Blue Jays Discussion: Joe Panik: the hero we deserve

[The Nemesis]

If we're going to have the voice of positivity I want to be the corresponding voice of rationality:

A week ago most people agreed that Manoah shouldn't be rushed up to the majors before proving he can handle AAA hitters consistently.

nothing has changed since then.


The fact that the Jays are struggling does not make it a better idea or more necessary to call him up now. He'll be ready when he's ready and not a moment before. Acting hastily is only more likely to lead to bad things.

 

[dredeye]

Our management right now:

That’s why they are management. No knee jerk reactions. We’ve had massive injury issues and mostly to the pen. It’s finally started to bleed through. It’s frustrating as hell seeing them blow leads like that and especially to Tampa. Just got to hope they rebound quickly and find that random pen luck again soon. Bats also need to come to life a little more too.

 

[Discoverer]

If we're going to have the voice of positivity I want to be the corresponding voice of rationality:

A week ago most people agreed that Manoah shouldn't be rushed up to the majors before proving he can handle AAA hitters consistently.

nothing has changed since then.


The fact that the Jays are struggling does not make it a better idea or more necessary to call him up now. He'll be ready when he's ready and not a moment before. Acting hastily is only more likely to lead to bad things.

I would support giving him a start soon, at least in part because he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's going to fall apart or lose his confidence if it goes poorly.

I think he's ready. I don't mind leaving him down to get a few more starts under his belt, but think he deserves a shot soon, especially as the need continues to grow.

 

[canucksfan]

A couple of possible bullpen solutions in AAA could be Saucedo or Baker

 

[Dr.Funk]

Trent Thornton is starting in place of Ross Stripling today.

 

[Discoverer]

Trent Thornton is starting in place of Ross Stripling today.

Just opening for him, I assume? Thornton threw an inning out of the pen on Saturday, so I can't imagine he'll make a "normal" start.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[Forgotusername]

Just read that Simeon Woods Richardson was named to the US Olympic qualifer team.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[Morgs]

If we're going to have the voice of positivity I want to be the corresponding voice of rationality:

A week ago most people agreed that Manoah shouldn't be rushed up to the majors before proving he can handle AAA hitters consistently.

nothing has changed since then.


The fact that the Jays are struggling does not make it a better idea or more necessary to call him up now. He'll be ready when he's ready and not a moment before. Acting hastily is only more likely to lead to bad things.

Don't tell this to Stoeten. Feels like every other tweet is a shot at management for not playing Manoah.

I'm indifferent. He'd probably make the rotation better immediately, but I'd rather we take it slow, make sure he keeps it up and have him for the playoff stretch/playoffs. Not to mention it's easier to keep him down to handle his innings than in the majors.

 

[Discoverer]

Don't tell this to Stoeten. Feels like every other tweet is a shot at management for not playing Manoah.

I'm indifferent. He'd probably make the rotation better immediately, but I'd rather we take it slow, make sure he keeps it up and have him for the playoff stretch/playoffs. Not to mention it's easier to keep him down to handle his innings than in the majors.

Yeah, there's a whole lot of grey area in a subject so many people like to view as black and white.

 

[lottster14]

Wow, disappointing.

 

[FreeBird]

Wow, disappointing.

After 5 years with Shatskins this is our pithing staff the difference between the Rays and B LUE jAYS IS PAthetic so now they have another 5 years to to get it right

 

[saska sault]

Give Vladdy the blank cheque. Kid is electric. I never want to see him wear another jersey.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Give Vladdy the blank cheque. Kid is electric. I never want to see him wear another jersey.

Leading league in war now 2.8 !

 

[canucksfan100]

Montoya is a terrible manager. Who pitches to a guy on a 8 game hit streak with 1B open, who uses Dolis instead of Romano to close a game smh etc.

Get rid of this guy

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Give Vladdy the blank cheque. Kid is electric. I never want to see him wear another jersey.

He’s something to behold. When he puts a jolt into one, is it electrifying.

 

[Gargyn]

Pitching and defence wins. We have one very good starter, one good starter, one average starter and then shit. Bullpen has come down to earth with these no name losers. Not a surprise. They aren’t close to being a true contender.

 

[Brock Boeser Laser Show]

Pitching and defence wins. We have one very good starter, one good starter, one average starter and then shit. Bullpen has come down to earth with these no name losers. Not a surprise. They aren’t close to being a true contender.

We will contend when the next wave of young players Come up. Next year should be the start of contending.

the injuries are catching up to the team now. This was a 85-90 win team that is being dragged down by injuries right now. Next year should be a 90-100 win team with some decent luck.

 

[SDig14]

It's frustrating when you look at 1 thru 5 on each of these teams. Arozarena, Meadows, Margot, Choi, Lowe, etc. We have Semien, Bichette, Vladdy, Teo and Grichuk. Guys like Gurriel can't even get in the top 5, and that's all with Biggio and Springer both hurt.

And then you watch the team get shot by the Rays, but I think these teams are closer than they appeared this weekend. Need to improve bullpen and starters and hopefully left side of the infield defense somehow.

I still don't get how this Rays offense has been so good recently, but they're doing it as a group with no exceptional performances.

 

[Gargyn]

We will contend when the next wave of young players Come up. Next year should be the start of contending.

the injuries are catching up to the team now. This was a 85-90 win team that is being dragged down by injuries right now. Next year should be a 90-100 win team with some decent luck.

Their pitching sucks. Every team gets injuries. Pearson was an unknown regardless. Besides him we are missing Merryweather out of the pen. If we can’t overcome those guys on the pitching side of things, the pitching is garbage.

 

[SDig14]

Go to the world series, trade your best player away, trade your shortstop and then win 11 straight and be atop the AL East. Rinse and repeat. Doing it for years since the Archer theft and doing it well.

 

[Discoverer]

Their pitching sucks. Every team gets injuries. Pearson was an unknown regardless. Besides him we are missing Merryweather out of the pen. If we can’t overcome those guys on the pitching side of things, the pitching is garbage.

Merryweather, Borucki, Phelps, and Hatch is a pretty huge chunk of the pen if you ask me.

 

[canucksfan]

Merryweather, Borucki, Phelps, and Hatch is a pretty huge chunk of the pen if you ask me.

Yates too although he was a big gamble.

This stretch has been painful to watch but it isn’t that bad. If the bullpen didn’t suck Jays could have won two maybe three games this series.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Go to the world series, trade your best player away, trade your shortstop and then win 11 straight and be atop the AL East. Rinse and repeat. Doing it for years since the Archer theft and doing it well.

And they have the best prospect in baseball due up soon along with another top 20 guy in Brujan

They will continue to be a pain for years to come.