Proposal: Joel Edmundson to Oilers

[JT3]

Eddy may not return a first like a lot of Habs fans are hoping, but he is not a cap dump and he will return more than a mid-round pick. NHL GM's continue to show they value big, physical d-men that shine in the playoffs. And at 1.75m for a guy who can play #5 or step into a #4 role that is good value. Anyone saying he is a dump is out to lunch.

It's also worth mentioning that Eddy is a far better zone defender than man to man. If you look at the fancy stats for Eddy in a man-to-man system and try to judge him based on that it won't go well. He's best suited going to a team that plays zone D.

 

[McSuper]

How about this one -

To Edmonton: Joel Edmundson (50 percent retained)

To Montreal: 2023 1st round pick, 2024 conditional 2nd round pick (condition is if the Oilers make it to the cup finals in 2023), and a cap dump of either Derek Ryan or Mattias Janmark (their choice).

Oilers get their physical defenseman, with retention for two years, without giving up a current prospect, and they clear some cap by dumping a player. Habs get their 1st round pick they've been after, a lottery ticket on the potential second rounder and take back a body.

The Oilers can then turn around and retain on Edmundson once again, if they wanted to move him in the second year, and recoup some of the price they paid to acquire him.

Close?

F no it not close. How about Montreal retains 50% and give us their 1st for taking this cap dump. If Puljujarvi with 5/8 of the season left (2 million owed) is a cap dump then Edmundson is for sure a cap dump and his stats show he is. Worse D in the NHL statistically speaking.

Would need a slow moving vehicle sign on him to play with McDavid

 

[McSuper]

He'll get big offer for Eddy. He's big heavy veteran defense man on cheap contract. They valuable in playoffs. Cup contending team their pick be around 30. It's no brainer

? A no brainer as in the GM that gives up a 1st for him has no brains? I agree but I don't see it happening.

The Habs should probably keep Edmundson for the tank.

5th worth GA/60 in the entire league for regular defensemen.

Oh I see he improved.

 

[Jerkbait]

Literally not even our number one goalie right now. Skinner is and his numbers are great but thanks for coming out. Edmundson doesn't move the needle for any playoff team unless they wanna throw away picks or prospects for a guy that'll ultimately disappoint come may.

Wrong...Edmondson would be a solid pickup for a seroius playoff contender . A team like Toronto would be a good fit. Your issue is you dint have a seroius contending team...of course makes no sense for Oilers who need a complete bottom 6 , 2 more D and a goalie....
Schools out but thanks for coming out novice ..

 

[CAUFIELD]

Edmundson will return a 1st no doubt if traded at 50% retained for 1.5 years. 1,75m$ is a bargain.

#4 D man , physical , good 1st pass. play him with your offensive Dman and Eddy will take care of the defensive side.

 

[ole ole]

"Eddy" has been playing like Ryan Murray this year. It's like he thinks he's already been traded and passing to the other team at a level I've never seen before.
He is a cap dump

Imagine all that and he's still been better than Puljujarvi.

 

[Habs Halifax]

With Bettman today saying next year's cap will increase only $1m, Montreal will probably need to retain salary to move him, regardless of the eventual return.

The cap news isn't just a bad thing for MTL/Edmundson, but the deadline market entire.

Bettman said no different vs what he said a few months ago. It's according to schedule and there is a chance they may be ahead of schedule. Still about 75% of the season left or just under.

One area Bettman won't talk about to the media is the part of the MOU that says both sides will review the cap as the balance is paid off in terms of not shocking the system. They likely don't want to go from $83.5M to $90M after next season.

My bet is $85M for 23/24 with a high escrow. But if it is $83.5M, that's not bad news for Eddy, it's good news. Less cap means value contracts are more valuable. Habs retaining 50% on Eddy puts him at $1.75M for this season and next. Good luck finding a type like him for that rate.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I suspect that Kulak is a better D.
He is our #5D, and shouldnt be played higher.
Oilers need a #2-3D
1Ds never gets traded. They get draftes or FA signed.

Nah... Kulak is not the better D. You're reaching on that one to devalue Eddy. Kulak is a bottom pairing quality or depth type guy. He plays some good games and some bad. Not as consistent as Eddy. Kulak does have the ability to play top 4D but not for prolonged stretches and definitely not playoffs.

