Blue Jays Discussion: Joe Panik traded for the reliever we need.

[phillipmike]

Interesting thought about doing a Chris Sale move with Williams. I think I'd avoid that for service time and development reasons, but it is something to consider.

might be a risk the Jays need take. Adding a guy like Williams and Pearson to the pen would help out a lot.

 

[Morgs]

Gage Jump is the guy I've been interested in for a while. His numbers are bonkers and his name is elite.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Gage Jump is the guy I've been interested in for a while. His numbers are bonkers and his name is elite.

High school numbers? He's interesting but I've been burned in Dynasty by short hard throwing high school lefties before Rob Kaminsky and Kolby Allard.

 

[Morgs]

High school numbers? He's interesting but I've been burned in Dynasty by short hard throwing high school lefties before Rob Kaminsky and Kolby Allard.

Not sure why Twitter isn't allowing me to save tweets rn, but:

I was reading that last game he was so dominant the umpire had to do a hat check to make sure he wasn't using something sticky. Guy isn't overpowering at all with 94mph, but he's downright unhittable.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

might be a risk the Jays need take. Adding a guy like Williams and Pearson to the pen would help out a lot.

We probably won't need him at that point. Pearson can go in there. Hatch, and Merryweather should be back as well. SWR will also likely be ready for a call up.

 

[SDig14]

51 pitches last outing and 66 pitches today. Likely 2 more starts to get into the 90-100 range. Let the stretching out continue.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Again, the problem is that Gurriel reacted like he had fouled the ball.

If he did miss it, you would expect he'd be waiving like mad for Hernandez to come home. That reaction is why the call didn't go the Jays' way.

The runners were on 1st and 2nd at the time. Yeah a hitter still often does wave for them to take a base, but it's less common than when the guy is at 3rd and they wave them to come home. Teo was coming home all the way from 2nd, it's unlikely the Gurriel is waving him that far as the runner would have all the time between 2nd and 3rd to see where the ball was.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Not sure why Twitter isn't allowing me to save tweets rn, but:View attachment 447391

I was reading that last game he was so dominant the umpire had to do a hat check to make sure he wasn't using something sticky. Guy isn't overpowering at all with 94mph, but he's downright unhittable.

I'm always going to take high school stats with a grain of salt no matter how competitive the area is. Even the most competitive areas are only going to have a handful of guys who can go pro, and an even smaller amount with the ability to go in the top 2 rounds.

Rob Kaminsky's high school stats:

8 wins 7 cg 4sh 0.18era 51ip 107so 4bb

From a pure stuff standpoint, Kaminsky belongs in the group of top high school lefties in this class. He has two plus pitches, with his fastball, thrown 92-95 mph, and a hard breaking ball. He has a good feel for his changeup, though he hasn't used it much in his high school career. He also has a pretty good idea of what he's doing on the mound, but he's not the biggest guy in the world, leading some to worry about durability.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

That doesn’t change the fact that it was wrong and cost them the game.

I don't expect an ump who got drilled with a high 90 MPH ball to have his wherewithal to make a split second decision. The reactions by all other parties involved didn't help the situation either.

 

[nilan30]

It will be nice to hopefully not play the Yankees in Buffalo anymore. Kind of makes you understand what the Seattle fans go through when the Jays play there.

 

[hoglund]

A bigger thing was not coming with a hit when we had runners on 2nd and third with no one out. We can't say it's all the umpire's fault.
If we come through, the umpire thing doesn't even happen.

They needed the hit, true, but the Yankees threw a passed ball or wild pitch depending on the scorer and the ball went to the back of the diamond so 2 runners would score and the Blue Jays win in a walk off. The ruling is a huge mistake and even though they couldn't get the hit the Yankees blew it, but weren't penalized for their mistake.

 

[metafour]

Mason McRae’s 2021 MLB Mock Draft 7.0

He just released a new mock draft:

Mason McRae’s 2021 MLB Mock Draft 8.0

19th Overall — Toronto Blue Jays
Jud Fabian, OF, Florida

Toronto selected Bo Bichette knowing the approach was an issue and the raw tools were incredible. Fabian’s entire rollercoaster of a junior year was caused by an iffy two-strike approach and questionable plan-of-attack early in counts. This entire pick rides on the Blue Jays confidence in it’s development staff that’s proven it can develop hitters in the past. They’ve been linked to Ford, Mack, and McGreevy.

I know he likes Fabian, but I struggle to see the comparisons. He just put up a historically bad season in terms of K-rate and he's a college player, not a HS hitter. With Bichette I think it was more a case of him being "missed" versus glaringly obvious failure at the plate as has been the case with Fabian this year.

