Rumor: Jiri Hudler could sign this week, Canucks are in the mix

[NYVanfan]

That team had a prime Kesler and Burrows in the top 6 with Samuelsson. They also had Torres and Hansen on the 3rd line.

Canucks top 6 with Hudler is going to be super soft, top 9 just as bad.

i think youre making the Luongo defender's point ...

they were seriously lacking offensively ... sedins had to do it all (and didnt)

kesler had one good playoff (nashville) otherwise, overrated.
Burrows is a spot-picker (in more ways than one.) Both better suited for 3rd line on a champ. team

 

[NYVanfan]

No, he's correct. Luongo was mediocre in the finals at best, and Thomas played insanely well. Vancouver scored very few goals because of Thomas. Boston scored a lot of goals because of Luongo.

true in the boston games
not true in game 7. Luo was fine. Boston was just better overall
up until game 4, even game 5, Luo was in conn smyth consideration

game 6 he let in 4 in the first 5 mins, raymond got his back busted and it was done.
games 3&4 the canucks overall were atrocious, with so many breakaways and aaaarrrggg why am i doing this

 

[me2]

And then lost because the Bruins bullied them

Nope. They lost because they ran out of healthy bodies, a lot of injuries got carried into the finals, then they lost Hamhuis and Rome.

They were up 2-0 when they had Hamhuis. Rome got suspended. Ehrhoff, Edler tried to play through serious injuries. I can't recall if/what Salo was injured as well.

1-2-3 centres Sedin (back)-Kesler(hip surgery)-Malhotra (eye) were trying to play injured. On Raymond broke his back, Samuelsson was out.

Nobody should be winning the cup with that injury load against a relatively healthy opponent. The fact they took it to 7 was impressive.

Even then you had players like Kesler, Bieksa, Lapierre, Rome, Torres, Glass, and Alberts, who are no longer in the lineup. Your lineup was considerably larger and tougher then than it is now.

Benning's team is small and soft. It isn't even fast.

 

[Luck 6]

Ok there bud, I hate to break it to you but the Sedins are soft. They literally have no push back

We have different definitions of the word soft then. I consider a soft player to be a perimeter player, someone like Mason Raymond. Raymond never went to the net, always avoided contact, got beat in the corners a lot, and had no push back or physical hitting ability.

The Sedins don't have push back or physical hitting ability, but these are two players who have carved out their entire career by winning battles and dominating the dirtiest parts of the ice. They go to the net hard, they don't avoid physical contact at all, they battle hard along the boards and are two of the best cyclers in the game. No, they aren't Lucic, but to say they are soft is ridiculous.

If in your mind a player who doesn't hit, fight, and physically punish his opponents is soft, then sure. That isn't my definition though, not by a long shot.

 

[tantalum]

You just made it super obvious that you don't pay attention to the Canucks at all. Trending towards a slower puck control game? Is that why they've been drafting nothing but strong skaters, trading away their slower puck control players for similar fast north-south ones eg Bonino for Sutter? Other than the Sedins the team has only been trending towards getting more speed and less puck possession.

Skating fast does not equal puck possession.

 

[ginovegas]

according to dredger, he signed a PTO with Habs today

 

[PranaFerox]

according to dredger, he signed a PTO with Habs today

Fake account.

 

[Bankerguy]

Sutter is a good defensive center... with some offensive touch, perfect 3C.
Horvat is trending up big time and has lower end 1C potential. Put HIM on the second line. He'll put up 50 points this year for sure.

Sedin Sedin (unknown)
Hudler Horvat Eriksson
Hansen Sutter Virtanen

A monkey could pot 20 goals on the Sedin line. This top 9 gives you two legit scoring punches and a third line that can hit, grind, skate and chip in offensively. If only Sven.B was RW, he'd fit in as 1RW and it would be set.

 

[The Drop]

No, they lost because their goalie was psychologically damaged while the Bruins goalie played out of his mind. Have the goalies switch sides and the soft team beats the bullies easily.

Truth

 

[The Jesus*]

I'd happily take Hudler in Vancouver.

 

[Tryamkin]

Sutter is a good defensive center... with some offensive touch, perfect 3C.
Horvat is trending up big time and has lower end 1C potential. Put HIM on the second line. He'll put up 50 points this year for sure.

Sedin Sedin (unknown)
Hudler Horvat Eriksson
Hansen Sutter Virtanen

A monkey could pot 20 goals on the Sedin line. This top 9 gives you two legit scoring punches and a third line that can hit, grind, skate and chip in offensively. If only Sven.B was RW, he'd fit in as 1RW and it would be set.

Maybe your opinion, but it will never happen. Eriksson, much like Vrbata was signed specifically for playing with the Sedins and we saw what happened when Vrabat was separated from the Sedins last year.

Horvat and SvenBae had great chemistry last year so they really won't be separated. There's no way Sven will play on the 4th line either.

Hansen is a RW, he won't / doesn't play LW.

Virtanen honestly should play in Utica. Will be better for his development and if he really hits his stride then we should bring him up half way through the season.

All indications point to Sutter being the 2C, and I feel Horvat will play better without the weight on his shoulders this year transitioning into a full time 2C the year after that.

If your lines are the lines the Canucks start the year with in regular season games, i'll change my username to Trashamkin.

 

[Loopy0ne]

Welcome to Bennington

 

[gianni]

We have different definitions of the word soft then. I consider a soft player to be a perimeter player, someone like Mason Raymond. Raymond never went to the net, always avoided contact, got beat in the corners a lot, and had no push back or physical hitting ability.

