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Player Discussion Jimmy Vesey

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HatTrick Swayze said:
This is why I think the hype is out of control. No way IMO.
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More flashy, for sure. But hockey is about more than just flashy wingers. Hayes had 45 points as a rookie, centering the 3rd line. If Vesey gets 45 points, I'm buying people a beer when I am in NY. I expect him to get 30, maybe 35 max
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
This is why I think the hype is out of control. No way IMO.
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Really? No way?

Vesey's defensive game coming into this season is already better than Hayes'. It's not just about points. Maybe EJ is factoring that in also?

"hype out of control"

There has been no crazy hype at all about him. Nobody is saying he is winning the Calder, nobody is saying he's scoring 35 goals and 60 points. Pretty much the most people are saying he will be able to jump right in, contribute and likely put up 3rd line points, possibly a little more. How does that equal "the hype is out of control". I mean he was just one of the top college players the last 2 years for a reason..
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
This is why I think the hype is out of control. No way IMO.
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Just from what I have read, it seems like Vesey is more of a goal scorer than Hayes? Also seems like many people chalked up Hayes' success to him playing with Gaudreau.

Might be why Vesey is a bit more hyped. In any case, if he can come in and play above average defense for a rookie, and contribute 30-35 points, I'll be happy.
 
FLYLine27 said:
Really? No way?

Vesey's defensive game coming into this season is already better than Hayes'. It's not just about points. Maybe EJ is factoring that in also?

"hype out of control"

There has been no crazy hype at all about him. Nobody is saying he is winning the Calder, nobody is saying he's scoring 35 goals and 60 points. Pretty much the most people are saying he will be able to jump right in, contribute and likely put up 3rd line points, possibly a little more. How does that equal "the hype is out of control". I mean he was just one of the top college players the last 2 years for a reason..
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To the bolded, based on what?

No crazy hype about him? I've seen him penciled into the top 6 on constantly. That 40 points is guarenteed. How about we start with...making the team out of camp. (And obviously for a variety of reasons he will)

Vesey is a player that has excelled with the puck on his stick. He did it all for Harvard. Some "puck hog" in him. Learning to play well with equally/more skilled teammates and against better competition is a huge step that should not be understated. How does he put up points when he can't rag the puck through three players? He can get there but it's gonna take some time.
 
Vesey and Hayes are different kinds of players at least in a lot of ways. Vesey seems to be more of a shooter for one thing. Could Vesey turn out to be better in his rookie season than Hayes? Why not? Really none of us know yet how Vesey's going to adjust and adapt and it took Kevin Hayes a while to adjust and adapt himself in his first year. A lot will also depend on the players he plays with and the opportunities he gets from the coaching staff.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
To the bolded, based on what?

No crazy hype about him? I've seen him penciled into the top 6 on constantly. That 40 points is guarenteed. How about we start with...making the team out of camp. (And obviously for a variety of reasons he will)

Vesey is a player that has excelled with the puck on his stick. He did it all for Harvard. Some "puck hog" in him. Learning to play well with equally/more skilled teammates and against better competition is a huge step that should not be understated. How does he put up points when he can't rag the puck through three players? He can get there but it's gonna take some time.
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Do you think that Vesey and Hayes might play together a lot this year? I think they probably will and Hayes being more of a playmaking type he needs a winger than can finish and Hayes ain't going to pick up assists if someone doesn't put the puck in the net.
 
i think Kevin Hayes is a bit underrated around here...i think hes a good player who had a down season only in the fact that it wasnt an improvement on a terrific rookie year.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
To the bolded, based on what?

No crazy hype about him? I've seen him penciled into the top 6 on constantly. That 40 points is guarenteed. How about we start with...making the team out of camp. (And obviously for a variety of reasons he will)

Vesey is a player that has excelled with the puck on his stick. He did it all for Harvard. Some "puck hog" in him. Learning to play well with equally/more skilled teammates and against better competition is a huge step that should not be understated. How does he put up points when he can't rag the puck through three players? He can get there but it's gonna take some time.
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Well, most of the scouting reports say that he's got a great head for the game, so I think he'll be able to adjust to the NHL level. Also doesn't hurt that's 6'2 and can protect the puck very well. He has the tools and the mind to be a very solid NHLer. Might not come this season, but he's 23 and has an NHL ready body. I do think it'll take him a bit of time to adjust, like Hayes, but when he gets it he could take off.
 