Personally, I am not sure the Oilers are the right fit for Eddy as well. Barrie might be the best guy to pair him with but if you are happy with Kulak and want someone better than Eddy, I don't blame you.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think the Habs lack the personnel to help fix Edm defense.

That said Edmunson for a 3rd to shore up the 3rd pair....sure.

You may be right cause the Oilers might need someone better than Eddy but some are guilty thinking you can get someone like Edmondson for a 3rd rounder. Habs won't trade him for even just a 2nd rounder. He's got a very fair contract and it's not just a one year rental.

Habs will retain 50% if we have too in order to get the best future return. Retention this season won't hurt us and $1.75M next season won't hurt us either.

Eddy might be a good fit for Barrie. However, I would not acquire him thinking he can mentor or work well with Bouchard or Broberg. Eddy is at his best when he is playing with a guy like Petry and he's not showing the same results with our rookies.

 

[calder candidate]

The issue is that EDM is a playoff team but they aren’t contender… I think a team that is all in, like maybe BOS will be in on Edmundson to solidify there top4, set a very high price and also take a option away for team that might be looking to add D to load up going into the playoff like TOR, NYR, VGK, LA, DET, Edm or TB…

 

[calder candidate]

You may be right cause the Oilers might need someone better than Eddy but some are guilty thinking you can get someone like Edmondson for a 3rd rounder. Habs won't trade him for even just a 2nd rounder. He's got a very fair contract and it's not just a one year rental.

Habs will retain 50% if we have too in order to get the best future return. Retention this season won't hurt us and $1.75M next season won't hurt us either.

Eddy might be a good fit for Barrie. However, I would not acquire him thinking he can mentor or work well with Bouchard or Broberg. Eddy is at his best when he is playing with a guy like Petry and he's not showing the same results with our rookies.

He isn’t showing the same result with rookie because they are my has good or make more mistake, Edmundson has been playing well he miss the start of the season and MTL is just a below avg team and with lot of growing pain.

Bouchard or Barry would both be a lot better off with Edmundson, even Nurse might be better with Edmundson playing RD than playing with Ceci… The price is the issue but I just don’t any better player available for less and especially since he has the 2nd season a team that isn’t all in this season can’t be trading asset for pure rental especially if they don’t have the cap to resign them.

 

[HuGort]

Kypreos on Tim and Friends last night, said there is a lot of fire Edmunston going to Oilers. Return is 2nd and a 3rd.

Maybe, just me speculating, but Habs flip that 2nd with Hoffman for Boerser?

 

[Habs Halifax]

He isn’t showing the same result with rookie because they are my has good or make more mistake, Edmundson has been playing well he miss the start of the season and MTL is just a below avg team and with lot of growing pain.

Bouchard or Barry would both be a lot better off with Edmundson, even Nurse might be better with Edmundson playing RD than playing with Ceci… The price is the issue but I just don’t any better player available for less and especially since he has the 2nd season a team that isn’t all in this season can’t be trading asset for pure rental especially if they don’t have the cap to resign them.

Not sure. That's up to the Oilers to decide. I do think Edmundson has had success by playing with a puck mover that is not young. Eddy is the type to pass it to his center or puck moving partner. If he has to rely on his partner who is a rookie and may make the wrong play, the results change. I see Barrie as a fit. Maybe Nurse but he is not really a puck mover.... however, he does have experience and it might fit. Would be a nasty pair to go up against in the offensive zone for the playoffs though

Hoffman is one we would like to move so we would likely trade him for whatever just to unload him. Dadonov and Drouin are likely just going to expire. Eddy and Anderson are not guys we are desperate to trade. Make them call you, not the other way around.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Kypreos on Tim and Friends last night, said there is a lot of fire Edmunston going to Oilers. Return is 2nd and a 3rd.

Maybe, just me speculating, but Habs flip that 2nd with Hoffman for Boerser?

Keep the 2nd and use the 3rd. Hoffman is older than Boeser but that don't really matter that much cause they have less than 2 years left. Hoffman is producing similar to Boeser to some degree and both are proven to score 20+ goals with flaws to their game as middle 6F types. Cap space is also a factor and Canucks save cap on the Hoffman/Boeser trade. I would not give a 2nd in that case. 3rd yes.

I'd consider this move when you boil it all down
Eddy and Hoffman
for
Boeser and a 2nd.

It's possible we trade Eddy to unblock our guys on D. 2nd and 3rd rounder is a meh return and you could get more at the deadline but maybe it's a necessary evil to do now.

