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If Barlow, McG, Lambert and Salomonsson hit, that's you future core 4. Will all of them be able to make the jump and be successful ?
Depends on what you'd consider a hit. They've all got a good chance at making it in some capacity but they also all have their own question marks. Barlow especially needs to round out his game. If the only thing that he brings that's NHL level is his shot he's essentially a Brandon Pirri or Martin Frk. Salomonsson still isn't producing, Lambert is the type of player that coaches will have difficulty trusting.
 

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Will be interesting how the progression goes. It’s easier to start a new core on a bad team or a team committed to development like Dallas.
Maybe they will be pro-ready but we have a backlog of veterans and eventually we lose them all on waivers
 
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The top end of our prospect pool are of a much higher quality than the deep depth players you lose on waivers following their ELCs. Think Samberg and Perfetti, rather than Harkins and Chisholm.
/s . However I think chism is a lot closer to samberg than kovacevic. I think he will be a regular for the mild
 
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FWIW, Button ranks 3 Jets prospects in his top 50 drafted prospects.

11. McGroarty
27. Barlow
45. Salomonsson

Many would rank Lambert higher, but I think that's a solid top-3, all things considered.

Might be the only draft pundit that seems to recognize Salomonsson's progress and potential.
 

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Nice to have 3 in the top 50. Based on his play this year in the AHL it would seem that Lambert should be in the mix, but everyone can't make the list.
Personally, I don't think it's unreasonable to have Salomonsson in the top-3. I could understand an argument for Lambert over Barlow. Watching Salomonsson in the SHL and Champions League this season, he's looking more and more like he could make an impact at the NHL level in the not-too-distant future. He plays a very solid and aggressive defensive game, using his outstanding skating and physical style to close gaps defensively (all over the ice). In transition D, he reminds me somewhat of Samberg.

His puck-handling has become much more confident and solid this season. He makes quick, crisp plays with the puck and jumps up into the offense with confidence. In the SHL and Champions League, teams tend to really crowd the points (moreso than in the NHL), which limits 5v5 offense from the D, but you can see Salomonsson making forays down the boards and into the slot more and more this season.
 

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Depends on what you'd consider a hit. They've all got a good chance at making it in some capacity but they also all have their own question marks. Barlow especially needs to round out his game. If the only thing that he brings that's NHL level is his shot he's essentially a Brandon Pirri or Martin Frk. Salomonsson still isn't producing, Lambert is the type of player that coaches will have difficulty trusting.

Yes. None of them was able to succeed in the NHL right out of the draft, so they aren't 'generational' or likely superstars.

Salomonsson might never score much. So he becomes an excellent 2nd pair Dman instead of 1st pair.

The forwards might make up a really good 2nd line in a couple of years instead of becoming 1st line players. Barlow - Lambert - McGroarty could be pretty good as a 2nd line.

Maybe not quite what you would like for your 'core' but still very good to have.
 

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How has button done historically with his top 50?
Here are some interesting facts about Button (all within one calendar year)

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FWIW, Button ranks 3 Jets prospects in his top 50 drafted prospects.

11. McGroarty
27. Barlow
45. Salomonsson

Many would rank Lambert higher, but I think that's a solid top-3, all things considered.

Might be the only draft pundit that seems to recognize Salomonsson's progress and potential.

There was a poster on the main board a while back claiming the Jets didn't have any "A prospects"... can't remember if it was a Habs fan or a Flyers fan (or other). He was specifically denigrating towards Rutger IIRC

Here are some interesting facts about Button:

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I'd have to see a complete list of his moves. Nobody bats 1.000%
 

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Yes. None of them was able to succeed in the NHL right out of the draft, so they aren't 'generational' or likely superstars.

Salomonsson might never score much. So he becomes an excellent 2nd pair Dman instead of 1st pair.

The forwards might make up a really good 2nd line in a couple of years instead of becoming 1st line players. Barlow - Lambert - McGroarty could be pretty good as a 2nd line.

Maybe not quite what you would like for your 'core' but still very good to have.
Salomonsson is interesting. He always seems to be getting and creating chances but hasn't put up much in the way of offense. A few things to note is that he doesn't play on the powerplay, and more importantly the SHL is very selective in handing out secondary assists. If it didn't directly affect the goal they usually don't give an assist for it, so Salomonsson's great outlet passes that result in goals don't get him secondary assists. I also don't get the Samberg comparisons. Much higher offensive upside, much lower defensive upside. His defence is passable, nothing close to the defense first game Samberg was playing at the same age.
 
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Personally, I don't think it's unreasonable to have Salomonsson in the top-3. I could understand an argument for Lambert over Barlow. Watching Salomonsson in the SHL and Champions League this season, he's looking more and more like he could make an impact at the NHL level in the not-too-distant future. He plays a very solid and aggressive defensive game, using his outstanding skating and physical style to close gaps defensively (all over the ice). In transition D, he reminds me somewhat of Samberg.

His puck-handling has become much more confident and solid this season. He makes quick, crisp plays with the puck and jumps up into the offense with confidence. In the SHL and Champions League, teams tend to really crowd the points (moreso than in the NHL), which limits 5v5 offense from the D, but you can see Salomonsson making forays down the boards and into the slot more and more this season.
Me too, big fan of Salomonsson's game and progression.

Not sure if it came across, but I wasn't saying Lambert over Salomonsson, just that Lambert is also playing well and is a guy who probably could have made the list. But there's only 50 spots and there's always guys that fall into that "probably could have been added" category.
 

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Scott Wheeler had the Jets as having the 16th best prospect pool. Not terrible but not great.

