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This team is going to be something special as soon as next season. Ride high on Vladdy's development and finding a gem in Semien. The young pitching pieces are there and the offseason is there to add another arm with this offence ticking so well overall. Just need a healthy bullpen.
 
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Apotheosis said:
This team is going to be something special as soon as next season. Ride high on Vladdy's development and finding a gem in Semien. The young pitching pieces are there and the offseason is there to add another arm with this offence ticking so well overall. Just need a healthy bullpen.
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Needs more than just a healthy bullpen. Semien will price himself elsewhere so maybe Biggio becomes your 2B. Huge hole at 3B needs to be filled if the team wants to compete for a championship. Also need at least 2 legitimate top 3 pitchers so Manoah and maybe Woods-Richardson can slot in at 4/5. The bullpen can’t count on Merryweather, he’s shown himself to be injury prone. Right now there is one option, Romano. So again, if this team wants to compete with the Rays, Padres, Dodgers etc they need a solid 3B, 2 top starters and almost an entire bullpen.
 
I'd very much be open to keeping Semien long term (god knows Rogers can afford it) but if for whatever reason the Jays are out of it come the deadline I would look at shipping him out if the price is right.

Unless you can get him to agree to an extension before then. Which seems highly unlikely given he damn well knows he's going to make bank by going to market.

Would much rather keep him. He seems happy in Toronto given his comments he made on Tim and Friends yesterday.
 
Apotheosis said:
This team is going to be something special as soon as next season. Ride high on Vladdy's development and finding a gem in Semien. The young pitching pieces are there and the offseason is there to add another arm with this offence ticking so well overall. Just need a healthy bullpen.
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I would not count on Semien being here next season. He's setting himself up to cost a lot of money which some desperate team will throw at him without a second thought. For the Jays that's money they're going to need to fill other holes and earmark to start spending on the core guys to ensure they stick around for the long haul. They may also want to keep their infield options a little more flexible since the next wave of prospects includes multiple potential infielders arriving as soon as 2022
 
Gargyn said:
Needs more than just a healthy bullpen. Semien will price himself elsewhere so maybe Biggio becomes your 2B. Huge hole at 3B needs to be filled if the team wants to compete for a championship. Also need at least 2 legitimate top 3 pitchers so Manoah and maybe Woods-Richardson can slot in at 4/5. The bullpen can’t count on Merryweather, he’s shown himself to be injury prone. Right now there is one option, Romano. So again, if this team wants to compete with the Rays, Padres, Dodgers etc they need a solid 3B, 2 top starters and almost an entire bullpen.
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They have a +43 run differential with one of the best players in the league injured the whole season. A capable bullpen over the last month probably puts them at 8-10 games over .500.

Bullpen aside right now, they're a really good team.
 
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The Nemesis said:
I would not count on Semien being here next season. He's setting himself up to cost a lot of money which some desperate team will throw at him without a second thought. For the Jays that's money they're going to need to fill other holes and earmark to start spending on the core guys to ensure they stick around for the long haul. They may also want to keep their infield options a little more flexible since the next wave of prospects includes multiple potential infielders arriving as soon as 2022
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Understandable but he's also playing like one of the best players in baseball. I would look to trade someone like Biggio beforehand and fill other holes and keep Semien.
 
Kiley McDaniel just released a new Mock Draft and....we have a surprise Jays pick/connection!

2021 MLB Mock Draft 2.0: A new No. 1? Who gets Jack Leiter and Kumar Rocker?

19. Toronto Blue Jays

Jay Allen, CF, John Carroll Catholic HS (FL), Florida commit

Toronto was in heavy at a Florida prep All-Star game to see Allen (where he played well). He's in play at the two picks before this and with Tampa Bay's picks just below, so this is the spot to take Allen if the Jays want him. Wake righty Ryan Cusick and Florida outfielder Jud Fabian are also frequently mentioned here.
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They have a +43 run differential with one of the best players in the league injured the whole season. A capable bullpen over the last month probably puts them at 8-10 games over .500.

Bullpen aside right now, they're a really good team.
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OBVIOSLY you didn't watch last nights game
 
The Nemesis said:
I would not count on Semien being here next season. He's setting himself up to cost a lot of money which some desperate team will throw at him without a second thought. For the Jays that's money they're going to need to fill other holes and earmark to start spending on the core guys to ensure they stick around for the long haul. They may also want to keep their infield options a little more flexible since the next wave of prospects includes multiple potential infielders arriving as soon as 2022
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I'm actually very interested to see how Semien's contract turns out, he's in an insane shortstop FA class this year even with Lindor getting an extension. He's the oldest of the main crop but he's also had a better season than Story and Seager. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he's sitting there deep in free agency without the mega contract he's asking for.

What'll be really funny is seeing Tigers twitter after their ownership somehow justifies not signing any of them.
 
