Post-Game Talk: Jets Oilers Post game

[GumbyCan2]

Gonna be honest... Both the pp and PK look brutal.PK is so passive and the pp? The movement is just so slow.. everyone standing still.. doing nothing. Is it the players or scheme?

Yes they were both pretty stagnate and dtanding around too much. Tired or burned out looking.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Beaulieu was damn good on the PK, the whole time, in those last 2 minutes, so I don't what the issue with him is. It's Copp's man in coverage, or Lowry in a rotation, that scored. But no one would blame them for the loss.
In fact I would say that Beaulieu looked quite a bit better than De Melo, who looks like he hasn't slept well since adding to his family. He's probably the biggest culprit in this loss, but pointing fingers isn't what a team sport is about. Just failed to execute. Get a chance to redeem themselves next game.

I think that eventually Poolman draws back in for Stanley, because with De Melo in the box, you had 2 options, Beaulieu, and Pionk on the right side, and Pionk isn't an ideal PKer.
I'd say that Poolman brings more pace, and a better breakout pass than Stanley. Which will incense the fanbase demanding for rookie contributions, as we may not have any for a stretch.

I like Heinola's game, but I am not sure what the plan is with him. Does he have enough to warrant sacrificing a year of ELC? And if you consider special teams values as they have been a factor in every game that we have lost points in (including tonight though not on the stats sheet), where can Heinola contribute? PP2? I'd be interested in seeing another game of Morrissey-Heinola, and move down De Melo with Beaulieu, as De Melo has not looked like our 3rd best defenseman early in the season. But then we are going to need contributions from Morrissey or Pionk or both on the PK conceivably, so that's something to manage in risk/reward.

I liked Harkins-Gustafsson-Lewis as a 4th line. Hopefully they stay together.

Tough loss, but as Ray would say, that's how she goes boys.

Yah, for how out of it and slow Scheifele was tonight, should have seen alot more of Gus. He is going to be a valuable player before too long, if gets fair opportunity and icetime. And Harkins needs a few more reps and looks against NHL competition to gain confidence and hopeful breakout from him. Copp-Ehlers-Stastny line was awesome!! Lowry had some jam tonight too. The Sp-Oilers just over powered our tired D and many forwards 2nd period and last 5 minutes of game. Tuff loss for sure!! Good goal disallowed and then a buzzer beater, 0.2 seconds left winning goal against. Sucks.

 

[JetsFan815]

Coach availability:



Topics:

1. How did the Stastny line handle challenge of shutting down Draisaitl?
2. What did he think of the overturned goal and did it change momentum?
3. His assessment of the Jets so far at 4-2-0 after playing five games in seven days?
4. What kind of impact can this kind of loss have on a team?
5. What did he see on the game winner?
6. On putting David Gustafsson into the lineup.
7. Whose coverage was it on the game tying goal?

LMAO Murat tried to get Maurice to throw someone under the bus for the game tying goal and Maurice nope'd the hell out of that question so fast. People may not like it but answers like that are why Maurice is liked by players. Torterella would be putting one of DeMelo or Scheifele on full blast for that goal right now.

 

[voyageur]

Quick thoughts...

81-55-26 Horrible game from the top line. Weak in their own zone, lackadaisical on breakouts, and no energy in the offensive zone. Looked like they had no legs,which isn't a huge surprise considering how hard Maurice has been playing them.

9-25-27 Another good game. I really liked Ehlers again. He's added some deception to his game. Stastny played a smart game, but looked half a step slow. Copp with a strong game... too bad he was a bit out of position on the winning goal.

85-17-22 Another strong game from this line. Nice to see Perreault playing well. He looks fit and healthy. Lowry is having a strong season. Appleton was okay.

12-19-23 Not a great game for Lewis. Some poor decisions. Gus was fine. Smart play, but still needs a bit more speed. Harkins was really good.

44-2 Finally a strong game from Morrissey, and a much better game from DeMelo than last night overall. Calm and smart.

24-4 Okay overall, though Pionk gave up a bit too much on the rush. Forbort was solid defensively.

64-88 Here's the thing about this pair - they can have a generally solid game, and then have one or two horrible shifts that cost a goal or penalty. They don't add enough to give up those bad plays and shifts. Stanley still shows that he's progressed, but he'll need to play with a better partner than Beaulieu. Together they are trouble brewing.

Brossoit was pretty shaky, with pretty bad rebound control.

Overall, a really disappointing loss, but hard to expect much more in the 5th game in 7 nights.

I'd like to point out that Beaulieu led the team in SH ice time again, 4:14. He didn't allow a SH goal for a 2nd consecutive game, and is +2 on the season, and should have been +3, because that was Connor Mc David he forced behind the net at the end. Do you think Morrissey can handle those minutes, he looks physically weak out there at times, in my opinion, obviously more skilled though. His metrics are actually worse this year. Or do you think Stanley could take those minutes? I'd say the problem is not at the bottom of the defensive lineup but at the top early in the season.