 

[hoc123]

He just released a new mock draft:

Mason McRae’s 2021 MLB Mock Draft 8.0



I know he likes Fabian, but I struggle to see the comparisons. He just put up a historically bad season in terms of K-rate and he's a college player, not a HS hitter. With Bichette I think it was more a case of him being "missed" versus glaringly obvious failure at the plate as has been the case with Fabian this year.

I haven’t been paying as much attention to the draft this year, so I don’t know how accurate this comparison is, but am I the only one who thinks of Blue Jays 2018 2nd round pick Griffin Conine with this profile?

 

[Starry Knight]

I haven’t been paying as much attention to the draft this year, so I don’t know how accurate this comparison is, but am I the only one who thinks of Blue Jays 2018 2nd round pick Griffin Conine with this profile?

Checking in on Griffin, he's rocking a generational 37.7% K rate this year.

 

[metafour]

I haven’t been paying as much attention to the draft this year, so I don’t know how accurate this comparison is, but am I the only one who thinks of Blue Jays 2018 2nd round pick Griffin Conine with this profile?

Nope, that's a reasonable comparison that's been brought up - except that Fabian is more athletic and a CF versus Conine's RF profile.

A better one might be Jeren Kendall who was drafted by the Dodgers immediately after we picked Logan Warmoth a few years ago. He had ~Top 5 hype at one point in his draft year (like Fabian), played CF on a big-name SEC team (like Fabian), and then showed a lot of swing-and-miss which dropped him into the 20's. Conine and Kendall have both shown extreme strikeout problems in the minors as well. Fabian actually had a worse K-rate this year than either of those two did, and I'm not totally sold on "he struck out 30% of the time because of an iffy two-strike approach and questionable plan-of-attack". At some point premium talent needs to make contact against NCAA pitching, and he also had the lowest qualified BA on Florida's roster among their "starters".

 

[metafour]

So Kevin Smith was 2 for 3 today with a 3B and another BB.

OPS up to .992 now.

Extremely interesting turn of events. At the very least he looks like he's playing himself into a legitimate trade piece.

 

[trellaine201]

Thoughts on going in to the second half of the schedule. We sit at 33 wins. 52 wins in the second half gives us a small chance at 85 wins IMO. Highly unlikely at this rate.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Thoughts on going in to the second half of the schedule. We sit at 33 wins. 52 wins in the second half gives us a small chance at 85 wins IMO. Highly unlikely at this rate.

We've played more teams with above .500 records than anybody other than Tampa I believe. The next 10 games will be telling. Need to go on a run against a horrible Baltimore team and Seattle.

 

[kb]

Interesting thought about doing a Chris Sale move with Williams. I think I'd avoid that for service time and development reasons, but it is something to consider.

Could Williams be the Garrett Crochet of this draft?

 

[Morgs]

I'm always going to take high school stats with a grain of salt no matter how competitive the area is. Even the most competitive areas are only going to have a handful of guys who can go pro, and an even smaller amount with the ability to go in the top 2 rounds.

Rob Kaminsky's high school stats:

8 wins 7 cg 4sh 0.18era 51ip 107so 4bb

Yeah there's way more risk with HS pitchers, but i like his upside a lot more than most of the guys we're tied to.

At this point I trust the FO and their drafting record. I'd give pretty much anyone a chance even if I don't like their profiles (McGreevy/Fabian/etc)

 

[TGB]

Oh, geez...TPs that are the result of brain farts are the worst. Semian, man, you're supposed to be the veteran.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Could Williams be the Garrett Crochet of this draft?

I mean you could say that about any pitcher that a team brings up and puts in the bullpen after the draft. If we're making a one for one comparison Sam Bachman is probably the guy with two 70 grade pitches and reliever risk. Williams breaking pitch isn't there for me yet, but I think it'll get to a 60 with instruction.

 

[phillipmike]

2021 Top Prospects | THE BOARD | FanGraphs

Updated Top 100 - 9 Jays with Future Values:

9. Nate Pearson FV: 60
40. Austin Martin FV: 55
62. Alek Manoah FV: 50
64. Gabriel Moreno FV: 50
76. Simeon Woods-Richardson FV: 50
78. Alejandro Kirk FV: 50
80 Jordan Groshans FV: 50
93 Orelvis Martinez FV: 50

They still have a high opinion of Pearson. Bumped his FV up from 55 to 60 and moved him into the top 10.

Manoah and Moreno move up. Kirk and Groshans still getting recognition.

 

[dredeye]

Man the season is slipping away in a hurry