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lanky said:
I'm not so interested in looking at a history of Russians coming to the NHL.... it's clear to me that those who are good enough will give the NHL a try. It's where they want to be.

I'm much more interested in knowing if any or how many players who played in Russia last year made it to the NHL this year. Has the war cutoff the pathway to North America, or are these players free to leave when their contract is up? Does it depend on who owns their club, and how that owner feels about Putin's ambitions?

Edit: I follow two NHL teams and I know that neither had any Russians come over this year. Wondering if there are some examples with other teams.
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Off the top of my head, Yaroslav Askarov came over. Kuzmenko as a FA had no issues coming over.

Kirill Marchenko came over.

I'm sure there are others.

Edit : Kravtsov came back over
 
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lanky said:
I'm not so interested in looking at a history of Russians coming to the NHL.... it's clear to me that those who are good enough will give the NHL a try. It's where they want to be.

I'm much more interested in knowing if any or how many players who played in Russia last year made it to the NHL this year. Has the war cutoff the pathway to North America, or are these players free to leave when their contract is up? Does it depend on who owns their club, and how that owner feels about Putin's ambitions?

Edit: I follow two NHL teams and I know that neither had any Russians come over this year. Wondering if there are some examples with other teams.
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Kuzmenko came over. Question isn't really how many came over though, it's how many could have, were good enough to, but chose not to/weren't allowed to. Which is impossible to know. Which was really my main issue with the post that started all this, the certainty that they'll never play for the Jets when in reality we have no idea.
 
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Mardy Bum's list of four KHLers that came to N.A. after the onset of war, is enough for me to believe that not much has changed. I'm not saying nothing has changed. The risk is somewhat higher than it was, but I'd still be happy to draft more Russians if the value is there.

I'd bet Rashevsky and Chibrikov will come when they're ready. Probably 2023 when their contracts are up.
 
Kyosama said:
There are many things wrong here. Telegin didn't bolt, he had severe concussion and as a result mental health issues. Burmi came and played. If you're going to include Kraskovsky then you have to include all the NCAA players who weren't signed at all because they weren't good enough (where Croix Evingson?), also Jets still have rights to Kraskovsky. Berdin came over and wasn't good enough. Also it's not the substance abuse policy, it's the player assistance program that everybody assumes is only used because of substances despite the many times it wasn't, including this very time with Berdin where they reported it had nothing to do with drugs or alcohol.
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Semantics bro, semantics. You talked about losing college guys. The only guy the Jets lost was Smith. Other than ones who weren't good enough. Kraskovsky was probably on the radar, being pretty good when he played against junior teams in North America. Not interested in Winnipeg though. Telegin never played a game for the Jets plain and simple. He did win Olympic gold medals. For Mother Russia. Burmistrov also bolted, after 3 years. Berdin went home, and cited family as the reason.

Twice now you and others have purposely ignored the statement about Fedotov who is in the same Red Army organization as Chibrikov, that banished Fedotov to Siberia for trying to leave. That's a pretty unique issue. Can anyone cite any players who left Russia last year, since the war started, other than the 3 guys from St. Petersburg I noted?

Of the 41 Russian NHLers, one turned out to be Kaprizov, so that's nice, but the majority don't end up in that mold.

Now given this record vs. the USHL/NCAA guys I cited, where would you draft as an organization? Jets have 3 main sources of players, USHL, OHL, and Sweden that have been successful, not only at bringing in quality players, but players the Jets could mature in their organization.

That's my argument.

The only good thing about drafting Russians is that they can stay in the organization for a length of time exceeding college players, so there may be a day when we see Chibrikov in a Jets jersey. I'm not expecting that to be next year the way things are going, and it's extremely high risk for these guys to leave in the middle of war against NATO, for the sake of their families. If you remember the days of Mogilny defecting, and the danger that put his family in.
 
voyageur said:
Semantics bro, semantics. You talked about losing college guys. The only guy the Jets lost was Smith. Other than ones who weren't good enough. Kraskovsky was probably on the radar, being pretty good when he played against junior teams in North America. Not interested in Winnipeg though. Telegin never played a game for the Jets plain and simple. He did win Olympic gold medals. For Mother Russia. Burmistrov also bolted, after 3 years. Berdin went home, and cited family as the reason.

Twice now you and others have purposely ignored the statement about Fedotov who is in the same Red Army organization as Chibrikov, that banished Fedotov to Siberia for trying to leave. That's a pretty unique issue. Can anyone cite any players who left Russia last year, since the war started, other than the 3 guys from St. Petersburg I noted?

Of the 41 Russian NHLers, one turned out to be Kaprizov, so that's nice, but the majority don't end up in that mold.

