Proposal: Joel Edmundson to Oilers

[BardownMagic]

Montreal Canadiens , Gorton ,Hughes don't need to trade Edmundson this season including at the trade deadline . Its unlikely Hughes trades Edmundson if he isn't offered a deal that he likes getting what he's asking for in return for Edmundson .

Can’t see him getting a first and anyone who expects more than a #5 will be disappointed

 

[Fourier]

There seems to be a narrative that the going rate for a guy like Edmundson has been a 1st for quite some time. I looked back to 2012 to see which defensemen were dealt in trades involving 1st's. While I may have missed someone here is what I found:

2022	Romanov+4th	Lindholm	Chariot
2021​	OEL	Ristolainen	Savard	Jones
2020​	Karlsson	Skjei
2019​	Trouba	Muzzin	Montour
2018​	McDonagh with Miller
2017​	Shattenkirk
2016​	Yandle	Sekera
2015​	Hamilton	Franson	Coburn
2014​
2013​	Bouwmeester
2012​	Quincey

One interesting thing to note here is that many of these trades involve the Lightning! That said There is no significant evidence here to support a case for a 1st for Edmundson based on precedence.

 

[ole ole]

??
Thats was nothing I speaked of.
But goodbye, thats in common

Post 330.[
[ His problem is to accept he is a defensive dirst player.
If he adresses that, he can defend his 1st round status. He would be a middle 6 forward.]

Post 341. [ Do you want to build a team upon draftday status . Thats ridicolous.]

 

[The Great Weal]

That plus could be a capdump?
Yhat would increase value in that trade.

Jack Campbell + 2nd for Edmundson. I WOULD do it.

You're adding 2 1sts to get rid of that Campbell contract. He's got FOUR more years. Hell even Gallagher's contract might be better.

But yes Edmundson has been awful since the Habs playoff run and has missed lots of time. At that time, he was better than Chiarot but not anymore. I still think he could get a 2nd from a team, he's a cheap dman that can play on the 2nd pair if needed.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

You're adding 2 1sts to get rid of that Campbell contract. He's got FOUR more years. Hell even Gallagher's contract might be better.

But yes Edmundson has been awful since the Habs playoff run and has missed lots of time. At that time, he was better than Chiarot but not anymore. I still think he could get a 2nd from a team, he's a cheap dman that can play on the 2nd pair if needed.

To MTL: Jack Campbell
To EDM: Brendan Galla....*checks capfriendly* oh my word that contract is AWFUL.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Definitely not close at all.

To start, Ryan and Janmark don’t make enough money to be considered cap dumps. If the Oilers wanted to they could remove both of their cap hits essentially in their entirety simply by waiving either player but both bring something to the bottom 6 so I doubt they’d do that.

Getting to value it’s quite frankly awful. Given the cap climate extra years on deals are having great effects on player value, it can be a blessing or a curse, in Edmundson’s case it’s likely the latter. GM’s aren’t going to look at what Edmundson did 2 years ago, they’re going to look at his results this season and by both the eye test and analytically they’ve been very poor. He’s looked slow, missing defensive assignments, struggling with his gap control and struggling to play physically without taking penalties that hurt his team. Then getting into injuries it adds another layer of risk having the second year. He’s about to be 30, was never a strong skater to begin with and missed most of last year with a back injury. There’s strong evidence that shows back injuries are prone to become reoccurring issues especially for older players. Edmundson relies on playing a physical brand of hockey so a bad back could be problematic for his playing style. Then he started the season this year injured, so in less than a season and a half he’s had two injuries that have kept him out for considerable time… not exactly what you want to see in a player you’re considering giving up assets for.

GM’s aren’t going to give up anything of value for Edmundson until closer to the deadline, they’re going to want to see him stay healthy and they’re going to want to see if he’s going to be able to turn his game around and return to being a reliable, physical player who doesn’t bleed goals and hurt his team. In a season where there’s bound to be quite a few sellers as the season goes on, they’re also going to want to see what other options become available on the market.

Hey fair enough, I appreciate your response. My assessment of his value was based on cap and needs, the fact that Kulak went for a second, and that the Oil would be getting him for 50% cost for a second season… and would be giving back an expiring contract themselves. I still think my offer was fair value but I can understand and appreciate your opinion.

Cheers!

 

[SwedishFire]

You're adding 2 1sts to get rid of that Campbell contract. He's got FOUR more years. Hell even Gallagher's contract might be better.

But yes Edmundson has been awful since the Habs playoff run and has missed lots of time. At that time, he was better than Chiarot but not anymore. I still think he could get a 2nd from a team, he's a cheap dman that can play on the 2nd pair if needed.

Gallaghers contracts is freakin' 6,5 millions. 1.5 millions more!! Even if 3 years, thats 2 years shorter, its still a teamkilling cap. The fkk should you do with that contract?? Mtl has to retain at lest 33% if they want to even move it. Good god.. thats an awful contract, close to worse than Lucic.

