Post-Game Talk: Jets Oilers Post game

[Jetfaninflorida]

LMAO Murat tried to get Maurice to throw someone under the bus for the game tying goal and Maurice nope'd the hell out of that question so fast. People may not like it but answers like that are why Maurice is liked by players. Torterella would be putting one of DeMelo or Scheifele on full blast for that goal right now.

Liked is not as important as respected in coaching.

Sometimes guys need to hear it like it is.

 

[kanadalainen]

That was one of the most disappointing ice hockey matches that I have ever seen.

Talk about a range of emotions in the last 5 minutes.

Going to go with 5 Dostoevsky guys.

 

[tbcwpg]

Liked is not as important as respected in coaching.

Sometimes guys need to hear it like it is.

Most people, professional athletes or not, do not respect someone who publicly criticizes them or blames them for losses.

They can hear it how it is in private.

 

[PhilJets]

I think we are being a bit hard on Scheifele, the guy is in the top 5 scoring in the entire NHL right now and he faces all the other team's best every game. Dubois should definitely make Scheifele's job a little easier once he gets in the lineup. We are 4-2 with 4 guys in the top 20 scoring and Stastny is getting going now too . We got a good team.

Sens effect (3 games).
But Yes Jets should be a good team.

I dont think most of the complain is on Schiefele directly its how the coach uses them. And if they, him and Wheeler is having an off game. It happens, Maurice still plugs them in...

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

We lost a number of games last year bc Scheif was soft and out of place...Benn schooled him twice....no accountability for him. This has to change or our new centre will be Laine 2.0. Mo and co need a shake-up.

It looks like PLD is as talented as Nickles offensively, and maybe superior in the defensive zone. The challenge for Maurice is when PLD delivers the goods, does he get recognized as our #1 C or does he get Laine'd/Ehler'ed. Maurice has made his Jets living off of the Scheif/Wheels/Mo Cabal. Probably the hill he dies on.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Most people, professional athletes or not, do not respect someone who publicly criticizes them or blames them for losses.

They can hear it how it is in private.

Coaches sometimes call out guys subtly, in public. They can criticize how a play unfolded and how an assignment was missed or a coverage breakdown occurred or a puck battle was lost without naming a player. Happens all the time. Not calling a guy out, but yeah calling out what went wrong and it becomes pretty obvious who contributed.

 

[AKAChip]

It is far from a ridiculous take that PLD might be better than Scheifele. They are both 1Cs in the league and in the same general tier. Scheifele gets a lot of credit for reputation these days whereas PLD is still building his. I don’t suspect PLD will ever unseat Scheifele under Maurice but the question of whether he should isn’t crazy.

 

[LowLefty]

Wow that was a tough loss but you guys need to relax with the negativity.
Seriously question in a best of seven do you really think the Oilers can beat the Jets?
I'm not making any excuses but s**t happens ... you think MVP Draisaiti and the best player in the NHL McDavid would be able too log 21:43 and 23:23 minutes playing their 5th game in 7 nights and their second game within 24 hours?
The Oilers barely beat the Jets without the Jets' 1B center and #1 goalie also the Oilers needed help from the league with the scheduling and officiating.
55-1 would nice to get but I'll settle for coming out of the Scotia North Division in the playoffs.

For the record Stastny had the most ice time tonight with 21:00 mins not Scheifele 20:01 or Wheeler 18:12.

Good post - nice to see a little reality check into the conversation once in a while.
5 games in 7 nights will exhaust a team - especially the top line who are already playing too many minutes.
The one benefit you can take away from playing all those minutes, is the Ehlers / Copp line had reserves that allowed them to play at a nice tempo - I wonder how they would have looked if the minutes were better spaced. I'm not advocating for less 2nd line minutes - I'm only commenting on the result. This all changes when PLD is added.

I also feel sorry for any line that has to go toe to toe with a fresh McD after playing this many games - this guy is already a handful and now you have to stop him on half a tank.

Over all, I consider this a good showing all things considered - no complaints

 

[LowLefty]

It is far from a ridiculous take that PLD might be better than Scheifele. They are both 1Cs in the league and in the same general tier. Scheifele gets a lot of credit for reputation these days whereas PLD is still building his. I don’t suspect PLD will ever unseat Scheifele under Maurice but the question of whether he should isn’t crazy.