In contrast, Minnesota - who has had a similar or better record than the Jets and thus tended to draft lower in recent years - were ranked #1 prospect pool in the league last year and dropped to #11 this year with the graduation of Rossi and defenseman Faber. Rossi is a top-6 forward with top-3 upside similar to Perfetti. Faber is likely to be a top-pairing d-man with potential to be a legit number 1.

That trade for Fiala is looking pretty good on Minnesota's end of things. They ended up with Faber and drafted Ohgren with that first they received from LA. Ohgren is ranked 28th among all prospects in the Hockey Writers article. Minnesota looks like they will be a dangerous team in 1.5 years when they are mostly out from under the onerous buyout penalties for Parise and Suter.
 

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Salomonsson is interesting. He always seems to be getting and creating chances but hasn't put up much in the way of offense. A few things to note is that he doesn't play on the powerplay, and more importantly the SHL is very selective in handing out secondary assists. If it didn't directly affect the goal they usually don't give an assist for it, so Salomonsson's great outlet passes that result in goals don't get him secondary assists. I also don't get the Samberg comparisons. Much higher offensive upside, much lower defensive upside. His defence is passable, nothing close to the defense first game Samberg was playing at the same age.

Interesting. I have read other mentions of Salo looking good offensively and just failing to click. I assume that is some fine point of timing or something similar that will work itself out if he keeps getting/creating chances.

But what I have read about his D game, especially more recently, has been very positive. Kind of like Samberg with better skating. So my expectations for his D game are quite high. But I've seen very little of him.
 

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Salomonsson is interesting. He always seems to be getting and creating chances but hasn't put up much in the way of offense. A few things to note is that he doesn't play on the powerplay, and more importantly the SHL is very selective in handing out secondary assists. If it didn't directly affect the goal they usually don't give an assist for it, so Salomonsson's great outlet passes that result in goals don't get him secondary assists. I also don't get the Samberg comparisons. Much higher offensive upside, much lower defensive upside. His defence is passable, nothing close to the defense first game Samberg was playing at the same age.
A couple of points... The SHL makes it very difficult for D to generate much except on the PP. Axel Sandin-Pellika (Salomonsson's teammate who is rated as having top-end offensive skill) has the same number of even-strength goals as Salomonsson in the SHL at 2 (and fewer if you include Champions League).

I agree that Salomonsson has higher offensive upside and perhaps lower defensive upside than Samberg, but I was making a stylistic comparison defensively. Salomonsson plays with very aggressive gaps all over the ice, relying on outstanding skating and mobility to recover if he needs to. In the D zone, he plays a fairly physical game, but not nearly as good at getting stops the way Samberg does with his size and reach and good stick.

Salomonsson is still so young that I think we could see his offense continue to improve substantially, and if it does, he could be a really good two-way defenseman, with impact in all zones and in transition. His skating is really terrific. He looks effortless, he just blows by a lot of opponents through the neutral zone.
 

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A couple of points... The SHL makes it very difficult for D to generate much except on the PP. Axel Sandin-Pellika (Salomonsson's teammate who is rated as having top-end offensive skill) has the same number of even-strength goals as Salomonsson in the SHL at 2 (and fewer if you include Champions League).

I agree that Salomonsson has higher offensive upside and perhaps lower defensive upside than Samberg, but I was making a stylistic comparison defensively. Salomonsson plays with very aggressive gaps all over the ice, relying on outstanding skating and mobility to recover if he needs to. In the D zone, he plays a fairly physical game, but not nearly as good at getting stops the way Samberg does with his size and reach and good stick.

Salomonsson is still so young that I think we could see his offense continue to improve substantially, and if it does, he could be a really good two-way defenseman, with impact in all zones and in transition. His skating is really terrific. He looks effortless, he just blows by a lot of opponents through the neutral zone.
I wonder if he could develop into a modern day version of Ulf Samuelson? I would be very pleased if that’s the type of defenseman he turns out to be.
 
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A couple of points... The SHL makes it very difficult for D to generate much except on the PP. Axel Sandin-Pellika (Salomonsson's teammate who is rated as having top-end offensive skill) has the same number of even-strength goals as Salomonsson in the SHL at 2 (and fewer if you include Champions League).

I agree that Salomonsson has higher offensive upside and perhaps lower defensive upside than Samberg, but I was making a stylistic comparison defensively. Salomonsson plays with very aggressive gaps all over the ice, relying on outstanding skating and mobility to recover if he needs to. In the D zone, he plays a fairly physical game, but not nearly as good at getting stops the way Samberg does with his size and reach and good stick.

Salomonsson is still so young that I think we could see his offense continue to improve substantially, and if it does, he could be a really good two-way defenseman, with impact in all zones and in transition. His skating is really terrific. He looks effortless, he just blows by a lot of opponents through the neutral zone.
Yeah he's wonderful to watch skate, great outlet pass. I mentioned the powerplay thing already, though he was on the powerplay a fair bit last year and didn't produce much with it. Another point to add is how low scoring of a league the SHL is this year. Of players who have played a significant amount of games there's only 1 at or above a point per game, Kuokkanen with 38 points in 37 games. Honestly it would have been really nice to see him on the Moose this season but I understand him going back and don't blame him at all.
 

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Yeah he's wonderful to watch skate, great outlet pass. I mentioned the powerplay thing already, though he was on the powerplay a fair bit last year and didn't produce much with it. Another point to add is how low scoring of a league the SHL is this year. Of players who have played a significant amount of games there's only 1 at or above a point per game, Kuokkanen with 38 points in 37 games. Honestly it would have been really nice to see him on the Moose this season but I understand him going back and don't blame him at all.

What's the story on Kuokkanen?
 
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