Confirmed with Link: Joel Edmundson (50% retained) to Washington for 3rd and 7th

[JoelWarlord]

9D signed and trading the guy with a back made of glass to create space for Xhekaj is now a "panic trade". Good lord.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

You're suggesting they should have waited until they hopefully get offered a 2nd right? Well until that time, one of Barron/Xhekaj/Harris couldn't play since there is no room.

Guhle/Matheson/Savard/Edmundson and then 2 of those young players I mentioned. So one of them won't be able to play and we still got Wideman and Kovacevic who need game time too.

Wideman and Kovacevic aren't important. They're AHL-level guys. Edmundson can play RD.

This narrative of "get rid of an asset at low value so kids can play" is absolutely baffling to me. WITH RETENTION en plus.

 

[Habs13]

Wideman and Kovacevic aren't important. They're AHL-level guys. Edmundson can play RD.

This narrative of "get rid of an asset at low value so kids can play" is absolutely baffling to me. WITH RETENTION en plus.

Would you rather expose the kids to waivers so they can play AHL? There is such thing as a roster limit.

 

[NicRattlehead]

Dude, it’s like 4 regimes now where you’re just always negative about everything. Can you just stop for once

That was awesome lol. Thanks for that.

I don’t know that guy at all but liked your comment.

 

[ryan callahan]

Wideman and Kovacevic aren't important. They're AHL-level guys. Edmundson can play RD.

This narrative of "get rid of an asset at low value so kids can play" is absolutely baffling to me. WITH RETENTION en plus.

Kovacevic played extremely well in his sheltered role last year (arguably better than Xhekaj but most aren't ready to have this discussion). Big, RD, not a terrible skater. He definitely is a NHLer.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Wideman and Kovacevic aren't important. They're AHL-level guys. Edmundson can play RD.

This narrative of "get rid of an asset at low value so kids can play" is absolutely baffling to me. WITH RETENTION en plus.

I don't believe you. Genuinely, I don't believe that you are actually baffled by this trade. He's 30 years old and his back is made of broken glass so they took a 3rd now instead of dealing with roster headaches all year and risking him getting seriously hurt for the 3rd year in a row and being untradeable when the marginal gain might have been a 2nd from a playoff team vs a 3rd from a Caps team that's likely to miss.

Kovacevic and Wideman don't matter. It's about having Matheson and Savard locked in, plus Guhle, Xhekaj, Harris, and Barron who need spots. That's six guys. Edmundson sticking around makes it seven guys that you don't want to scratch. Something has to give and Edmundson is pending UFA while Savard has a year left. It's not complicated, nor is it "low value" for a 4-5 who missed 15 games a year his entire prime and hasn't played a healthy season in 2 years.

 

[The Great Weal]

Wideman and Kovacevic aren't important. They're AHL-level guys. Edmundson can play RD.

This narrative of "get rid of an asset at low value so kids can play" is absolutely baffling to me. WITH RETENTION en plus.

Ok try rereading the post again since you missed the point completely. Who are you sitting until the deadline between Barron/Xhekaj/Harris to POTENTIALLY go from getting a 3rd round pick to a 2nd round pick?

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I don't believe you. Genuinely, I don't believe that you are actually baffled by this trade. He's 30 years old and his back is made of broken glass so they took a 3rd now instead of dealing with roster headaches all year and risking him getting seriously hurt for the 3rd year in a row and being untradeable when the marginal gain might have been a 2nd from a playoff team vs a 3rd from a Caps team that's likely to miss.

Kovacevic and Wideman don't matter. It's about having Matheson and Savard locked in, plus Guhle, Xhekaj, Harris, and Barron who need spots. That's six guys. Edmundson sticking around makes it seven guys that you don't want to scratch. Something has to give and Edmundson is pending UFA while Savard has a year left. It's not complicated, nor is it "low value" for a 4-5 who missed 15 games a year his entire prime and hasn't played a healthy season in 2 years.

If you weren't getting value for Eddy, trade Savard. I'm coming at this from a standpoint of asset management. We've been very bad at it for a long time. Smart managements can move around their assets in ways where they make gains every time they do so.

Selling low on assets is bad business 101.

Ok try rereading the post again since you missed the point completely. Who are you sitting until the deadline between Barron/Xhekaj/Harris to POTENTIALLY go from getting a 3rd round pick to a 2nd round pick?

I'd trade Harris. He's superfluous and doesn't bring much to the table in my view.

 

[Milhouse40]

Wideman and Kovacevic aren't important. They're AHL-level guys. Edmundson can play RD.

This narrative of "get rid of an asset at low value so kids can play" is absolutely baffling to me. WITH RETENTION en plus.

Development is and should be paramount. Adding prospect and picks and just waiting to see a gem pop out is Bergevin era, we need to develop them to move forward.

And in a summer that after a 56pts season, Reilly Smith got a 3rd round pick and Sean Durzi got a 2nd round pick...

Expecting a 2nd is not knowing the market. And waiting could have gotten us a low 2nd AT BEST but another injury and it would have been a 5th or even nothing at all. That PLUS stalling the development on a young prospect is not a good gamble.

Guhle, Matheson, Xhekaj and Harris.
We are full load on the left side....still one too much in my book.

Plus we have now another 1.75M that we can use now or at TDL and get another asset for it....

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Development is and should be paramount. Adding prospect and picks and just waiting to see a gem pop out is Bergevin era, we need to develop them to move forward.

And in a summer that after a 56pts season, Reilly Smith got a 3rd round pick and Sean Durzi got a 2nd round pick...