I agree - I would not be the least bit surprised to see the PLD line outperform Scheifs line - and I don't care what order they play in.

 

[Channelcat]

It is far from a ridiculous take that PLD might be better than Scheifele. They are both 1Cs in the league and in the same general tier. Scheifele gets a lot of credit for reputation these days whereas PLD is still building his. I don’t suspect PLD will ever unseat Scheifele under Maurice but the question of whether he should isn’t crazy.

? DuBois is far ahead of where Schiefele was at this stage. It isn't even close.

 

[GNP]

Taking bets???

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Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but if this PLD is all what I've read, it wouldn't surprise me to see him overtake Scheifele. According to posters in Toronto, he scored a hatrick and knocked the Leafs out of the playoffs, and they said he played like a beast. Hope he does that for us.

As for bets ?? -- I just don't have the "deep pockets" like you do, to bet with a wealthy man like yourself, to make it worth your while.

I will say this -- I have lost a lot of faith in Maurice, and I think it's time for a coaching change. I don't like the way he's deploying our talent -- especially Ehlers. There's "no reason" he should not be on PP # 1.

 

[AKAChip]

? DuBois is far ahead of where Schiefele was at this stage. It isn't even close.

I agree but my statement was about their effectiveness at this moment in time.

 

[LowLefty]

Sens effect (3 games).
But Yes Jets should be a good team.

I dont think most of the complain is on Schiefele directly its how the coach uses them. And if they, him and Wheeler is having an off game. It happens, Maurice still plugs them in...

The top line was over played - and they scored a pile of points over the last week as a result - unfortunately, it caught up with them tonight but gave a more rested second line a chance to make up the slack - and they did. Very close game and when you consider the situation (5 in 7 against a rested team and without PLD), the result was not at all discouraging.
The Jets are a very good team with the addition of PLD and this past week without Laine is an outlier going forward - I can see a 1A/B concept that will be killer and this team will contend in the North.

 

[PhilJets]

The top line was over played - and they scored a pile of points over the last week as a result - unfortunately, it caught up with them tonight but gave a more rested second line a chance to make up the slack - and they did. Very close game and when you consider the situation (5 in 7 against a rested team and without PLD), the result was not at all discouraging.
The Jets are a very good team with the addition of PLD and this past week without Laine is an outlier going forward - I can see a 1A/B concept that will be killer and this team will contend in the North.

Yes i know Jets are a very good team.
I predicted top 3 even before PLD.
And with PLD i stated Jets have the best center group in the league.
Now its up to Maurice to use it properly.
Remember Jets was once featured as top to bottom complete team. And then there was disparity on ice times.

And still we have to consider the Sens effect for the scores. Thats a bad team.

Jets have a good-great team. With an average coach.

 

[Huffer]

That's a painful loss, and giveaway of at least a point and possibly 2. Back to back, and after a bunch of games this week yes, but you have to find a way to close those last few minutes out.

Not going to repeat the other good summaries but a couple of thoughts:

- Ville needs to stay in the lineup. It's not that you can even make the case to have to deal with a "rookie" or "growing pains". He's flat out better than more than half of the D out there and makes the team better.
- Gus IMO also needs to stay in. Obviously only one game, but I thought Thompson was slow as molasses and I don't think Thompson is any better than Gus. Play Gus now and if he's not better now (even though I think he is), he's better than Thompson very soon.
- Harkins is continuing to improve.
- Ehlers is criminally underrated across the league.
- Maybe the plan is to get Samberg playing time in the AHL first, but I'd love to see him get some reps in sooner rather than later to see what he could bring. Forbert has been Ok in a small sample size so far, but I don't know if he's been good, or just looked better than some other D playing terrible. He is sloooow.

- When PLD joins the team, I wonder if it would be valuable for PoMo to try 3 lines with Scheif, PLD, and Stastny as the C's, but with a defensively responsible winger on each of the 3 lines. So Scheif/Wheeler, PLD/Ehlers, and Stas/Conner for example with Copp, Harkins, and maybe MP on each line trying to add some defense. Or keep Lowry as the 3C and make Stas one of the wingers in the top 9. Could always stack 2 lines in the 3rd when you're down.