Brian Boyle said:
Well, most of the scouting reports say that he's got a great head for the game, so I think he'll be able to adjust to the NHL level. Also doesn't hurt that's 6'2 and can protect the puck very well. He has the tools and the mind to be a very solid NHLer. Might not come this season, but he's 23 and has an NHL ready body. I do think it'll take him a bit of time to adjust, like Hayes, but when he gets it he could take off.
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That's kind of the feeling I have. Kevin Hayes felt his way through most of the first half of his rookie season and then took off. I think Carl Hagelin's speed and the chemistry those two developed accentuated Hayes development. When Hagelin moved on that made Hayes easier to defend against. If both Buchnevich and Vesey can produce offense this year though Hayes (no matter who is wingers actually are) and the third line are going to be a lot more effective than they were last year. Hayes needs at least one productive winger and being more the playmaker than a shooter Hayes needs a winger who is willing to shoot the puck and can finish.
 
EJ Hradek is a big Vesey fan. He talked about him so much during the season and especially when Vesey decided to pursue free agency.
 
Inferno said:
i think Kevin Hayes is a bit underrated around here...i think hes a good player who had a down season only in the fact that it wasnt an improvement on a terrific rookie year.
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A good portion of this board turned him on very quickly.

I still like his upside and potential. Maybe it's because I never compared him to Joe Thornton that I didn't feel let down by a sophmore slump. Either way, I think he rebounds this year.
 
JanErixon20 said:
Read the other boards and the rest of the internet. Rangers are old.
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.....and not just old--their window is closed and they're finished as a competitive team for at least the next 10 years. The Sabres are ready to contend and the Leafs are maybe a season away from contending. Taylor Hall is going to take the Devils all of the way to the Cup. The Rangers are hamstrung by the cap because of Girardi and Staal--have no room to maneuver to make themselves better and their farm system is a joke.

That is pretty much what I hear anyway.
 
Reverse order of Hayes' first and second seasons and I bet he'd be penciled in to pivot 1st line and get close to 60 points. Development is not a straight line and I expect that he learned his lessons from the sophomore year (as well as the organization to compliment him with the right wingers). Before Staal trade I loved how his line with Bergs was developing.
 
I feel like Hayes was out of shape and played catchup all year. It happens. And even then he still played well.

I expect a great season from him this year tbh
 
Edge said:
A good portion of this board turned him on very quickly.

I still like his upside and potential. Maybe it's because I never compared him to Joe Thornton that I didn't feel let down by a sophmore slump. Either way, I think he rebounds this year.
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Fans usually turn on players when they look disinterested for half the season. Hayes looked like he was coasting for a big part of the year where as during his rookie season his effort level appeared to be considerably higher.

I am still optimistic about him because his talent is clearly there. He just needs to bring the effort every night.
 
Raspewtin said:
I feel like Hayes was out of shape and played catchup all year. It happens. And even then he still played well.

I expect a great season from him this year tbh
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I think "out of shape" is always kind of a copout. Maybe he wasn't in the right kind of shape, or hadn't prepared enough to handle the increased scrutiny of being a second year player, but I really doubt that NHL players are "out of shape". Management and coaching would have been a lot more pissed off at him

His problems seemed to be more in the being surprised he wasn't being given as much time and space as he was as a rookie.

That said, I think a good off season of prep and perhaps more targeted training can do him a world of good. He's a monster of a 3rd line center if he bounces back

e: and like people said, he had a good thing going with Hags on his line and really benefits from having someone who can retrieve pucks. Hopefully he'll get that this year.
 
Levitate said:
I think "out of shape" is always kind of a copout. Maybe he wasn't in the right kind of shape, or hadn't prepared enough to handle the increased scrutiny of being a second year player, but I really doubt that NHL players are "out of shape".
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Eh I think when most people say an NHL player is out-of-shape, they don't mean it the way same way you'd say about some guy on the street. Out-of-shape for an NHL player is still in fantastic shape for 99% of the population.

Unless we're talking about Big Buff. For him, out of shape is morbidly obese. That guy is best described by quoting H.S.T. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
 
kovazub94 said:
Sure, but it is clear to see why the Rangers keep going to this well... Whatever your measure of success is.
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Yes. And it's not just signing undrafted college free agents like Bickel. It's also the decision to draft players and let them mature in the NCAA. It takes a few years but when they make the jump they usually need just a few months to step up to the big league after they reach their 20s. Examples of this are obviously McDonagh and Hagelin.
 
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