that second year hurts his value.
Hes already overpaid, but to be overpaid for another year?
Proposal: Joel Edmundson to Oilers
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Hes already overpaid, but to be overpaid for another year?
SwedishFire
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That plus could be a capdump?
Yhat would increase value in that trade.
Jack Campbell + 2nd for Edmundson. I WOULD do it.
SwedishFire
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Everyone says Edmundson has lost a step. And he is old, with jsust some years left. Puljujärvi is learning.
The minus with puljubis uncertainty, if he gives up and go to europe. Wich I doubt, since he is a hard worker. His problem is to accept he is a defensive dirst player. And need one summer to train puckhandling, passeeciving in tempo. If he adresses that, he can defend his 1st round status. He would be a middle 6 forward.
Beendair Donedat
You sold a dead bird to a blind kid????
How about this one -
To Edmonton: Joel Edmundson (50 percent retained)
To Montreal: 2023 1st round pick, 2024 conditional 2nd round pick (condition is if the Oilers make it to the cup finals in 2023), and a cap dump of either Derek Ryan or Mattias Janmark (their choice).
Oilers get their physical defenseman, with retention for two years, without giving up a current prospect, and they clear some cap by dumping a player. Habs get their 1st round pick they've been after, a lottery ticket on the potential second rounder and take back a body.
The Oilers can then turn around and retain on Edmundson once again, if they wanted to move him in the second year, and recoup some of the price they paid to acquire him.
Close?
To Edmonton: Joel Edmundson (50 percent retained)
To Montreal: 2023 1st round pick, 2024 conditional 2nd round pick (condition is if the Oilers make it to the cup finals in 2023), and a cap dump of either Derek Ryan or Mattias Janmark (their choice).
Oilers get their physical defenseman, with retention for two years, without giving up a current prospect, and they clear some cap by dumping a player. Habs get their 1st round pick they've been after, a lottery ticket on the potential second rounder and take back a body.
The Oilers can then turn around and retain on Edmundson once again, if they wanted to move him in the second year, and recoup some of the price they paid to acquire him.
Close?
HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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I don't know why all habs fans think Edmundson is worth a first pick.
Dude barely is worth a 3rd pick right now at perhaps 25% retain.
Dude barely is worth a 3rd pick right now at perhaps 25% retain.
The habs will listen to all offers. If ANY offers make sense for the habs then its a deal.
Thats the way it works. Its real simple, make your offer and if you are the best offer you might win.
dont start with this nonsense of "how dare you ask for more then my offer" BS.
we all know what the last offer will be on HF boards, it always goes all the way down to " a bag of pucks"
Just wait to see who offered what and if the habs thinks its good FOR THEM, then a deal is done.
Thats the way it works. Its real simple, make your offer and if you are the best offer you might win.
dont start with this nonsense of "how dare you ask for more then my offer" BS.
we all know what the last offer will be on HF boards, it always goes all the way down to " a bag of pucks"
Just wait to see who offered what and if the habs thinks its good FOR THEM, then a deal is done.
ole ole
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No it won't be a cap dump.
Unlike Campbell Eddy actually has value.
ole ole
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Actually Eddy's has a very good contract. The 2nd yr gives it more value.
If he accepts he's a defensive player at best then that would make him more of a 3rd line forward.
That doesn't defend being a 4th OA pick.
HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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Ben Chariot had an actual decent season with 2 much icetime on a terrible team.
Edmundson was a healthy scratch in STL
Carolina did not want to overpay for a third pair d-man
Edmundson only good season with habs was in the canadian division who was a complete joke.
Edmundson was terrible last year + injurie , he's also been injured again and he's been completely abysmal and probably the worst d-man on the team at this moment.
So no Edmundson does not value Chariot at all.
SupremeTeam16
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Definitely not close at all.
To start, Ryan and Janmark don’t make enough money to be considered cap dumps. If the Oilers wanted to they could remove both of their cap hits essentially in their entirety simply by waiving either player but both bring something to the bottom 6 so I doubt they’d do that.
Getting to value it’s quite frankly awful. Given the cap climate extra years on deals are having great effects on player value, it can be a blessing or a curse, in Edmundson’s case it’s likely the latter. GM’s aren’t going to look at what Edmundson did 2 years ago, they’re going to look at his results this season and by both the eye test and analytically they’ve been very poor. He’s looked slow, missing defensive assignments, struggling with his gap control and struggling to play physically without taking penalties that hurt his team. Then getting into injuries it adds another layer of risk having the second year. He’s about to be 30, was never a strong skater to begin with and missed most of last year with a back injury. There’s strong evidence that shows back injuries are prone to become reoccurring issues especially for older players. Edmundson relies on playing a physical brand of hockey so a bad back could be problematic for his playing style. Then he started the season this year injured, so in less than a season and a half he’s had two injuries that have kept him out for considerable time… not exactly what you want to see in a player you’re considering giving up assets for.
GM’s aren’t going to give up anything of value for Edmundson until closer to the deadline, they’re going to want to see him stay healthy and they’re going to want to see if he’s going to be able to turn his game around and return to being a reliable, physical player who doesn’t bleed goals and hurt his team. In a season where there’s bound to be quite a few sellers as the season goes on, they’re also going to want to see what other options become available on the market.
My point is NO ONE thought the habs would get a 1st for Chiarot and he actually got far more than that. Same thing is happening with Joel. And what Joel did or didn’t do in STL or Carolina is irrelevant to who he is now or what his value is.
SupremeTeam16
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You’re right what he did years ago is irrelevant. All he’s been able to do recently is be injured and produce terrible results since being back in the lineup.
You ignored his point about value regarding Chiarot/Edmundson in that Chiarot actually put up decent results playing too many minutes while Edmundson has been getting absolutely buried.
SwedishFire
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Do you want to build a team upon draftday status . Thats ridicolous.
Well good bye then
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It’s shocking to hear other fans backtracking on chiarot. Pre trade he was literally being traded for late round picks or FC. Now it’s he actually put up results…smh. Other fans will never learn
Chiarot's value was predicated on what he did during the Cup run. Which is exactly what Edmunston's value is based on. Hard-nosed dmen who clear the net front and step up during the post-season grind.
Neither Chiarot or Ed really produced during the regular season. Both were #4/5 dmen. But in post season their value goes up because they are exactly the type of dmen that help you win when holding/cross-checking is not as regulated post-season.
ole ole
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Claiming a player picked 4th OA and becoming a 3rd line player is defending his draft status is ridiculous.
C-YA.
Holland doesnt trade 1sts.
Hard to imagine a pedestrian player like Edmundson is the one to get him to 'break the seal'.
Hard to imagine a pedestrian player like Edmundson is the one to get him to 'break the seal'.
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Edmundson is 29 years old -- that's not old for a defenseman. The main concern with him is his recent back injuries, not his age.
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Montreal Canadiens , Gorton ,Hughes don't need to trade Edmundson this season including at the trade deadline . Its unlikely Hughes trades Edmundson if he isn't offered a deal that he likes getting what he's asking for in return for Edmundson .
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