Proposal: Joel Edmundson to Oilers

[SwedishFire]

because Ken Holland sucks at trading, unfortunately.

Yes, but good thing he aint trading peospects or firsts. He is the guy that looks ahead to keep a franchise together, and dont doing big knee jerk moves. Even if the team would need that. So Broberg, Holloway, XB wont be traded, and not the first either. Problem comes with that is that oilers defense wont be addressed - its not patience of Hollands philosophy. He is in one world right - you will cry if a move doesnt work out, and be glad Holland stayed the course. But it also means prime years will be wasted once again.
But even Holland wont throw out 1st out of the window for broken has beens.

 

[ole ole]

Who do you talk about?
Edmundson or Pulju?

Well Eddy helps our team. From what i have read lately is Pulju has been complete trash this season.
Also if Pulju is leading your team in hits then there is a deeper problem.

 

[SwedishFire]

Well Eddy helps our team. From what i have read lately is Pulju has been complete trash this season.
Also if Pulju is leading your team in hits then there is a deeper problem.

Why would it be a bad thing for the team?? You dont know the content at all. Jesse has lost a bit of his scoring - yes. But he has practiced his physicjal game a lot, wich mean major improvement. He has some good things in his game, but he has the most fragile confidence to be seen at NHL level. In a vacuum, Edmundson is a more useful player today, even if he is a shell of what has been. But if Puljujärvi accepts that he is better defensivly than a goalscorer - there is a hardworking, useful teamplayer. He hasnt accepted that yet.

Oilers has some hitters, so its not about Oilers being a soft team, ots about Puljujärvi addressing critism from last season and stepping up.
Nurse, Fogele, Kane, Draisaitl, Hyman is other heavy hitters, but Pulju is the leader of the pack. Now - if E Kane would been healthy he would be the leader probably, but anyway. Good on Jesse!

 

[ole ole]

Yes, but good thing he aint trading peospects or firsts. He is the guy that looks ahead to keep a franchise together, and dont doing big knee jerk moves. Even if the team would need that. So Broberg, Holloway, XB wont be traded, and not the first either. Problem comes with that is that oilers defense wont be addressed - its not patience of Hollands philosophy. He is in one world right - you will cry if a move doesnt work out, and be glad Holland stayed the course. But it also means prime years will be wasted once again.
But even Holland wont throw out 1st out of the window for broken has beens.

Well we did well last time we traded. If i'm correct didn't that 2 rd pick we got for Kulak turn into Lane Hutson?

 

[SwedishFire]

Well we did well last time we traded. If i'm correct didn't that 2 rd pick we got for Kulak turn into Lane Hutson?

I was talking about oilers and Hollands Philosopjy, if you missed that. Well, never mind.

Edumunson forced to Oilers is a non-trade, and wont happen. We rest that case. Now we go on.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

If he gets moved, just like with Chiarot, there won't be a fanbase that wants to move a 1st for him.

It doesn't mean he won't get one, but I doubt any fanbase on here will want to pay it.

After chiarot I doubt anyone is gonna waste a first on another over valued defensive defenseman.

 

[ole ole]

I was talking about oilers and Hollands Philosopjy, if you missed that. Well, never mind.

Edumunson forced to Oilers is a non-trade, and wont happen. We rest that case. Now we go on.

I don't think you can force any player anywhere. Could a trade happen between the two. Sure. But i believe the value would lay in between what both are wanting and offering.

 

[pth2]

Edmunston for Oilers first pick. He's better than Kulak who went for a 2nd and a 7th.

I'd rather have the pick than Bourgault. Q offensive players can fool ya.

Then again, Bourgault would fit in better with the Suzuki-centered core we've already got. Of course it all comes down to whether or not our scouts think he's a worthwhile prospect.

I'd add though that Hughes has mentioned he prefers getting prospects with some development in them rather than just picks. While he did get 1sts for Chiarot and Toffoli, for Lehkonen the main piece was a prospect, and we got Heinemann as well for Toffoli.

 

[HuGort]

If Edmundson is worth a 1st then how many 1sts is Gavrikov/Chychrun/Gostisbehere/Orlov worth? How many 1sts are P.Kane/Horvat/Meier/Monahan going to get?

Contracts too right. Actually, Edmunston worth more than a first. He's signed next year on cheap deal. Chiarot was a rental look what he returned? Same as Savard? Kulak also?

We just want going rate. Been proved over and over again. Edmunston is playoff type defenseman. He's big and physical can play either side.

I wanted the first instead of B because Q prospect generally numbers are inflated. A second line winger I see his ceiling. But how much better will he be than a Mesar or Farrell? He's a redundant piece to us

 

[Homesick]

Contracts too right. Actually, Edmunston worth more than a first. He's signed next year on cheap deal. Chiarot was a rental look what he returned? Same as Savard? Kulak also?

We just want going rate. Been proved over and over again. Edmunston is playoff type defenseman. He's big and physical can play either side.

I wanted the first instead of B because Q prospect generally numbers are inflated. A second line winger I see his ceiling. But how much better will he be than a Mesar or Farrell? He's a redundant piece to us

Please tell me what Edmundson has done over the past 1+ seasons to deserve a first plus?
Don't give a shit what he did 2-4 year's ago because players slow down with age.

 

[BardownMagic]

Please tell me what Edmundson has done over the past 1+ seasons to deserve a first plus?
Don't give a shit what he did 2-4 year's ago because players slow down with age.