 

[SwedishFire]

Nah... Kulak is not the better D. You're reaching on that one to devalue Eddy. Kulak is a bottom pairing quality or depth type guy. He plays some good games and some bad. Not as consistent as Eddy. Kulak does have the ability to play top 4D but not for prolonged stretches and definitely not playoffs.

Personally, I am not sure the Oilers are the right fit for Eddy as well. Barrie might be the best guy to pair him with but if you are happy with Kulak and want someone better than Eddy, I don't blame you.

Were happy with Kulak, and he does a good job cleaning up after Barrie.
This Eddy type, rhou many says he looks bad. A shell of his former self.

 

[McSuper]

Edmundson will return a 1st no doubt if traded at 50% retained for 1.5 years. 1,75m$ is a bargain.

#4 D man , physical , good 1st pass. play him with your offensive Dman and Eddy will take care of the defensive side.

Depends on the level of play. Statistically Edmundton was the worst D in the NHL last year. This year he is up to 5 worst. So 1.75M is not a bargain. If he so good keep him to help your young d men along. Oilers fans want no part of him here unless it for Puljujarvi. Every proposal to other team has been reject by their fans for a reason. I get it only takes 1 dumb GM and as dumb as Holland may be at times he doesn't trade 1st as he is trying to build depth for a long run in Edmonton. I rather pay 2 1st for Gavrikov then 1 for Edmundton

 

[SwedishFire]

Depends on the level of play. Statistically Edmundton was the worst D in the NHL last year. This year he is up to 5 worst. So 1.75M is not a bargain. If he so good keep him to help your young d men along. Oilers fans want no part of him here unless it for Puljujarvi. Every proposal to other team has been reject by their fans for a reason. I get it only takes 1 dumb GM and as dumb as Holland may be at times he doesn't trade 1st as he is trying to build depth for a long run in Edmonton. I rather pay 2 1st for Gavrikov then 1 for Edmundton

Dont know even if pulju for edmundson is good, after hearing how much he has declined after injury. Pulju even plays better, and more physichal now.

 

[calder candidate]

Kypreos on Tim and Friends last night, said there is a lot of fire Edmunston going to Oilers. Return is 2nd and a 3rd.

Maybe, just me speculating, but Habs flip that 2nd with Hoffman for Boerser?

The thing there is a lot of smoke because he fill a big need for EDM I don’t see the return being a 2nd + 3rd maybe 2x2nd + 3rd or how that work for EDM cap wise… but they can do multiple move they don’t need to fix everything in one trade.

Unless MTL want to jump start the tank by moving Eddy I don’t see it for less than a over payment. Edmundson still has one years is value at the next TDL will be 2nd or a 3rd at worst so why move him right now 2nd + 3rd MTL has so many pick in the few last years that they are looking for Quality not Quantity, They are better to hold the price very high and wait for a team to flinch, because best case you get tremendous value and worst case you trade him next year for very similar return or lose him for free via UFA, so you aren’t passing up much, fair value isn’t moving the needle for MTL vs. what Edmundson can bring to a team that lack reliable defense and playoff experience, that is why MTL is banking on one team flinching at the TDL and it might not be EDM, but team like EDM weakness are so apparent it actually put pressure on other teams also looking for D knowing there is a market and demand.

 

[calder candidate]

Depends on the level of play. Statistically Edmundton was the worst D in the NHL last year. This year he is up to 5 worst. So 1.75M is not a bargain. If he so good keep him to help your young d men along. Oilers fans want no part of him here unless it for Puljujarvi. Every proposal to other team has been reject by their fans for a reason. I get it only takes 1 dumb GM and as dumb as Holland may be at times he doesn't trade 1st as he is trying to build depth for a long run in Edmonton. I rather pay 2 1st for Gavrikov then 1 for Edmundton

What statistics are you referring too?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Were happy with Kulak, and he does a good job cleaning up after Barrie.
This Eddy type, rhou many says he looks bad. A shell of his former self.

I'm pretty sure you would have said the same thing or worse about Kulak last season if a 2nd for Kulak was proposed.

Habs fans don't lie for the most part. We know what we were trading with Kulak and we know what we are trading with Eddy. We also knew what we were trading with Toffoli, Lehkonen, and Chiarot and many other fans laughed in our face about our asking prices.

Eddy > Kulak.

Dont know even if pulju for edmundson is good, after hearing how much he has declined after injury. Pulju even plays better, and more physichal now.

