Value of: Joel Eriksson Ek

[Joseph Nathan]

It’s absurd. Does that help?

It's absurd? Because you as a Colorado fan can't deal with facr Minnesota isn't trading Eriksson Ek and your mad about it? Wild fans, gm and owner doesn't care what you think

It’s absurd. Does that help?



That’s been established. What’s you’re point if you even have one?

That Minnesota isn't rebuilding and Eriksson Ek isn't getting traded. That's the point.

 

[John Mandalorian]

It's absurd? Because you as a Colorado fan can't deal with facr Minnesota isn't trading Eriksson Ek and your mad about it? Wild fans, gm and owner doesn't care what you think


That Minnesota isn't rebuilding and Eriksson Ek isn't getting traded. That's the point.

Who’s mad? The Avs have won recently. Stupid area of focus by you. Can’t deal with the fact?

 

[AKL]

But the anti tank thing is what seems to be the bravado behind a lot of boasts. It’s easy to say he’s worth McDavid or Makar when you know that’s unlikely and he’s unlikely to be traded otherwise.

Let's work on separating "worth McDavid or Makar" from "it would take McDavid or Makar to get me to move him". It really is two separate ideas.

I'm not gonna answer for the guy who said he wouldn't trade Ek for Draisaitl, that's the same poster who thought Spurgeon for Draisaitl as a base was a good starting point, but you need to understand Wild fans and Wild management are in agreement on one thing: no one wants to trade Ek. So when someone asks "what would it take", we're not going to respond with something like a prospect, a roster player and a 1st, because even though you may perceive that as fair value, it doesn't make us want to trade him.

Take any player from your own roster that you and your management really like and ask yourself if you'd trade them for fair value, or if you'd rather keep them barring a massive overpayment (Makar for Ek type overpayment).

 

[John Mandalorian]

Let's work on separating "worth McDavid or Makar" from "it would take McDavid or Makar to get me to move him". It really is two separate ideas.

I'm not gonna answer for the guy who said he wouldn't trade Ek for Draisaitl, that's the same poster who thought Spurgeon for Draisaitl as a base was a good starting point, but you need to understand Wild fans and Wild management are in agreement on one thing: no one wants to trade Ek. So when someone asks "what would it take", we're not going to respond with something like a prospect, a roster player and a 1st, because even though you may perceive that as fair value, it doesn't make us want to trade him.

Take any player from your own roster that you and your management really like and ask yourself if you'd trade them for fair value, or if you'd rather keep them barring a massive overpayment (Makar for Ek type overpayment).

Since you engaged me. I will say, JEE is an excellent player. But there’s some absurdity that’s been happening here. If you’re waiting on these elevated trades, you’ll be waiting a long time.

 

[lionsDen]

Aww. Sounds like we'll both get over it though, eh?

Coming from such a petty guy I highly doubt it. You do you though

 

[AKL]

Since you engaged me. I will say, JEE is an excellent player. But there’s some absurdity that’s been happening here. If you’re waiting on these elevated trades, you’ll be waiting a long time.

That's the point though, no one's waiting on them because we don't want to trade him. At least, speaking for myself, if I say it would take MacKinnon for me to trade Ek, I'm not sitting here thinking that's realistic in the slightest, or that Ek is worth that. But when an Avs fan asks what it would take, I'm also not going to say Gulyayev, Ritchie and a 1st, because I wouldn't legitimately want to make that trade, even if that might be closer to his actual value in a vacuum.

And I'll grant you what you said earlier- if it turned out that Guerin was actively shopping Ek, the asks from Wild fans would be a lot more reasonable than McDavid, MacKinnon, or Makar, but he's not available, so it's kinda moot.

 

[John Mandalorian]

That's the point though, no one's waiting on them because we don't want to trade him. At least, speaking for myself, if I say it would take MacKinnon for me to trade Ek, I'm not sitting here thinking that's realistic in the slightest, or that Ek is worth that. But when an Avs fan asks what it would take, I'm also not going to say Gulyayev, Ritchie and a 1st, because I wouldn't legitimately want to make that trade, even if that might be closer to his actual value in a vacuum.

You’ve compared MacKinnon, an elite level center on a proven championship team to something who is very good but not that. Prepare to be crushed.

 

[AKL]

You’ve compared MacKinnon, an elite level center on a proven championship team to something who is very good but not that.

I'm not comparing them.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I'm not comparing them.

Except you have.

 

[AKL]

Except you have.