 

[GumbyCan2]

That was the Forbort I remember from the Kings

Not too worried about the result. They showed some heart after a bad 2nd. We play again on Tuesday so let's make sure we win that one!

Better chance if Scheifele shows up ready to play and remembers how to fight for pucks, take a check and move his feet!! Along with a few other Dmen.

 

[WolfHouse]

I'd like to point out that Beaulieu led the team in SH ice time again, 4:14. He didn't allow a SH goal for a 2nd consecutive game, and is +2 on the season, and should have been +3, because that was Connor Mc David he forced behind the net at the end. Do you think Morrissey can handle those minutes, he looks physically weak out there at times, in my opinion, obviously more skilled though. His metrics are actually worse this year. Or do you think Stanley could take those minutes? I'd say the problem is not at the bottom of the defensive lineup but at the top early in the season.

Cmon you know you’re playing with numbers here - the goal was scored a second after the pp ended

Morrissey had a great game tonight - he absolutely could and should have been out there

Beaulieu can kill penalties yes but he’s being made into our main guy because as always Mo falls in love with certain players and overplays them

 

[surixon]

I'd like to point out that Beaulieu led the team in SH ice time again, 4:14. He didn't allow a SH goal for a 2nd consecutive game, and is +2 on the season, and should have been +3, because that was Connor Mc David he forced behind the net at the end. Do you think Morrissey can handle those minutes, he looks physically weak out there at times, in my opinion, obviously more skilled though. His metrics are actually worse this year. Or do you think Stanley could take those minutes? I'd say the problem is not at the bottom of the defensive lineup but at the top early in the season.

Not large enough of a sample to draw much into short handed metrics so far this year. Beau has been solid though. I am fine with Morrissey on PK number 2 right now. He is seems to be much more equipped to handle number 1 d minutes so far this year. I imagine we see Poolman take them on when he gets back.

 

[Jet]

Demelo gets the doofus of the day award.

sheif line horrible defensively

mcdavid made forbert look like a pylon all game

ehlers was the bright spot

McDavid makes lots of defenseman look like pylons.

Credit where credit is due, Morrissey has a nice bounce back game, and I've been really hard on Perreault but the last two games have been his best in a long while.

Sucks to lose like that but I thought we played very well for stretches of that game. Koskinen kept them in it in the first.

 

[Jet]

Dylan DeMelo just totally shit the bed in the last 3 minutes. Looked like he was trying to give the game away.

It's his second game of the year, and a back to back to boot.

 

[Jet]

Quick thoughts...

81-55-26 Horrible game from the top line. Weak in their own zone, lackadaisical on breakouts, and no energy in the offensive zone. Looked like they had no legs,which isn't a huge surprise considering how hard Maurice has been playing them.

9-25-27 Another good game. I really liked Ehlers again. He's added some deception to his game. Stastny played a smart game, but looked half a step slow. Copp with a strong game... too bad he was a bit out of position on the winning goal.

85-17-22 Another strong game from this line. Nice to see Perreault playing well. He looks fit and healthy. Lowry is having a strong season. Appleton was okay.

12-19-23 Not a great game for Lewis. Some poor decisions. Gus was fine. Smart play, but still needs a bit more speed. Harkins was really good.

44-2 Finally a strong game from Morrissey, and a much better game from DeMelo than last night overall. Calm and smart.

24-4 Okay overall, though Pionk gave up a bit too much on the rush. Forbort was solid defensively.

64-88 Here's the thing about this pair - they can have a generally solid game, and then have one or two horrible shifts that cost a goal or penalty. They don't add enough to give up those bad plays and shifts. Stanley still shows that he's progressed, but he'll need to play with a better partner than Beaulieu. Together they are trouble brewing.

Brossoit was pretty shaky, with pretty bad rebound control.

Overall, a really disappointing loss, but hard to expect much more in the 5th game in 7 nights.

Good assessment. I feel like she people did not like the Forbert acquisition and are hell bent on trying to be right about it even though he's played very well for us.

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

that last minute of play I just knew the oil would have a great chance for a play, Pomo don't know how to use a timeout.


Hey PLD it ain't to late to ask for a trade.

Hey at least you don't have to play for 2 weeks.

Jets closing out a game.

 

[jetsv2]

It's his second game of the year, and a back to back to boot.

If he wasn't in good enough shape to play a back to back and not totally fall apart, he shouldn't have been on the ice at the end of the game.

 

[raideralex99]

Wow that was a tough loss but you guys need to relax with the negativity.
Seriously question in a best of seven do you really think the Oilers can beat the Jets?
I'm not making any excuses but s**t happens ... you think MVP Draisaiti and the best player in the NHL McDavid would be able too log 21:43 and 23:23 minutes playing their 5th game in 7 nights and their second game within 24 hours?
The Oilers barely beat the Jets without the Jets' 1B center and #1 goalie also the Oilers needed help from the league with the scheduling and officiating.
55-1 would nice to get but I'll settle for coming out of the Scotia North Division in the playoffs.