Not saying you are wrong but man... if Pulju was drafted by the Habs and we tried to defend him like that, we would be accused of "overrating our players" in an obsessive way.

Puljujarvi is going through that up/down rollercoaster ride again. He's a NHL asset (middle 6F) but a frustrating one no doubt.

 

[HuGort]

The thing there is a lot of smoke because he fill a big need for EDM I don’t see the return being a 2nd + 3rd maybe 2x2nd + 3rd or how that work for EDM cap wise… but they can do multiple move they don’t need to fix everything in one trade.

Unless MTL want to jump start the tank by moving Eddy I don’t see it for less than a over payment. Edmundson still has one years is value at the next TDL will be 2nd or a 3rd at worst so why move him right now 2nd + 3rd MTL has so many pick in the few last years that they are looking for Quality not Quantity, They are better to hold the price very high and wait for a team to flinch, because best case you get tremendous value and worst case you trade him next year for very similar return or lose him for free via UFA, so you aren’t passing up much, fair value isn’t moving the needle for MTL vs. what Edmundson can bring to a team that lack reliable defense and playoff experience, that is why MTL is banking on one team flinching at the TDL and it might not be EDM, but team like EDM weakness are so apparent it actually put pressure on other teams also looking for D knowing there is a market and demand.

Yup i know. Likely what Oilers offered.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Wrong...Edmondson would be a solid pickup for a seroius playoff contender . A team like Toronto would be a good fit. Your issue is you dint have a seroius contending team...of course makes no sense for Oilers who need a complete bottom 6 , 2 more D and a goalie....
Schools out but thanks for coming out novice ..

A solid pickup to bolster their 3rd pair maybe. That's not the type of asset any smart GM moves a 1st for. Not to dig at Toronto really, but they might be the only team who would give up a 1st for him, and that's only if their GM didn't learn from the Foligno deal.

That's the comparable actually. Edmundson is like the Foligno of defensemen. Not that awesome, but might get a 1st based on grit and desperate GM'ing.

I'm pretty sure you would have said the same thing or worse about Kulak last season if a 2nd for Kulak was proposed.

Habs fans don't lie for the most part. We know what we were trading with Kulak and we know what we are trading with Eddy. We also knew what we were trading with Toffoli, Lehkonen, and Chiarot and many other fans laughed in our face about our asking prices.

Eddy > Kulak.



Not saying you are wrong but man... if Pulju was drafted by the Habs and we tried to defend him like that, we would be accused of "overrating our players" in an obsessive way.

Puljujarvi is going through that up/down rollercoaster ride again. He's a NHL asset (middle 6F) but a frustrating one no doubt.

To the bolded - not this year.

 

[Jerkbait]

A solid pickup to bolster their 3rd pair maybe. That's not the type of asset any smart GM moves a 1st for. Not to dig at Toronto really, but they might be the only team who would give up a 1st for him, and that's only if their GM didn't learn from the Foligno deal.

That's the comparable actually. Edmundson is like the Foligno of defensemen. Not that awesome, but might get a 1st based on grit and desperate GM'ing.


To the bolded - not this year.

Wrong. There are several teams that would give a good pick for him. He would instantly become a top 4 on Edmonton or Toronto. Perhaps pitt looks that way if petry is gone long term.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Wrong. There are several teams that would give a good pick for him. He would instantly become a top 4 on Edmonton or Toronto. Perhaps pitt looks that way if petry is gone long term.

He wouldn't make Edmonton's top 4. Not the way he has played this year. Or last.

 

[SwedishFire]

I'm pretty sure you would have said the same thing or worse about Kulak last season if a 2nd for Kulak was proposed.

Habs fans don't lie for the most part. We know what we were trading with Kulak and we know what we are trading with Eddy. We also knew what we were trading with Toffoli, Lehkonen, and Chiarot and many other fans laughed in our face about our asking prices.

Eddy > Kulak.



Not saying you are wrong but man... if Pulju was drafted by the Habs and we tried to defend him like that, we would be accused of "overrating our players" in an obsessive way.

Puljujarvi is going through that up/down rollercoaster ride again. He's a NHL asset (middle 6F) but a frustrating one no doubt.

Pulju is a 3rd liner, who cant accept he should focus on neing a defensive player, wich he is good at. And doesnt understand to practice puckreciving, handling. Thats frustrating to watch.