 

[ocdaddy]

It looks like PLD is as talented as Nickles offensively, and maybe superior in the defensive zone. The challenge for Maurice is when PLD delivers the goods, does he get recognized as our #1 C or does he get Laine'd/Ehler'ed. Maurice has made his Jets living off of the Scheif/Wheels/Mo Cabal. Probably the hill he dies on.

Man, I hope you are wrong but I think you are right. Ultimately means there's less of a chance for him to sign here.

Mo's love of that line may hurt the team for years after he's gone.

 

[HHel]

This was typical game from Jets. Not be able to play whole 60 mins. Ok there were 5 games in 7 days, but it's PoMo's duty to manage TOI, that everybody has fuel in the tank. Now we saw that hideous performance from CSW, what we're seen time to time. I don't think it's last one in this year considering the tight schedule. If someone belives that PLD changes that TOI distribution they are going to be disappointed. CSW is allways PoMo's number one line and get 20 - 25 min TOI. It's interensing to see how PLD manage that situation.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I think for some of the games we won the way they went this was the game that didn't go our way that we should have won

 

[LowLefty]

Remember Jets was once featured as top to bottom complete team. And then there was disparity on ice times.

I don't feel this new line up compares - we have a top 6 that should be better than anything we iced in the past - that will have the biggest impact on minutes IMO.
If Ehlers and Copp / Stast end up with PLD, you have a potentially high scoring, shut down line - we've never had anything like on top of the Scheif Line.
The Lowry line will be comparable to past years in terms of structure and ice time.
I have no reason to believe our average coach will struggle with this.

 

[bustamente]

All points are precious especially this year, from 2 points to 1 to none made last nights result something I hope we don't have to relive at the end of the season.

 

[ElLoboBlanco]

Anyone else remember that time Helle had a guy break his stick slashing him in the face prior to a goal and the Jets loosing the goalie interference challenge?

This one hurt.

Matty P had a brilliant game after being chosen as the the standard vet punching bag around here. Nice to see him being a forechecking menace while not taking any dumb penalties.

 

[WolfHouse]

We won in Ottawa when we didn't deserve it and lost tonight... hockey gods.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

It looks like PLD is as talented as Nickles offensively, and maybe superior in the defensive zone. The challenge for Maurice is when PLD delivers the goods, does he get recognized as our #1 C or does he get Laine'd/Ehler'ed. Maurice has made his Jets living off of the Scheif/Wheels/Mo Cabal. Probably the hill he dies on.

Just to add to this a bit. I was kind of imagining a 1A/1B situation here. But statistically there appears to be no questions. There should be a first line / second line situation with Scheif centering the second. Now I am more of an old school visual guy 1st / stats 2nd when looking at players, but I know that there are a lot of stats first thinkers here. Thing is, I have only mostly seen PLD game highlights, so I am forced to be stats heavy in terms of forming my initial thoughts.

Source: Sportingnews

If this much daylight in on ice performance shows up in Winnipeg Jets games, Maurice and the Scheif / Wheels / Mo 1st line Cabal will be called out even more going forward. PLD on ice play could finally force an end to it.

 

[tbcwpg]

Coaches sometimes call out guys subtly, in public. They can criticize how a play unfolded and how an assignment was missed or a coverage breakdown occurred or a puck battle was lost without naming a player. Happens all the time. Not calling a guy out, but yeah calling out what went wrong and it becomes pretty obvious who contributed.

Happens all the time, sure, but it doesn't mean it's a good tactic.

 

[WolfHouse]

Just to add to this a bit. I was kind of imagining a 1A/1B situation here. But statistically there appears to be no questions. There should be a first line / second line situation with Scheif centering the second. Now I am more of an old school visual guy 1st / stats 2nd when looking at players, but I know that there are a lot of stats first thinkers here. Thing is, I have only mostly seen PLD game highlights, so I am forced to be stats heavy in terms of forming my initial thoughts.

Source: Sportingnews

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If this much daylight in on ice performance shows up in Winnipeg Jets games, Maurice and the Scheif / Wheels / Mo 1st line Cabal will be called out even more going forward. PLD on ice play could finally force an end to it.

Stats are likely a bit skewed due to Torts defensive system approach versus Maurice's free wheeling... but those are pretty clear.