 

[SwedishFire]

To MTL: Jack Campbell
To EDM: Brendan Galla....*checks capfriendly* oh my word that contract is AWFUL.

I think Mtl, tor is bad tradepartners. Right now with Broberg playing good, I dont know exactly if they need an upgrade. Barrie is a proven producer. But his 4,5m$ makes him hard to trade, so there is not a value to trade. If there was a D to trade, I would trade Barrie thou. If you could. But playing Ds is important, and may takes away pressure from Bouchard.

So what Oilers need is an upgrade on R Murray as a sub D.

 

[The Great Weal]

Gallaghers contracts is freakin' 6,5 millions. 1.5 millions more!! Even if 3 years, thats 2 years shorter, its still a teamkilling cap. The fkk should you do with that contract?? Mtl has to retain at lest 33% if they want to even move it. Good god.. thats an awful contract, close to worse than Lucic.

Jack Campbell's is freaking 5 million! I'd rather have Lucic's, it ends this year... You want to get rid of Campbell without retention or taking back cap dumps it's gonna cost you 2 1sts just like how it would cost the Habs to get rid of Gallagher. They are both similarly atrocious contracts. To pretend that 2nd+Campbell for Edmundson is fair is simply delusional.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Jack Campbell's is freaking 5 million! I'd rather have Lucic's, it ends this year... You want to get rid of Campbell without retention or taking back cap dumps it's gonna cost you 2 1sts just like how it would cost the Habs to get rid of Gallagher. They are both similarly atrocious contracts. To pretend that 2nd+Campbell for Edmundson is fair is simply delusional.

Matt Murray only cost a 3rd and a 7th to move (with 25% some retention).

The fanbase that thinks Joel Edmundson is worth Xavier Bourgault would know a little something about delusional.

 

[The Great Weal]

Matt Murray only cost a 3rd and a 7th to move (with 25% some retention).

The fanbase that thinks Joel Edmundson is worth Xavier Bourgault would know a little something about delusional.

What an awful comparison. Murray costs less, has less term, won 2 cups, and did better on worse teams. Edmunson is far more likely to get Bourgault than Capmbell+2nd so seems like the other fanbase is far more delusional.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

What an awful comparison. Murray costs less, has less term, won 2 cups, and did better on worse teams. Edmunson is far more likely to get Bourgault than Capmbell+2nd so seems like the other fanbase is far more delusional.

Matt Murray was also awful for most of three seasons, not just ten games on a new team. Cup wins are just participation trophies. It takes great teams to win them, individual players having Cup rings doesn't mean anything.

Edmundson has *also* been awful for a lot longer than Campbell has and is just coasting on a reputation of being a playoff performer (which he's not, the Blues cut his ice time and healthy scratched him for Bortuzzo four times).

Just because the Habs fanbase says it's so, doesn't mean it'll come to pass.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Hey fair enough, I appreciate your response. My assessment of his value was based on cap and needs, the fact that Kulak went for a second, and that the Oil would be getting him for 50% cost for a second season… and would be giving back an expiring contract themselves. I still think my offer was fair value but I can understand and appreciate your opinion.

Cheers!

I can definitely see your side and I think Hughes has so far proven to be a shrewd negotiator and could still convince a team to part with a 1st but I’m thinking it’s going to be from a team like Tampa, Boston, Colorado, Vegas. A team that is looking like a really strong contender and is highly likely to end up in the semis or cup final and whose pick is going to be bordering on a 2nd. If Edmundson can improve his play between now and the deadline then one of the mentioned teams might look to add Edmundson at 50% to solidly their 3rd pairing.

Holland has historically not traded 1st and definitely with how the market is shaping up and where the team is at he might be inclined to buck that trend but if so I’m guessing he’s aiming higher then Edmundson even if it means adding additional assets. A player like Gavrikov out of Columbus would be a better target for the Oilers in that case.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I can definitely see your side and I think Hughes has so far proven to be a shrewd negotiator and could still convince a team to part with a 1st but I’m thinking it’s going to be from a team like Tampa, Boston, Colorado, Vegas. A team that is looking like a really strong contender and is highly likely to end up in the semis or cup final and whose pick is going to be bordering on a 2nd. If Edmundson can improve his play between now and the deadline then one of the mentioned teams might look to add Edmundson at 50% to solidly their 3rd pairing.

Holland has historically not traded 1st and definitely with how the market is shaping up and where the team is at he might be inclined to buck that trend but if so I’m guessing he’s aiming higher then Edmundson even if it means adding additional assets. A player like Gavrikov out of Columbus would be a better target for the Oilers in that case.

Edmonton kind of floating under the radar and looking like they'll be a playoff team but more of a 3rd seed in the division instead of winning it might be a blessing in disguise. Holland might be less willing to do something stupid with our 1st or Bourgault that way.

 

[HuGort]

Montreal Canadiens , Gorton ,Hughes don't need to trade Edmundson this season including at the trade deadline . Its unlikely Hughes trades Edmundson if he isn't offered a deal that he likes getting what he's asking for in return for Edmundson .