Expecting a 2nd is not knowing the market. And waiting could have gotten us a low 2nd AT BEST but another injury and it would have been a 5th or even nothing at all. That PLUS stalling the development on a young prospect is not a good gamble.

Guhle, Matheson, Xhekaj and Harris.
We are full load on the left side....still one too much in my book.

Development and Asset management are not mutually exclusive. A good management can do both.

 

[Milhouse40]

Development and Asset management are not mutually exclusive. A good management can do both.

I know....they just did both.

 

[Kimota]

He was a warrior for us. But he could play less and less. At least we got something.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I know....they just did both.

Yes, they're awesome and always make great moves. Just like all the other managements before. Can't wait to see the mediocre defense-first team they'll have in three years!

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Kovacevic played extremely well in his sheltered role last year (arguably better than Xhekaj but most aren't ready to have this discussion). Big, RD, not a terrible skater. He definitely is a NHLer.

Kovacevic is at his celing. Xhekaj is likely going to improve a lot.

Yes, they're awesome and always make great moves. Just like all the other managements before. Can't wait to see the mediocre defense-first team they'll have in three years!

Ridiculous garbage. Even the d won't be defense first with Mailloux, Barron and Hutson on it.

 

[HabsCowboysOwn]

I really don’t care about this trade either way but it sure would be nice if people were allowed to voice their opinion without being called ”whiny little bitches” and whatnot.

Let’s not turn this place into r/Habs or some other toxic echo chamber where you’re shamed to no end if you don’t agree with the majority.

 

[Runner77]

Wiseman

Said:

Only fools rush in.

 

[Milhouse40]

Yes, they're awesome and always make great moves. Just like all the other managements before. Can't wait to see the mediocre defense-first team they'll have in three years!

Dude....they just traded a defense-first D in order to play more mobile D like Guhle, Harris and Xhekaj
All of them outproduce Edmundson last year in their 1st season in less games for most of them....even Kovacevic did better.

Can't wait to see that defense-first D-squad in 3 years with Hutson, Mailloux and Barron on each pair.

 

[ryan callahan]

Kovacevic is at his celing. Xhekaj is likely going to improve a lot.


Ridiculous garbage. Even the d won't be defense first with Mailloux, Barron and Hutson on it.

Disagree. Kovacevic has a lot to gain and his physical tools are very nice. Xhekaj looked like a deer in the headlights at many times last year.

 

[Runner77]

I really don’t care about this trade either way but it sure would be nice if people were allowed to voice their opinion without being called ”whiny little bitches” and whatnot.

Let’s not turn this place into r/Habs or some other toxic echo chamber where you’re shamed to no end if you don’t agree with the majority.

Sadly, there’s always someone ready to imagine a faction so they have a target to vilify.

It’s an easy source of filler material as they don’t have anything worthy to offer in the first place.

Why not hold Ed till the trade deadline???

They wanted to trade him between injury stints. He’s usually healthy in the summer.

 

[Lucky Luke]

This trade came 2 years too late, when he had some real value.

 

[The Real Timo]

With current D Habs are bottom 5 again this coming season and with Hughes' draft record I am no longer thrilled about being top 5 at the draft.

Said:

Only fools rush in.

I read "Wideman"

 

[JoelWarlord]

If you weren't getting value for Eddy, trade Savard. I'm coming at this from a standpoint of asset management. We've been very bad at it for a long time. Smart managements can move around their assets in ways where they make gains every time they do so.

Yeah, just trade Savard, easy peasy! If we're talking about asset management doesn't it make more sense to move the guy who's made of glass for about 80% of his plausible max value, and hold on to Savard who is both more stable as an asset and also will be worth much more as a rental/1yr contract than he is today?

Keep in mind we'd be getting a playoff team's 2nd at the deadline, vs a 3rd from a Caps team that has a probably over 50% chance of missing the playoffs. The difference may be just 10-15 slots and in exchange we eliminate the risk of striking out entirely from another Edmundson injury. Sounds like pretty good return from a risky asset to me.

Selling low on assets is bad business 101.

So is holding on to declining damaged goods or being forced to take even less on another trade or scratch a young guy to showcase Edmundson. We tried this last year - he got a back injury for the 2nd year in a row and now he's 30.

Asset management is about maximizing expected value, not just crossing your fingers to hopefully get the maximum return you could hypothetically get on every single asset. This is more than enough value for us to move on and eliminate the risk he gets hurt again and we just get nothing. Holding onto Edmundson instead of taking this deal is penny wise and dollar foolish.

I'd trade Harris. He's superfluous and doesn't bring much to the table in my view.

I agree that Harris is the odd man out and I'd be fine with trading him, but I don't think there's any reason to just do that at the drop of a hat. He's on a 2 year deal that expires with RFA status still and IMO he's most useful as a trade chip for an actual player, not really interested in immediately liquidating Harris for picks to hope the guy with the broken back is healthy enough to fetch a 2nd.

 

[The Real Timo]

We have 8 other NHL D and only two of them are under 6'1 (Harris and Wideman).

We’re getting moar bigger baby!!

 

[Runner77]

With current D Habs are bottom 5 again this coming season and with Hughes' draft record I am no longer thrilled about being top 5 at the draft.


I read "Wideman"

It’s still there in the original post as “Wiseman”.

 

[Redux91]

Dude....they just traded a defense-first D in order to play more mobile D like Guhle, Harris and Xhekaj
All of them outproduce Edmundson last year in their 1st season in less games for most of them....even Kovacevic did better.

Can't wait to see that defense-first D-squad in 3 years with Hutson, Mailloux and Barron on each pair.

And that, you know, Reinbacher guy!
Lol
Man our D is gonna be fun real soon