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haohmaru said:
Show me the last time a team 2nd in the conference traded their best offensive defenseman and possibly best defenseman at the deadline for lesser players and draft picks. Or anything else.

Citing what Yandle, or the team, did two months later is meaningless speculative hindsight.
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Last time I checked, that was McDonagh.

Gorton knew he wasn't' going to resign him, hell I don't even think that had any negotiations from what was reported. Trading Yandle at the deadline to refill the pipeline and land a talented young defenseman wouldn't have all of a sudden put us from 3 in the conference to last place. It probably wouldn't have effected a single thing except we would be in a MUCH better position right now.
 
FLYLine27 said:
Last time I checked, that was McDonagh.

Gorton knew he wasn't' going to resign him, hell I don't even think that had any negotiations from what was reported. Trading Yandle at the deadline to refill the pipeline and land a talented young defenseman wouldn't have all of a sudden put us from 3 in the conference to last place. It probably wouldn't have effected a single thing except we would be in a MUCH better position right now.
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McD is their "best offensive defenseman"?

I said "possibly best defenseman".

Once again, you're making an argument that I'm not making. I didn't say it wouldn't been in the best interests of the team to make a deal. It probably would've been. I'm not against the concept. I think the Rangers, particularly in their own end, were a team going nowhere fast last year.

That being said, I'll ask again - when has a team 2nd or 3rd in the conference ever traded their 1 or 1A D for prospects and/or a lesser player at the trade deadline?

Teams that (think they) are in contention don't make deals like that and, from a Rangers management perspective, they probably thought that a seasoned playoff team like the Rangers would've turned it up in the playoffs and not been entirely wrong to assume that.

It's unrealistic, and in my recollection, would be unprecedented. I'm not against the theory/proposal(s), but it wasn't going to happen.
 
haohmaru said:
McD is their "best offensive defenseman"?

I said "possibly best defenseman".

Once again, you're making an argument that I'm not making. I didn't say it wouldn't been in the best interests of the team to make a deal. It probably would've been. I'm not against the concept. I think the Rangers, particularly in their own end, were a team going nowhere fast last year.

That being said, I'll ask again - when has a team 2nd or 3rd in the conference ever traded their 1 or 1A D for prospects and/or a lesser player at the trade deadline?

Teams that (think they) are in contention don't make deals like that and, from a Rangers management perspective, they probably thought that a seasoned playoff team like the Rangers would've turned it up in the playoffs and not been entirely wrong to assume that.

It's unrealistic, and in my recollection, would be unprecedented. I'm not against the theory/proposal(s), but it wasn't going to happen.
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Even his offense is overblow.

McD, while playing injured for part of the season, still manged to still have a .47 PPG...Yandle had .56 PPG. His offense was nice, but it wasn't any type of game breaking offense.

But it's over and done with and beating a dead horse at this point. What has happened, happened.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
We can mock Pierre for all his quirks and superlatives, but the guy knows the game and is a good spotter of talent.
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really? i think just the opposite..he tends to overhype prospects more than anyone on this message board...every forward is the next gretzky, every defenseman is the next orr....always talks about their upside, never their warts...or at least not as often as he should.

i think his scouting reports tend to be wholly unrealistic for the most part.

i remember him talking about Jesper Fasth as if he were the next coming of Teemu Selanne or something...
 
I think we could have made a Brassard/Zibanejad type deal for Yandle last year, but I understand why they didn't move him. The really egregious move was trading for Eric Staal. No one in their right mind could have believed that Staal was worth what we gave up for him or that he would someone be the difference between us winning or not winning the cup.
 