He'll get big offer for Eddy. He's big heavy veteran defense man on cheap contract. They valuable in playoffs. Cup contending team their pick be around 30. It's no brainer

 

[Tobias Kahun]

He'll get big offer for Eddy. He's big heavy veteran defense man on cheap contract. They valuable in playoffs. Cup contending team their pick be around 30. It's no brainer

3.5 for what he brings isn’t cheap

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Matt Murray was also awful for most of three seasons, not just ten games on a new team. Cup wins are just participation trophies. It takes great teams to win them, individual players having Cup rings doesn't mean anything.

Edmundson has *also* been awful for a lot longer than Campbell has and is just coasting on a reputation of being a playoff performer (which he's not, the Blues cut his ice time and healthy scratched him for Bortuzzo four times).

Just because the Habs fanbase says it's so, doesn't mean it'll come to pass.

Except Edmundson played a solid part for the Habs in their run, too, so it's not just from that one time..

 

[ole ole]

There seems to be a narrative that the going rate for a guy like Edmundson has been a 1st for quite some time. I looked back to 2012 to see which defensemen were dealt in trades involving 1st's. While I may have missed someone here is what I found:

2022	Romanov+4th	Lindholm	Chariot
2021​	OEL	Ristolainen	Savard	Jones
2020​	Karlsson	Skjei
2019​	Trouba	Muzzin	Montour
2018​	McDonagh with Miller
2017​	Shattenkirk
2016​	Yandle	Sekera
2015​	Hamilton	Franson	Coburn
2014​
2013​	Bouwmeester
2012​	Quincey

One interesting thing to note here is that many of these trades involve the Lightening! That said There is no significant evidence here to support a case for a 1st for Edmundson based on precedence.

3.5 for what he brings isn’t cheap

3.5 For Eddy is more than fair.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Except Edmundson played a solid part for the Habs in their run, too, so it's not just from that one time..

As Montreal’s #4, in front of Carey Price, and he got stomped possession wise. How’s he going to fare paired with Cody Ceci or Tyson Barrie instead of Petry or Weber?

 

[SupremeTeam16]

As Montreal’s #4, in front of Carey Price, and he got stomped possession wise. How’s he going to fare paired with Cody Ceci or Tyson Barrie instead of Petry or Weber?

Not to mention 2 years and a back injury later.

It would be a mistake for the Oilers to pursue this player at any cost. They should aim higher.

 

[SwedishFire]

Jack Campbell's is freaking 5 million! I'd rather have Lucic's, it ends this year... You want to get rid of Campbell without retention or taking back cap dumps it's gonna cost you 2 1sts just like how it would cost the Habs to get rid of Gallagher. They are both similarly atrocious contracts. To pretend that 2nd+Campbell for Edmundson is fair is simply delusional.

Yes, that edumdson proposal was just to cooling down delusional fans some. Ya, Campbell contract is already bad. Goalies are fragile, but he is on top. Like Bobrovsky, he could turn it around, but 5bmillions is always 5 millions.

What I meant about Lucic, I compared him to when he was wiyh oilers last year. 4 years at 6m, and a NMC. That sucked.

If Oilers could move out Campbell for another cheaper backup, it would do wonders.
Campbell for Gallagher wouödnt work, because nobody gets anything out of it. Yes, if MTL retains a bit. But they wouldnt.

 

[ole ole]

Yes, that edumdson proposal was just to cooling down delusional fans some. Ya, Campbell contract is already bad. Goalies are fragile, but he is on top. Like Bobrovsky, he could turn it around, but 5bmillions is always 5 millions.

What I meant about Lucic, I compared him to when he was wiyh oilers last year. 4 years at 6m, and a NMC. That sucked.

If Oilers could move out Campbell for another cheaper backup, it would do wonders.
Campbell for Gallagher wouödnt work, because nobody gets anything out of it. Yes, if MTL retains a bit. But they wouldnt.

And Montreal shouldn't retain.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not to mention 2 years and a back injury later.

It would be a mistake for the Oilers to pursue this player at any cost. They should aim higher.

Habs will set the price high on Edmundson but some of us know we might not get it. We would consider retention IMO to get that value if it was at play.

Habs don't have to rush a Edmundson trade. Fans are doing this.

I don't see the Oilers making this move. I agree there

 

[Habs10025]

Can’t see him getting a first and anyone who expects more than a #5 will be disappointed

What do you mean by # 5 ?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Can’t see him getting a first and anyone who expects more than a #5 will be disappointed

He's valuable in terms of experience, plays both sides, and his a big mobile/physical type but lets face it, he's not trending as well as Chiarot did without Weber last season.

Habs are likely to keep Edmundson. We could try the 50% retention to get the best futures we can get and that should get some bites but maybe it's 2nd rounders and B+ prospects instead of a 1st.

Oilers have several holes to fill and it is not probable they use a 1st rounder on Eddy. They will look for a bigger fish and maybe circle to Eddy if he is still available at last moment. Kind of like Kulak for a 2nd last deadline... it happened late