The Sedins don't have push back or physical hitting ability, but these are two players who have carved out their entire career by winning battles and dominating the dirtiest parts of the ice. They go to the net hard, they don't avoid physical contact at all, they battle hard along the boards and are two of the best cyclers in the game. No, they aren't Lucic, but to say they are soft is ridiculous.

If in your mind a player who doesn't hit, fight, and physically punish his opponents is soft, then sure. That isn't my definition though, not by a long shot.

Exactly. I'd also add durability as a piece of criteria to assess whether a player is soft or not; and the Sedins are some of the most durable players in the league. It usually takes a cheap shot from a dirty player for them to miss a significant portion of the season. At worst, they're similar to players like Brandon Sutter or Chris Higgins; they are not in the Mason Raymond or Linden Vey tier.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

As for adding the 3 older players where does leave the youth development. I can see Hudler and maybe Vermette for cheap, which is not bad. Let Vrbata walk, bring in a young guy, gotta start the refresh soon. Eriksson is a very tough player, do not let his style fool you. To take that punishment and still score, he is going be good for you, sad to see him go. An excellent PK and PP guy and a superb puck possesion player, who shuts guys down. Why not make a pitch for Vesey he is a freebie pick, August 15th he is open to the market.

Bullies term made me curious so I looked into the stats and it was not a huge difference in penalty minutes, (19) over 7 games. Penalty minutes Boston 179, Canucks 160 (that does not include the Rome Suspension)

Penalty minute leaders per team were
Kesler-35, Burrows-28 and Daniel Sedin-24,
Marchand -22, Ference -22, Seidenberg -21.

Actually the bullies were pretty good at the skilled game, the penalty killers scored (3) goals goals vs the canucks powerplay (2). The final totals were 23 to 8 that is almost 3 times as many goals. Eight goals is also a record low for a 7 game series. Boston ended up a plus 28 in the playoffs and Canucks a minus 11.

You cannot simply blame Lou, that team dee was bad to allow those stats. Thomas was great but so was Bergeron, Marchand and Recchi, that line was a combined plus 19 in that series alone and 10 goals between them. Marchand had 5 goals including 2 short handed. It came down to team defence commitment and who wanted it more, like it always does.

 

[thepuckmonster]

As for adding the 3 older players where does leave the youth development. I can see Hudler and maybe Vermette for cheap, which is not bad. Let Vrbata walk, bring in a young guy, gotta start the refresh soon. Eriksson is a very tough player, do not let his style fool you. To take that punishment and still score, he is going be good for you, sad to see him go. An excellent PK and PP guy and a superb puck possesion player, who shuts guys down. Why not make a pitch for Vesey he is a freebie pick, August 15th he is open to the market.

Bullies term made me curious so I looked into the stats and it was not a huge difference in penalty minutes, (19) over 7 games. Penalty minutes Boston 179, Canucks 160 (that does not include the Rome Suspension)

Penalty minute leaders per team were
Kesler-35, Burrows-28 and Daniel Sedin-24,
Marchand -22, Ference -22, Seidenberg -21.

Actually the bullies were pretty good at the skilled game, the penalty killers scored (3) goals goals vs the canucks powerplay (2). The final totals were 23 to 8 that is almost 3 times as many goals. Eight goals is also a record low for a 7 game series. Boston ended up a plus 28 in the playoffs and Canucks a minus 11.

You cannot simply blame Lou, that team dee was bad to allow those stats. Thomas was great but so was Bergeron, Marchand and Recchi, that line was a combined plus 19 in that series alone and 10 goals between them. Marchand had 5 goals including 2 short handed. It came down to team defence commitment and who wanted it more, like it always does.

Just to summarize your well thought out post, AV got out coached hard with a really injury riddled roster.

 

[JuniorNelson]

Canucks signing Hudler would block a rookie. Given their current state, how is that a good thing?

 

[tony d]

Hudler would be a good add for vancouver. Maybe they won't be the worst team in the league this year.

 

[Mr Positive]

Canucks signing Hudler would block a rookie. Given their current state, how is that a good thing?

because they would win more games?

 

[Slush]

The Canucks will definitely be really soft if they get Hudler.

 

[tdfxman]

Hoping it's wrong and he signs a cheap deal with the Blackhawks.

Disclaimer: This post in no way represents the BH fan community. Van you can have him.

 

[rypper]

No, he's correct. Luongo was mediocre in the finals at best, and Thomas played insanely well. Vancouver scored very few goals because of Thomas. Boston scored a lot of goals because of Luongo.

If the canucks win, Lou gets the conn smythe.

 

[Seventy7]

The Canucks will definitely be really soft if they get Hudler.

I don get this logic. If they don't get hudler its not like there's someone else in the organization that's going to make them tougher in the top 6... Hudler will add offence to a group that needs secondary scoring.

If the cap and term is 2 years or less, this should be a very decent pick up for them.

 

[vipernsx]

Veggie and taters lineup.

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

I don get this logic. If they don't get hudler its not like there's someone else in the organization that's going to make them tougher in the top 6... Hudler will add offence to a group that needs secondary scoring.

If the cap and term is 2 years or less, this should be a very decent pick up for them.

Well, it's Virtanen who would be bumped out, so it would result in a softer team.

 

[HC Jets]

And then lost because the Bruins bullied them

Even then you had players like Kesler, Bieksa, Lapierre, Rome, Torres, Glass, and Alberts, who are no longer in the lineup. Your lineup was considerably larger and tougher then than it is now.

Kesler and Bieksa are the only ones of that group that even belong in the NHL anymore. And also giving headshots does not make Raffi Torres tough...he's average in penalty minutes.