Now given this record vs. the USHL/NCAA guys I cited, where would you draft as an organization? Jets have 3 main sources of players, USHL, OHL, and Sweden that have been successful, not only at bringing in quality players, but players the Jets could mature in their organization.

That's my argument.

The only good thing about drafting Russians is that they can stay in the organization for a length of time exceeding college players, so there may be a day when we see Chibrikov in a Jets jersey. I'm not expecting that to be next year the way things are going, and it's extremely high risk for these guys to leave in the middle of war against NATO, for the sake of their families. If you remember the days of Mogilny defecting, and the danger that put his family in.
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Context bro, context. Again my issue isn't with saying there may be difficulties, my issue is saying with confidence that they'll never play a game for the Jets. You don't know that, I don't know that, the guy who said it doesn't know that. You don't know that the Jets have even offered a contract to Kraskovsky, if you want to use him as an example fine, I've got Harstad, Serville, Kasdorf, Ustaski, Glover, Evingson, etc etc. Jets have drafted 4 players out of Russia and your only example of one not coming over is a 6th round pick that may have never been offered a contract.

And I'm well aware of the goalie you're talking about. FA signed by Philadelphia that lied about this military time served. Might be a government lie, might not be, but if it is the thing that Russia has going for them there is that he wasn't enough of a name for it to be worth it to anyone to raise much of a fuss over. I didn't purposely ignore it by the way, there were so many factual inaccuracies that I stopped reading your post. Also Chibrikov doesn't play in the same organization as Fedotov and never has.
 
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Kyosama said:
Context bro, context. Again my issue isn't with saying there may be difficulties, my issue is saying with confidence that they'll never play a game for the Jets. You don't know that, I don't know that, the guy who said it doesn't know that. You don't know that the Jets have even offered a contract to Kraskovsky, if you want to use him as an example fine, I've got Harstad, Serville, Kasdorf, Ustaski, Glover, Evingson, etc etc. Jets have drafted 4 players out of Russia and your only example of one not coming over is a 6th round pick that may have never been offered a contract.

And I'm well aware of the goalie you're talking about. FA signed by Philadelphia that lied about this military time served. Might be a government lie, might not be, but if it is the thing that Russia has going for them there is that he wasn't enough of a name for it to be worth it to anyone to raise much of a fuss over. I didn't purposely ignore it by the way, there were so many factual inaccuracies that I stopped reading your post. Also Chibrikov doesn't play in the same organization as Fedotov and never has.
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Except you are ignoring the 11 players that made the Jets out of the USHL/NCAA and how soon the Jets were able to bring some of them into the organization. Kraskovsky was definitely on the Jets radar from what I remember but he re-signed in Russia.

But I do accept your correction CSKA is the Red Army team, Spartak is not. My bad.
 
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voyageur said:
Except you are ignoring the 11 players that made the Jets out of the USHL/NCAA and how soon the Jets were able to bring some of them into the organization. Kraskovsky was definitely on the Jets radar from what I remember but he re-signed in Russia.

But I do accept your correction CSKA is the Red Army team, Spartak is not. My bad.
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I have yet to see either chibrikov/rashevsky extend their contracts over in russia, so why don't we at least wait until the off season before we say they are not coming over...
 
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gojetsgo said:
I have yet to see either chibrikov/rashevsky extend their contracts over in russia, so why don't we at least wait until the off season before we say they are not coming over...
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Its hard to know about what is happening with the Russians, but you'd have to think if you were a male in your early 20's it sure would be nice to be playing in the NHL in NA.
 
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Kyosama said:
5th round 2016.

EDIT: By Los Angeles, for the record. We signed him as a free agent.
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His agent actually went to the LA Kings and requested that they not tender a qualifying offer, because they felt they could get a better deal on the open market. Now he's a bottom six NHL player for us. I think that turned out well. He has the relentless tenacity of Brandon Tanev, but with more puck sense.
 
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CorgisPer60 said:
His agent actually went to the LA Kings and requested that they not tender a qualifying offer, because they felt they could get a better deal on the open market. Now he's a bottom six NHL player for us. I think that turned out well. He has the relentless tenacity of Brandon Tanev, but with more puck sense.
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Wow he was drafted 7 years ago and is only getting a chance in nhl now, interesting.
 
Adam da bomb said:
Speaks of such resili. I imagine most players by that point except they are not NHLers at that point.
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Yeah..As others have pointed out, he's like Tanev where he's just always giving it his all out on the ice each shift and we all can bare witness that it's a special trait since some of our Jets like to take nights off. :sarcasm: But I guess something just finally clicked for him while toiling in the AHL to finally make that jump.
 
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