The BP shouldn't even be that hard to fix if it were a priority. Hatch and Pearson to the BP and maybe make a trade to add another arm or two.. I'm starting to get the sense that Shatkins sees this year as another development year and are in no hurry to fix the mess.
 
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I'm actually very interested to see how Semien's contract turns out, he's in an insane shortstop FA class this year even with Lindor getting an extension. He's the oldest of the main crop but he's also had a better season than Story and Seager. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he's sitting there deep in free agency without the mega contract he's asking for.

What'll be really funny is seeing Tigers twitter after their ownership somehow justifies not signing any of them.
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The fact that he was willing to play 2nd base this season might help him because maybe a team offers him stupid crazy money to be a 2B who moonlights at short. And the 2B market is much thinner than the SS one. The versatility only makes him more valuable.
 
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I don't think you can count on signing the best 2b in baseball in free agency every year to one year contracts.
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I realize that part, but my point was targeting guys with high upside like this that are coming off a down year and need to sort of rebuild their value. Nobody thought Semien would be the best 2nd baseman this year.
 
Last few weeks have been disappointing. But the Jays have played the 2nd most games against teams above .500. Tampa is 1st.

The Jays next 12 games will be;
3 vs Baltimore
2 vs Miami
4 vs Baltimore
3 vs Seattle

They are winning at least 8 games here and if they dont then we have a clear sign they might be in trouble.

After that they have a tough stretch with 6 vs the Rays but get the O's and Rangers again;

3 vs the Rays
3 vs Baltimore
3 vs the Rays
3 vs Texas

At this point the deadline is 12 days later. If the Jays arent at least 5 games above .500 they can reevaluate.

Jays current record: 33-34

Record:
vs Non-playoff Teams: 10-7 (.588)
vs Playoff Teams: 15-20 (.429)
vs the Yankees and Cleveland: 8-7 (.533)

Games remaining; 95 Games
vs Non-playoff Teams: 52 games (19 BAL, 7 MIN, 6 SEA, 6 DET, 4 LAA, 3 KC, 3 TEX, 2 MIA, 2 WSH)
vs Playoff Teams: 32 games (12 TB, 10 BOS, 3 NYM, 4 CHW, 3 OAK)
vs the Yankees and Cleveland: 11 games (7 NYY, 4 CLE)

We will dread 12 games vs TB but the remaining 83 are very winnable.

If the Jays keep their current pace vs these teams they will hit 84 wins (31 wins vs non playoff teams, 14 vs playoff teams and 6 vs the NYY and CLE).

Theoretically the Jays will get healthier and potentially better while the non playoff teams should get worse so they should beat those teams at a higher rate than 59%.

Jays are 33-34. If they split the 29 games vs TB, BOS and NYY then they are 47-49, If they play .600 ball vs the bottom feeders, then thats 40 wins, puts them at 87 wins, right in the mix. If they do better in any of those games and barring injury, they are pushing 90 wins.
 
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Ew McGreevy. There are some rumors about the Jays and McGreevy. I don’t like it.
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2021 MLB mock draft 1.0: Kumar Rocker to Red Sox, Pirates go with a catcher at No. 1 in Keith Law's first look - The Athletic

19. Toronto Blue Jays: Mike McGreevy, RHP, UC Santa Barbara

The Blue Jays have shown they’re willing to go college or high school, but I don’t think they’ll go high school pitcher in the first round. McGreevy is a “safe” pick as college arms go, with some of the best command in the draft and probably the best control, with just 10 walks this year in 88 2/3 innings, never more than two walks in any single start.
 
Trade Deadline Inbox: Will A's go all in?
Thoughts on Nelson Cruz? Who might be kicking the tires on him?
-- @JungleMcCarthy
As I mentioned above, Oakland is one logical landing spot for Cruz, whose market will be limited to AL teams in need of designated hitter help. The A's had a .666 OPS from the DH spot as of Thursday, which was 13th in the AL, ahead of only the Rangers and Tigers.
Other teams in possible need of DH help include the Blue Jays (.753 OPS) and Rays (.713 OPS), who rank 11th and 12th in the AL, respectively.
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Imagine this Jays team in contention and we add Nelson Cruz to the lineup? Id trade Tellez for Cruz

Semien - 2B
Bichette - SS
Guerrero - 1B
Hernandez - CF
Springer - CF
Cruz - DH
Biggio - 3B
Gurriel - LF
Kirk - C
 
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Do teams hand out massive contracts to 2B though? It's not a position that normally commands a high allocation of funds. I think his value goes down not playing SS permanently.

Teams aren't giving Semien the money even Springer received. I think he's looking at the DJ LeMahieu contract, maybe even same money with one less year, which the Jays should do.
 
Opponents Probable Pitchers:
June 18: Thomas Eshelman - First start in 2021 vs Ray
June 19: Dean Kremer - 6.65 ERA vs Manoah
June 20: Matt Harvey - 7.76 ERA vs Ryu

We better sweep.
 
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