Blue Jays Discussion: Joe Panik traded for the reliever we need.

[Hoverhand]

Maybe we are eating cash for someone more injured and then less of a prospect?

Anyone know options with Cimber? One tweet said expiring contract, one said 2 years of control...

How the MLBPA has let the league get away with arbitration for people above 30 is baffling but good for us!

 

[Woodman19]

Wonder if we traded Panik to deny Montoyo from using him lol

 

[Discoverer]

He's had experience in the past in both CF and RF as well. As a 4th OF he would do well anywhere in OF as would Springer, Grichuk and Hernandez that have all played across the OF. He wouldnt be a starter, he would be a replacement for days off, lefty bat off bench, pinch runner of bench.

Definitely opens up opportunities for another deal to come. If it were I, I would retain Grichuk, Springer and Hernandez. Deal Gurriel. Most bang for your buck.

Dickerson plays average-ish LF defense, is 32 years old, and hasn't played an inning of CF in 6 years. There's no way anyone should feel comfortable playing him in CF, even on a part time basis.

 

[canucksfan]

Wonder if we traded Panik to deny Montoyo from using him lol

Probably.

 

[Hoverhand]

Wonder if we traded Panik to deny Montoyo from using him lol

"Charlie, you can't start Panik at third tonight"

 

[Hoverhand]

 

[Bjindaho]

Wow, that's surprising.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Wow, that's surprising.

In what way?

 

[metafour]

Jansen's D is also being overstated whereas that was Reese's calling card

Yup. McGuire has been better behind the plate this season, and apart from Jansen's 2019 season which looks like a fluke (at no point in time was he considered an elite defender behind the plate as a prospect) they have been comparable defensively, with McGuire having the better defensive pedigree coming up.

And like Sticky brought up: do not use BABIP to fool you into thinking that a bad hitter is in fact just "unlucky". Jansen's BABIP matches what you see with your eyes at the plate: he makes a lot of suboptimal contact and doesn't hit the ball hard. Those balls are easily caught by defenders.

At some point you need to come to the realization that a guy just isn't what you expected. I don't understand how people can accurately critique someone like Grichuk who's production doesn't consistently "meet expectation", but then put on every blinder imaginable for Danny Jansen. Need I remind you that this past offseason there were a few people on here actually arguing that signing Realmuto wouldn't be a worthwhile upgrade because we had Jansen LMAO.

 

[Bjindaho]

In what way?

Our minor leaguer is a reliever with control issues

 

[SDig14]

In what way?

Never even heard of him before...

 

[metafour]

I looked McInvale up - he was a 37th round pick in 2019 who throws fairly hard. Around mid 90's this season from what I saw from one report. He has obviously had a good season this year, but you can't help but conclude it as a win to flip a late round AA reliever for a guy who can help the bullpen today.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Montoyo after hearing about the trade.

 

[HockeyThoughts]

It is just a prediction but to get a decent pen arm this early in the season, I bet we gave up a notable minor leaguer, perhaps even a very good arm. Pardinho? Or if it’s a lot better Kloffenstein? Miami also had their eye on Van Eyk last year but probably not that big of a name.

Dickerson was a hot commodity two offseasons ago. That’s a great bat off the bench.

Looks like Miami is sending us money to offset Dickerson’s salary and Cimber is a rental. Thought he had more years of control.

This is just wrong on all counts..

 

[Emerica]

Today is a dark day in Montoyo land

 

[phillipmike]

This is just wrong on all counts..

Or is it?



I thought Cimber had control too but similar too but there is a legit source here stating that Cimber is a rental.

 

[Starry Knight]

Or is it?



I thought Cimber had control too but similar too but there is a legit source here stating that Cimber is a rental.

His contract is expiring, but FanGraphs has him still as arbitration eligible and not a free agent until 2025.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Atkins finally Panik'd and I love it

 

[phillipmike]

Great trade to not give anything up of real value. No insult to McInvale but i was expecting at least a top 30 prospect, great trade!

 

[phillipmike]

Jays pay $4.5M of Dickerson's salary.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Essentially the Jays taking money off the Marlins hands in exchange for a solid reliever with control while we throw a random minor leaguer in to help the Marlins save face so they can say they got a "prospect" back

 

[Discoverer]

Essentially the Jays taking money off the Marlins hands in exchange for a solid reliever with control while we throw a random minor leaguer in to help the Marlins save face so they can say they got a "prospect" back

Exploiting other teams' cheapness is such a great strategy. Let's see more of this!

 

[phillipmike]

His contract is expiring, but FanGraphs has him still as arbitration eligible and not a free agent until 2025.

History says the Jays should have given up A LOT more in a deal like this. The fact they didnt, proves that this was and is a big win from them on paper.

To get a reliever with multiple years, a month ahead of the deadline for a bench player we wanted to get rid of and probably a non top 60 prospect is ridiculous imo.

 

[Discoverer]

History says the Jays should have given up A LOT more in a deal like this. The fact they didnt, proves that this was and is a big win from them on paper.

To get a reliever with multiple years, a month ahead of the deadline for a bench player we wanted to get rid of and probably a non top 60 prospect is ridiculous imo.

Taking on Dickerson's salary isn't exactly nothing, but as a fan it might as well be.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Baseball trade values has the surplus value in this trade as

Marlins get: 0.7
Panik(0.6)
McInvale(0.1)

Jays get: -0.6
Cimber(0)
Dickerson(-0.6)

So the cash the Marlins would be sending would need to be 1.3 million to make it "even". Looking at his contact and the % of the year left. If we're paying 4.5 I don't think they're sending that much.

That being said I don't see how McInvale is worth more than Cimber or how Panik is worth 0.6 million more than his contract. We needed a pen arm and needed to not have Panik so it's easily worth it even if it's a small "loss" which I don't think it is.