Inferno said:
really? i think just the opposite..he tends to overhype prospects more than anyone on this message board...every forward is the next gretzky, every defenseman is the next orr....always talks about their upside, never their warts...or at least not as often as he should.

i think his scouting reports tend to be wholly unrealistic for the most part.

i remember him talking about Jesper Fasth as if he were the next coming of Teemu Selanne or something...
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When you hyperbolize perceived hyperbole
 
FLYLine27 said:
Yup, he did when Staal was a 18-19 year old and said he was going to be a VERY good defenseman in the NHL...was he wrong? Nope. Staal was a rock for us until he suffered 2-3 massive injuries (knee, eye, head).
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oh i know, I'm not disputing that at all. He STILL loves Marc Staal to this day, that was the joke lol
 
There's two Pierre McGuire's. One is the player/prospect hype-man, and the other is someone who can give thoughtful insight into players without being hyperbolic. The latter tends to show up more in 1 on 1 interviews, while the former is the guy you get on national broadcasts and on the draft floor.
 
Beacon said:
Truth is the Rangers missed out big by not getting Stamkos. I know people don't like the idea of getting UFAs for a ton of money, but every team that won the Cup had an elite center. Stamkos qualifies, Stepan doesn't. Stamkos scored over a point per game in 5 of his 8 NHL seasons, and I am not a big believer that he's on the way down as a 26 year old, same age as Stepan.

Plus, instead of getting Mika for Brassard, the Rangers would've gotten a good defenseman, or alternatively, Brass for Mika, then Stepan for a defenseman.

The cap space would've been easy to make: we have about $3 left open right now, so trade Nash and the cap space is wide open. Ultimately, the Rangers will need to figure out a way to acquire a star center because one is not coming from withing the organization.
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I was one of the first advocating getting Stamkos but, truth is, with state tax break and an extra year there really was not a team out there who could outbid Tampa's offer. Add all of the intangible considerations and it becomes a slam dunk only option.

This is an only reason for an immediate Nash trade - to be able to sign a player of this $9 - 10 m status but they generally never become UFAs or available in a trade.
 
kovazub94 said:
I was one of the first advocating getting Stamkos but, truth is, with state tax break and an extra year there really was not a team out there who could outbid Tampa's offer. Add all of the intangible considerations and it becomes a slam dunk only option.

This is an only reason for an immediate Nash trade - to be able to sign a player of this $9 - 10 m status but they generally never become UFAs or available in a trade.
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I'd immediately trade Nash for the right return but yeah if tehy're not getting good offers then keep him for now...
 
The Rangers were not one of the teams to meet with Stamkos who went back to TB after meeting with the other teams. They didn't miss out on him. Brooks reported the Rangers weren't going in the Stamkos direction and they didn't.
 
Levitate said:
I'd immediately trade Nash for the right return but yeah if tehy're not getting good offers then keep him for now...
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Yup, I was just adding to a discussion in the parallel thread (trade Nash now for pennies vs. keeping him until he has a chance to restore his value).
 
Revel said:
Brett thinks Vesey will be replacing Brassard at Center, too. He needs to wake up. :laugh:
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I saw an article where Brett had $1,925,000 listed as the bonuses for Vesey but those numbers were edited out of the article when I tried to find it again earlier tonight.

I later saw Fluto Shinzawa of the Boston Globe had the same numbers as Brett

On Friday, the Charlestown native and North Reading resident agreed to a two-year entry-level contract with the New York Rangers. Vesey will earn rookie maximums in both base pay ($925,000) and performance bonuses ($1.925 million) per year, according to a source familiar with the negotiations.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...ith-rangers/YNrDCenKUjR7x3qAolTdJJ/story.html

Fluto didn't edit them. He got them from reading Brett.
 
This is apparently what Kevin Hayes received



Some of those A bonuses are reachable depending upon how Vesey plays and is used assuming Vesey received the same deal.
 
Congrats Rangers... really hoped he would sign with the Hawks. He is a nice addition, and the Rangers have a nice group of young players.

Cannot hate on the Rangers, original six, great jersey, and good memories when we first got cable way back when and watched Rangers games on WOR.
 
Irishguy42 said:
Well, Holden is wearing #22 this year.
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Great now he's destined to be the scapegoat. :laugh:

unbridledid said:
Congrats Rangers... really hoped he would sign with the Hawks. He is a nice addition, and the Rangers have a nice group of young players.

Cannot hate on the Rangers, original six, great jersey, and good memories when we first got cable way back when and watched Rangers games on WOR.
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Thanks!
 
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