When? When I said I'm not thinking Ek for MacK is realistic, nor is Ek worth MacK? That shouldn't be a controversial stance. MacKinnon IS better than Ek.

 

[MK9]

Coming from such a petty guy I highly doubt it. You do you though

 

[thestonedkoala]

JEE is the perfect player to build around as he's 25/26. Minnesota has a bunch of young talent coming in and already on the team:

Yurov is tearing it up in the KHL and the Wild could have an all Russian line of:

Khusnutdinov - Yurov - Kaprizov in a few seasons
Zuccarello - Rossi - Boldy
Johansson - Eriksson-Ek - Foligno/Hartman
Duhaime/Johansson-Eriksson-Ek - Foligno/Hartman

Dewar is also a good reserved player. Then you have Ohgren, Heidt, Haight, Lorenz and Stramel all developing. Eriksson-Ek should be the guy you build the team around like Bergeron.

 

[57special]

You’ve compared MacKinnon, an elite level center on a proven championship team to something who is very good but not that. Prepare to be crushed.

How did you get that out of what he wrote? He said, and I quote, "I'm not sitting here thinking that's realistic in the slightest".

 

[Sota Popinski]

You’ve compared MacKinnon, an elite level center on a proven championship team to something who is very good but not that. Prepare to be crushed.

Have you been huffing spray paint?

 

[Double Dion]

If there's a difference between prime Backlund and Danault defensively and JEEK its marginal and I lean JEEK. Meanwhile the difference between JEEK and these players on skill is significant.

I've basically restated what you've said only giving JEEK the respect he deserves.

The difference between current old Backlund and JEE defensively presently still favors Backlund by a fair bit. JEE isn't as good defensively as either Backlund or Danault. He's in their category in terms of Plat driving and better offensively. It's why I said his impact is similar.

 

[Al Lagoon]

Haha, this thread has degenerated into crap.

Put aside the crazy talk about what it would take nonsense.

The Wild aren't trading him, and no GM is gonna get crazy to acquire him.

What he brings for his cap hit is great for the Wild, hurray for them.

 

[Spurgeon]

You’ve compared MacKinnon, an elite level center on a proven championship team to something who is very good but not that. Prepare to be crushed.

I’d rather have 2 Eks & an additional $2.1M in cap space than 1 MacKinnon.

 

[Groo]

I’d rather have 2 Eks & an additional $2.1M in cap space than 1 MacKinnon.

Why stop at two?
Too funny

 

[John Mandalorian]

I’d rather have 2 Eks & an additional $2.1M in cap space than 1 MacKinnon.

Well, you’ll only have 1 Ek. And you’ll most likely have nothing to show for it.

 

[MNRube]

Well, you’ll only have 1 Ek. And you’ll most likely have nothing to show for it.

Do you want us to call someone for you? You seem unwell.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Do you want us to call someone for you? You seem unwell.

It’s fine. It’s also amusing calling out super star players that have rings in this context.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Some people just can't control themselves when they see two names in the same sentence, no matter what the other words are.

 

[AslanRH]

You’ve compared MacKinnon, an elite level center on a proven championship team to something who is very good but not that. Prepare to be crushed.

he really didn't. Perhaps it is time to disengage.
The flaw in this thread is that nobody on either side thinks JEE is really available and this is just a tire fire that made it to page 5

 

[John Mandalorian]

he really didn't. Perhaps it is time to disengage.
The flaw in this thread is that nobody on either side thinks JEE is really available and this is just a tire fire that made it to page 5

Whether its believable or not is a valid question. But there was that report of the Avs inquiring.

And yes he did when yeah he referred to requisite value.

 

[MuckOG]

Whether its believable or not is a valid question. But there was that report of the Avs inquiring.

And yes he did when yeah he referred to requisite value.

Did you even read the below bolded parts? Or did you see see "MacKinnon" and automatically think he meant that Mackinnon is "requisite value"?

At least, speaking for myself, if I say it would take MacKinnon for me to trade Ek, I'm not sitting here thinking that's realistic in the slightest, or that Ek is worth that. But when an Avs fan asks what it would take, I'm also not going to say Gulyayev, Ritchie and a 1st, because I wouldn't legitimately want to make that trade, even if that might be closer to his actual value in a vacuum.

Nobody thinks that MacKinnon and Ek are equal in terms of value. The point is that while on paper Ek is probably worth a 1st and a few throw-in players, his worth to the Wild (on ice and contract) makes that a deal that no one associated with the team would ever consider making.