For the record Stastny had the most ice time tonight with 21:00 mins not Scheifele 20:01 or Wheeler 18:12.

 

[Jets 31]

Shity end but you aren't going to win them all . Scheifele, Connor and Wheeler didn't have a good game but they also have been all our offense many games this season too so i expect a very good game out of them next game. Dubois will definitely make this team stronger and i can't wait until he's in our lineup. Copp's goal should have counted .

 

[behemolari]

Im very eager to see how Dubois will affect this team

 

[snowkiddin]

Thoughts:

- DeMelo’s penalty was bad, obviously cost us at least one point, maybe two.

- Refs were abysmal tonight. Worst we’ve had all year. Edmonton was playing like the late 2000s Canucks, just embarrassing dives and embellishment. Puljujarvi and McDavid were diving all over the ice tonight; the zebras missed some Oiler trips too.

- Oilers still very much a one line team, they’ll get stomped out in the playoffs.

- Jets took the second period off again, so much hockey lately has caught up to them.

- Brossoit was good, this isn’t his fault

- Play the fourth line more, how much ice time did Gus have? Like a minute?

- Ehlers is incredible

-Stastny is looking like did when we had in 2018. He’s a faceoff wizard, we need to keep him at C when Dubois arrives

-Harkins looks real solid. I’d try him in the top 6.

-Schedule makers f***ed us over here. A four day gap at the beginning only to force us into 5 in 7 nights? What the f***

- Apparently PLD wins puck battles a lot. Good. That’s needed on this team.

- Can’t win ‘em all, crappy way to lose, Edmonton got all the bounces tonight though. Gotta pound them to dust on Tuesday.

 

[Halberdier]

Just finished watching the game. I think Copp got robbed on that rejected goal. I can see why referees did call that back, but I think Koskinen missed the puck before the contact anyway.

That Stastny pass. Lovely. And pretty rare to see on Jets offensive zone. Nice finish by Ehlers as well.

McDavid was also difference maker with his passes. If Pulju would be a decent goal scorer, the game had been over much earlier. Later some bum tyed the game from and excellent pass by McDavid.

It sucks to lose the game in 59:59:70 or whatever it was. OTOH, Jets won the first Sens match by pure luck, so it's like 2 free points against 1-2 robbed so the luck has been working both ways already this young season.

Btw. @snowkiddin I don't think Pulju was diving all the time. He just doesn't have good balance and for example that hook by BooBoo on Pulju should have been called for sure. Pulju is like a headless chicken on the ice, but somehow he was able to finally contribute with that.

 

[Halberdier]

Maurice does not hold Scheif, Wheeler and Connor accountable - very has been happening for years

Last time Maurice held Scheifele accountable for his play was I guess 16-17. But for Wheeler, I am not sure if that ever happened. Also for Connor that has not happened, not that Connor should have been disciplined. Mo doesn't run the team. Don't know if PLD is able to change the dymanics somewhat.

Ehlers needs more TOI. He is not as good finisher as Connor, but otherwise he just happens to be the best TOP-6 forward for the Jets.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Free Ville !!!

 

[jetswin]

Better chance if Scheifele shows up ready to play and remembers how to fight for pucks, take a check and move his feet!! Along with a few other Dmen.

We lost a number of games last year bc Scheif was soft and out of place...Benn schooled him twice....no accountability for him. This has to change or our new centre will be Laine 2.0. Mo and co need a shake-up.

 

[cbcwpg]

Would have been nice to at least get the loser point.

 

[jetswin]

LMAO Murat tried to get Maurice to throw someone under the bus for the game tying goal and Maurice nope'd the hell out of that question so fast. People may not like it but answers like that are why Maurice is liked by players. Torterella would be putting one of DeMelo or Scheifele on full blast for that goal right now.

That is his job as a coach, but effective coaches hold top players accountable away from the media....this is the root of the culture issue with the Jets.

 

[Neuf]

Great game by the Ehlers line
Terrible effort by the schiefele line, but they've played half the game every game so this is what you get.

Heinola wouldn't have made this game any worse.

 

[Whileee]

I'd like to point out that Beaulieu led the team in SH ice time again, 4:14. He didn't allow a SH goal for a 2nd consecutive game, and is +2 on the season, and should have been +3, because that was Connor Mc David he forced behind the net at the end. Do you think Morrissey can handle those minutes, he looks physically weak out there at times, in my opinion, obviously more skilled though. His metrics are actually worse this year. Or do you think Stanley could take those minutes? I'd say the problem is not at the bottom of the defensive lineup but at the top early in the season.

I think DeMelo and Poolman and Samberg would be better PK options than Beaulieu.

Not every gaffe or bad shift ends up in a goal against, but I just don't trust Beaulieu.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

Memo to self: Don't watch a recorded game if there is a chance I'll want to throw my remote through the TV at the end of the game. (Check score first...) So damned frustrating to lose like that