He plays for montreal so that means his value = on ice results + canadiens prestige as per usual this works out to a first+

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Someone pays a 1st for Edmundson they’re gonna regret it more then Panthers regret paying a 1st for Chiarot. Oilers are in a tight spot with cap so they can’t afford to take a risk and that’s all Edmundson is.

He’s a guy about to be on the wrong side of 30, who’s never been a tremendous skater, who’s game is built on a physical brand of hockey and who has a recent back injury.

I’ve been watching a lot of Edmundson recently because he’s been floated as available. He’s looked a step behind, missing assignments and constantly getting caught. The analytics match the eye test in this case as well. Steady Eddy? Lol anything but. I’m sure if Edmonton traded for him fans and media perception would quickly reclassify him as a cap dump. Oilers should stay far away.

 

[Homesick]

Someone pays a 1st for Edmundson they’re gonna regret it more then Panthers regret paying a 1st for Chiarot. Oilers are in a tight spot with cap so they can’t afford to take a risk and that’s all Edmundson is.

He’s a guy about to be on the wrong side of 30, who’s never been a tremendous skater, who’s game is built on a physical brand of hockey and who has a recent back injury.

I’ve been watching a lot of Edmundson recently because he’s been floated as available. He’s looked a step behind, missing assignments and constantly getting caught. The analytics match the eye test in this case as well. Steady Eddy? Lol anything but. I’m sure if Edmonton traded for him fans and media perception would quickly reclassify him as a cap dump. Oilers should stay far away.

How much will the Oilers have to pay Arizona to take his contract next summer

 

[ole ole]

Please tell me what Edmundson has done over the past 1+ seasons to deserve a first plus?
Don't give a shit what he did 2-4 year's ago because players slow down with age.

I don't think he gets a 1st. I think he could get a 2nd + with 50% retention. What that plus could be is another question.

 

[ole ole]

Why dont we ask Florida if they want another lemon for their first.

I'm not claiming he'll get a 1st but having Florida out of the picture doesn't diminish what ever his value is.
You think Eddy is a lemon fine. There's some insiders that would disagree with you. Eddy isn't a lemon.

There is not a team in the league would not want him in their system

Ya but many if not all would give up a 1st for him. Would love to see it and yes it's possible. Like many have said it only takes one. I'm leaning more towards 2nd +

 

[LPHabsFan]

After chiarot I doubt anyone is gonna waste a first on another over valued defensive defenseman.

This trade discussion aside, a statement like that assumes trades like the Chiarot one is the first of its kind. Those have been going on for a long time and will continue to do so for a long time as well.

 

[Wayfarer13]

I'm not claiming he'll get a 1st but having Florida out of the picture doesn't diminish what ever his value is.
You think Eddy is a lemon fine. There's some insiders that would disagree with you. Eddy isn't a lemon.


Ya but many if not all would give up a 1st for him. Would love to see it and yes it's possible. Like many have said it only takes one. I'm leaning more towards 2nd +

You better apply for a job as a GM. Market values have yet to set. Wait 6 to 8 weeks

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I know the “whatever we’ll just keep him” line is popular but I’d bet Hughes probably wants to get out in front of the market before team start selling off and more options become available. Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s burning up the phone lines trying to sell Edmundson. The players results haven’t been great this year and teams likely won’t care about what he did two years ago, they’re going to look at what he’s done so far this season and they’re likely going to want to see more this year before offering value for a guy with 2 years left on his deal. That’s not a great situation for Hughes if he’s not confident his play with turn around and or if he thinks there’s going to be other competing options coming on the market as the season progresses.

 

[ole ole]

I'm not claiming he'll get a 1st but having Florida out of the picture doesn't diminish what ever his value is.
You think Eddy is a lemon fine. There's some insiders that would disagree with you. Eddy isn't a lemon.


Ya but many if not all might not be willing to give up a 1st for him. Would love to see it and yes it's possible. Like many have said it only takes one. I'm leaning more towards 2nd +

 

[ole ole]

You better apply for a job as a GM. Market values have yet to set. Wait 6 to 8 weeks

I mis- wrote what i meant. I meant to put down
[ IMO-many if not all would NOT be willing to give up a 1st for him ]

 

[elitepete]

If he gets moved, just like with Chiarot, there won't be a fanbase that wants to move a 1st for him.

It doesn't mean he won't get one, but I doubt any fanbase on here will want to pay it.

hes better than chiarot

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

All I see in this thread is Habs fans citing Savard and Chiarot deals as why Edmundson should net a 1st, but the more important factor as to why he won’t is the strength of the 2023 draft. The prior 2 drafts were considered weak, so teams weren’t opposed to parting with a late 1st rd pick. This year is a different animal. There will be guys available in the 20-30 range that would have been top 10 in last years draft.

I doubt we see more than 3-4 first round picks go this year at the deadline, and when they do it will be for names like Kane/Tarasenko, not Edmundson.

Panthers, Lightning and Stars have already dealt their 1st-round pick.

 

[spaghtti]

He's doing himself a favor. No D is gonna help the mess the Oilers are in.

That's just a stupid comment Hedman would sure help Makar would should help but, dmen of Edmundson quality maybe not so much

 

[Homesick]

I don't think he gets a 1st. I think he could get a 2nd + with 50% retention. What that plus could be is another question.

It's not going to be Bourgault I hope

 

[GhostfaceWu]

This trade discussion aside, a statement like that assumes trades like the Chiarot one is the first of its kind. Those have been going on for a long time and will continue to do so for a long time as well.

Its gonna limit the amount of players and type of players that return it. There is a reason only the team with the best record the regular season that knew it was gonna get a late late first was willing to part with said first.