Post-Game Talk: Jets Rollercoaster is now going up. Jets win 4-2

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I wonder if Pavs and Montoya are doing victory bacon shots and tequila shooters tonight. Whatever a bacon shot is.
 

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Maybe we can start a bizarre rumour about Pavs? Like after each win he has to eat a package of bacon in the bathroom at Palomino?

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Good game. Great to win one. Thought Monty was solid - and his puck handling helped the team out a few times...nice to see.

Scheif/Frolik/Halischuk seem to have some chemistry. They look like a good complimentary mix. I've watched the highlight of Halischuk's goal a few times - Schiefele is just kind of standing behind the net there, watching everything...not critical of his work on that play that led to the goal, but what was he doing?

I think if the Jets can get 47 shots on goal every game things will start to look up... :sarcasm:
 

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A bit late, but here are some of my thoughts from the game tonight:

Keaton Ellerby is a pretty good skater for his size. Thought he played very well for his first game.

3rd line was excellent once again.

Man, Frolik just does not want to pass the puck to Scheifele. It's something I've noticed these past few games. Perhaps it is just the way he plays and would rather shoot/carry the puck than pass even though his teamate is wide open.

Sheifele with a great game tonight and was doing pretty well on faceoffs. Let's hope this trend continues.

Ladd was criminally underrated this game. He was definitely worthy of a 3 star nod IMO.

Speaking of 3 stars, here are my 3 stars for the game:

1. Ladd (excellent play all around).
2. Scheifele (excellent vision and passing. When everyone in the building was telling him to shoot, he made a sick pass between the Detroit defenders legs straight to Frolik for the goal. Colour me impressed!)
3. Little (Just another solid game from Little. Not only is he playing well, but he is playing consistently well. Suddenly, his contract is looking like a steal.)
 

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I've watched the highlight of Halischuk's goal a few times - Schiefele is just kind of standing behind the net there, watching everything...not critical of his work on that play that led to the goal, but what was he doing?

I don't remember too many details on that play, but I was scared he wouldn't get an assist since he was a big part of the play just before it went behind the net. Sorry, wish I could remember more details.

Edit: Just watched the replay and it was a shot/rebound that led the play to behind the net.
 
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A bit late, but here are some of my thoughts from the game tonight:

Keaton Ellerby is a pretty good skater for his size. Thought he played very well for his first game.

3rd line was excellent once again.

Man, Frolik just does not want to pass the puck to Scheifele. It's something I've noticed these past few games. Perhaps it is just the way he plays and would rather shoot/carry the puck than pass even though his teamate is wide open.

Sheifele with a great game tonight and was doing pretty well on faceoffs. Let's hope this trend continues.

Ladd was criminally underrated this game. He was definitely worthy of a 3 star nod IMO.

Speaking of 3 stars, here are my 3 stars for the game:

1. Ladd (excellent play all around).
2. Scheifele (excellent vision and passing. When everyone in the building was telling him to shoot, he made a sick pass between the Detroit defenders legs straight to Frolik for the goal. Colour me impressed!)
3. Little (Just another solid game from Little. Not only is he playing well, but he is playing consistently well. Suddenly, his contract is looking like a steal.)


I've noticed this as well. Frolik doesn't pass the puck to Scheif. Maybe that will change but i've seen it more than a couple of times.
 

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Good game. Great to win one. Thought Monty was solid - and his puck handling helped the team out a few times...nice to see.

Scheif/Frolik/Halischuk seem to have some chemistry. They look like a good complimentary mix. I've watched the highlight of Halischuk's goal a few times - Schiefele is just kind of standing behind the net there, watching everything...not critical of his work on that play that led to the goal, but what was he doing?

Was at the game, but not sure what you're seeing? Schiefele helped get the puck out, actually bounces it off the net and back to Frolik which let Frolik escape and get it out to Halischuk. Definitely played a big part on that goal.
 

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I agree he should get the next start but let's not get carried away. The Wings barely showed up and I think Howard's save% for the game is probably higher than Monty's (well close).

Here's my point. I was never nervous at any point that Montoya wasn't going to stop the puck. The first goal was an impossible deflection right in front and the second goal was post in on a one timer. Not unstoppable but a decent chance.

Montoya wasn't perfect but his totally in control demeanor and puck control made me feel confident. I bet he makes his teammates feel the same.
 

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What's this, about the 50th post you've made tonight of the same bit? It's good. You should take it on the road.




Good game jets! We scored more goals than we let in. Monty looked solid. On to Chicago!

Apparently the universe must have shifted, because someone named 'Ebberle' plays for the Jets and we should tank this year for a player that can't be drafted until 2015. :sarcasm:
 

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Here's my point. I was never nervous at any point that Montoya wasn't going to stop the puck. The first goal was an impossible deflection right in front and the second goal was post in on a one timer. Not unstoppable but a decent chance.

Montoya wasn't perfect but his totally in control demeanor and puck control made me feel confident. I bet he makes his teammates feel the same.

I liked Montoya tonight but Detroit weren't at their best. I don't think he did anything that would get him benched next game, but we'll see.

