[thusk]

I do not know where you are getting your stats, but I believe they are wrong.

Our Database comes right off the NHL boxscores, and it says that games Manson and Lindholm played, Gibson faced 910 shots and made 835 saves for a .9176 save percentage. (not .920% - That does not include shots other goalies faced when he was either pulled or shots other goalies faced when he replaced someone else that was pulled.)

Lindholm played all games Gibson played in while Manson was on the team, and Gibson had 382 saves on 435 shots while Manson was out for a 8.78% save percentage. (not .846%)

I did not bother parsing the rest of your numbers, but I am assuming my results would be different there as well.

Please feel feel free to correct these numbers if they are wrong, but if they are correct, you should edit your post to reflect the factual numbers.

I took official NHL game log 1 by on and i calculated. I took every game gibson started and manson and/or lindholm was in/out starting line up.

Last season Gibson faced 1108 shot and allowed 89 goal for a sv of 0.920 when both was in starting line up

Gibson faced 267 during 10 game manson was out during his injuries and allowed 41 goal between january 31 to mars 10. He saved 226 of 267 shot for a 0.846%.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

What made it a factual statement?

And you cared enough to reply...

You never answered my question, why are you so invested in a conversation you weren't a part of ?

 

[BlueBaron]

So, now you are assuming you know what Gibson wants. Priceless.

Look give it up. Toronto/Leaf fans want/need a good goalie. Everyone knows that.

But, its also equally obvious you aren't considering the other teams needs, or if they are even interested in making a trade. The whole world does not revolve around what the Leafs & its fans needs.

You are absolutely right, it has to work for both sides.

Leaf fans know we have limited assets which are largely future based.

From what I've seen your team is rumored to be open to moving him and we rumored to have liked him awhile. But this does not makes our assets compatible.

I consider us at the tire kicking stage. It's said Washington is the only other playoff looking for a goalie and their top rumored guy is FA Campbell.

I threw out Robertson and 23 1rst based on Kuemper's return. It's been pointed out Gibson has more term but is also coming off a weak stretch in performance. No one responded or countered. It feels like Duck fans want a bigger return which is cool. We will get more anxious and might pay more if free agency is a fail. For now we are cautious. Try not to get annoyed, we're trying.

 

[Golden_Jet]

No he was stating his opinion as fact when its not. Everyone has opinions some good some bad, I have no problem with either and can agree or disagree.

No idea, why you’re so hung up on that poster, poster never said “fact”, it was an opinion, just like yours, saying it won’t cost 2 seconds. Does that make your opinion fact as well then. Time to move on lol.
Your making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

You never answered my question, why are you so invested in a conversation you weren't a part of ?

Isn't this an open board?

If you want to have a private conversation, you should know what to do...

Also, very funny that you wrote: "with all due respect I could care less what you like or dislike."

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

No idea, why you’re so hung up on that poster, poster never said “fact”, it was an opinion, just like yours, saying it won’t cost 2 seconds. Does that make your opinion fact as well then. Time to move on lol.
Your making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

I spoke to the poster a few days ago. Since then I've been speaking to posters like yourself who weren't involved in the initial interaction. It would have been done and over with if people like yourself knew how to mind their own business.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So if Rielly and Muzzin get injured we're done is what I'm gathering from this. Campbell was putting up Vezina numbers when everyone was healthy and things were going well, we don't need another goalie we have to make excuses for.

it doesn’t seem like goalies get excuses inToronto fan base mind, it seems like the over payed stars do. The goalies tend to get the blame

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Isn't this an open board?

If you want to have a private conversation, you should know what to do...

Also, very funny that you wrote: "with all due respect I could care less what you like or dislike."

Glad you found it funny, its the truth but I'm glad it put a smile on your face.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I took official NHL game log 1 by on and i calculated. I took every game gibson started and manson and/or lindholm was in/out starting line up.

Last season Gibson faced 1108 shot and allowed 89 goal for a sv of 0.920 when both was in starting line up

Gibson faced 267 during 10 game manson was out during his injuries and allowed 41 goal between january 31 to mars 10. He saved 226 of 267 shot for a 0.846%.

If I remember correctly Anaheim was missing a lot of players during the Manson period.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I spoke to the poster a few days ago. Since then I've been speaking to posters like yourself who weren't involved in the initial interaction. It would have been done and over with if people like yourself knew how to mind their own business.

Because you went on and on about fact, when it’s an opinion, you brought it on yourself lol.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

it doesn’t seem like goalies get excuses inToronto fan base mind, it seems like the over payed stars do. The goalies tend to get the blame

I dont think Jack lost us any of our series he was involved in. That being said he didn't steal a single game either. Hes a 3.5 to 4 million starter so he gave us more then his contract value in the playoffs this year. Gibson on the other hand is the goalie you hope steals a few and matches play with the best goalies in the league.

Because you went on and on about fact, when it’s an opinion, you brought it on yourself lol.

Then don't complain about it continuing to go on and on when your the one keeping it going.

 

[bsu]

My dad could beat your dad up