Regarding their 2nd goal tonight, that was quite similar to Hjalmarsson's goal on Saturday. I checked that GDT and Pavelec was criticized by a fair few there for his goal. I think fans expect more from Pavelec than Monty so I'm not surprised not much was said about it tonight (plus we won so it's not under the spotlight as much). I think both shots were very tough to stop, for the record.

I don't think Pavs would have lost this game either, but who knows. Montoya played well and should probably get another start.
 

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Why the ***** don't they play like this all the time?

The golden question.

Ps. Did you guys see how Monty just let the puck land on his stick right near the end of the game on a Wings dump in? I don't know if I've ever seen Pavs do something with that level of eye-hand-stick coordination.
 

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Good game. Great to win one. Thought Monty was solid - and his puck handling helped the team out a few times...nice to see.

Scheif/Frolik/Halischuk seem to have some chemistry. They look like a good complimentary mix. I've watched the highlight of Halischuk's goal a few times - Schiefele is just kind of standing behind the net there, watching everything...not critical of his work on that play that led to the goal, but what was he doing?

I think if the Jets can get 47 shots on goal every game things will start to look up... :sarcasm:

For me, goaltending in the NHL today is about more than just making the saves. A lot has to do with handling the puck for his D and controlling rebounds. Those things translate into better transition, less time played in your own zone, and ultimately less good chances against. Montoya has been better at those aspects than Pavs, so if he's stopping shots as well as Pavs then his puck-handling gives him an edge. It makes it easier for the Jets D too.
 

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Great game. I thought most of the team played very well. Montoya was solid again and deserves the next start.
 

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Here's my point. I was never nervous at any point that Montoya wasn't going to stop the puck. The first goal was an impossible deflection right in front and the second goal was post in on a one timer. Not unstoppable but a decent chance.

Montoya wasn't perfect but his totally in control demeanor and puck control made me feel confident. I bet he makes his teammates feel the same.

That first goal if went in on Pavelec complaints would have been he over played the shot and was out of position.
Second goal was easily stoppable and should have been stopped.
Montoya lets it in.... "eh oh well get the next one" Pavelec lets it in this place is in melt down mode.

I wasnt nervous with him in net per say, but he did have quite a few shots that after they hit him he had no idea where the puck was and was looking around. More so than even Pavelec does.
 

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Welp, wading in on the great Pavelec vs. Montoya debate.

I don't believe that either is a bonafide starter. Pavelec couldn't land as the starter on any other team (well, maybe Florida, but that's a debate for another day), and Montoya just hasn't ever shown that he deserved to be a first round pick either. So, that's a wash to me.

What does sway my opinion in favour of the big Cubano, though, is the marked difference in how the Jets, as a team and the defence, played in front of him last night. I thought I had seen flashes of that in the New Jersey game, but last night it was noticeable. He talked to the players, he was willing to handle the puck and direct some traffic, and the Jets responded. The Jets were using passes through the defensive zone, initiating rushes in a way that doesn't happen with nearly as much frequency when Pavelec is in goal. The Jets just seem more, confident?, with Montoya.

Based on this, I would start Montoya until he craps the bed, to be honest. Accomplishes two things - keeps building the confidence of the defenders, and gives Pavelec a kick in the pants. If he's got to work to be a starter, maybe he actually works at it to improve his deficiencies.

Other than that, I'm really happy with the win. Sure, there are nits to pick, like with every game, and the claim can be made that the Wings didn't bring their A game, but kudos to the Jets for taking the opportunities afforded and getting the well deserved win.

Enstrom had a fantastic game - he stood Tootoo up along the boards more than once, he was gold with the puck in the D zone, and was the most effective point man on the PP, I thought.

Buff? Ouch. His worst game this season.

Ellerby was better than I had anticipated, and Pardy played well enough to take Stuart's job away, IMO.

The FroSH line was awesome, and I thought the Joker had one of his better games, along with Tangradi and Wheels.

Ladd and Little? I'd go to war with those two. Little has been simply the Jets best player this year, and tonight Ladd showed why he is a captain, and why 30 goals is possible. Give me those garbage goals every game. He's so willing to do the dirty work, which is how the garbage goals go in.

Keep playing like that, and the wins will start showing up.

As a last note, Noel outcoached Babcock, as far as I'm concerned. The Wings made some adjustments to start the 2nd, and Noel countered, because the Jets started taking the game back to the Wings before the period was finished, and the Wings had no answers by the 3rd.

Trade Buff, fire Noel, demote Scheifele and release Pavs.
 

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That first goal if went in on Pavelec complaints would have been he over played the shot and was out of position.
Second goal was easily stoppable and should have been stopped.
Montoya lets it in.... "eh oh well get the next one" Pavelec lets it in this place is in melt down mode.

I wasnt nervous with him in net per say, but he did have quite a few shots that after they hit him he had no idea where the puck was and was looking around. More so than even Pavelec does.

I'll tell you what, you and the other Pavs people go ahead and rag on Monty for every goal he lets in and tell everyone that "Pavs would be crucified for that one" all you want. As long as we're winning games, I'm happy.

For the record, people were on Pavs for the third goal the other night primarily because of him already having let in the poor second one. Things sort of snowballed there...
 
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