Confirmed with Link: Jets Hire Rick Bowness as the next head coach, Arniel Associate, Assistants Brad Lauer, Marty Johnston

[surixon]

I'm not sure picking Wheeler over Laine is a real thing. Certainly it is speculative.

Letting the room fester and sticking with Maurice for too long are related, IMO. Might be considered as 2 parts of the same issue.

I think Lowry was considered as a possible future HC from the time he was hired. It did not seem like an unreasonable thing to try at the time. It didn't take very long to see that it wasn't going to work, but they were not going to fire a second HC in the same season. It was too late by then anyway.

Not trying to justify Chevy here, just critiquing your list.

I see Chevy's biggest faults as things not done, rather than things done. I don't think he has been bold enough, aggressive enough, in pursuing a better roster. This is just my opinion and is in no way provable. You can't judge what didn't happen. I think he has been patient to a fault, literally to a fault. It has helped him avoid some big mistakes while also preventing him from making any big progress.

A more aggressive style risks making mistakes that see your team finish lower in the standings. That pain is mitigated by higher draft picks. When it works, you get a legitimate window of contention and a real chance at winning the cup. Risk averse management leaves you permanently stuck in the mushy middle.

What is your idea about aggressive moves? We have seen him be aggressive at the deadlines in 18 and 19.

The Dubois deal strikes me as an aggressive one but we are seeing the pitfalls of that. Traded a a talented scoring winger (surplus) for a big and physical play driving top center. The down side is that it looks like we are likly only getting 3 years of service because the player wants to walk as a FA.

So the question becomes how aggressive do you really think Chevy can be in this market. I'm sure he's had plenty of conversations with GMs to get good players with limited term left (Stone, Jones etc) only to be told by the player agent that said player wont reup. We know that happened with Stone, killing any chance of a deal there.

If you are looking at a young player with term, how often do those players ever get traded? I can't really recall the last time that happened so expecting to deal for very good talent locked in for a while is not something that you can count on as very few of those players are on the market.

So essentially you are looking at trying to trade for good players with limited term remaining on their deals and trying to convince them to stay. We see how that has worked with Dubois to date.

So with that said I can see why the team holds onto its talented players who have committed to the market and aren't very quick to move them. Through conversations Chevy likely knows he will have a hard time convincing whoever he trades for to stay. I think this is why you see our big trades happen with pieces who don't want to be here like Kane, Laine as there isn't as much risk. Ok well Dubois doesn't want to stay but that is OK because Laine wasn't staying either. Whereas if we traded say Conner for Dubois well you just gave up a player that committed and has 4 years left in his deal for a guy who's leaving in 2.

 

[surixon]

Lots of truth to this post. A few additional comments:

Yeah, it wasn't Laine vs Wheeler as much as it was impatient, immature youth vs the Jets establishment. In this case, the establishment was the owner, GM, coach and senior leadership group. That group was carefully chosen and, once in place, mutually supportive, slow to change and loyal. To a fault.

One thing I will say about Wheeler is that he has been incredibly loyal to the city, team and management. When he was most productive on the ice and the team was winning it was a marriage made in heaven. But loyalty can also lead to poor decision-making or indecision (your point) and that has cost the team. I feel badly for Wheeler but still recognize that his words and actions (and also silence and inaction) are part of the problem.

The whole Atlanta leadership core bought into their new city and team 100% and deserve a lot of credit for that. Unfortunately, they aged/ injured out before they could have a multi-year Cup run with the younger stars. A number of those younger stars--Trouba, Laine and now PLD have put their personal preferences ahead of loyalty to city or team. They are a new generation of me-first stars and TNSE is going to have to adapt more quickly to that reality, because they are not buying the loyalty/stability cards that Chipman and Co are selling.

There are others, like Ehlers and Morrissey, who appear to be less entitled and more willing to embrace a shared future with their NHL club. Would be nice to have a reliable psychological test to identify those types before the draft.

It's a complicated business for sure, but times and mores are changing, and TNSE has to change with them.

Yeah. The org needs to figure out what some of these kids want.
-Trouba wanted to go somewhere where his fiance could go to school.
-Kane different lifestyle
-Bogo no clue

Not really much you can do about the above.

It's the Lanie's, Roslovic's, Dubois's of the world where you need to get a handle on what it is they want and how you can keep them happy.

I think in Laine and Roslovic opportunity was the biggest issue.

In Maurice's system and roster deployment Jack couldn't get the type of opportunity he'd be happy with. A more porigressive third line approach and I bet he's happy to stay.

Laine is tougher as he had an elite player blocking him on the right his first few seasons here. After that though Maurice should have used him with Mark more often imo. But still hard to say outside of gift wrapping him the top line spot what could have been done there.

I think with most young players they want what they feel they have earned and don't have the patience to wait their turn.

I think this org needs to do a better job of getting these kids in positions to succeed. If they believe they have been treated fairly then I think they are more likely to stay.

 

[tbcwpg]

I think the hardest job in the nhl thing is overblown . Players don’t get clauses until they hit ufa. So over half the nhl could be traded for if available. Then you add the players that are under contract with no clauses and that’s even more available.

Sure the most players want out of Winnipeg . But it’s his job to plan around that.

He has made crucial mistakes that have set this franchise back

Picking Wheeler over laine imo
Letting the room fester
Maurice here to long ( every coach for that matter)
Throwing away an entire season with lowry as head coach after Maurice quit.


Im sure there is way more as well

RFAs are getting NTCs built in, or at least RFAs who are signing with their team and including UFA years. Bjorkstrand is a recent example - he had an M-NTC start this summer but he signed this current contract as an RFA.

Not convincing anyone with these names. Not a single core piece there.

Careful, hope you fill in the divots where those goalposts used to be.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yeah, it wasn't Laine vs Wheeler as much as it was impatient, immature youth vs the Jets establishment. In this case, the establishment was the owner, GM, coach and senior leadership group. That group was carefully chosen and, once in place, mutually supportive, slow to change and loyal. To a fault.

One thing I will say about Wheeler is that he has been incredibly loyal to the city, team and management. When he was most productive on the ice and the team was winning it was a marriage made in heaven. But loyalty can also lead to poor decision-making or indecision (your point) and that has cost the team. I feel badly for Wheeler but still recognize that his words and actions (and also silence and inaction) are part of the problem.

The whole Atlanta leadership core bought into their new city and team 100% and deserve a lot of credit for that. Unfortunately, they aged/ injured out before they could have a multi-year Cup run with the younger stars. A number of those younger stars--Trouba, Laine and now PLD have put their personal preferences ahead of loyalty to city or team. They are a new generation of me-first stars and TNSE is going to have to adapt more quickly to that reality, because they are not buying the loyalty/stability cards that Chipman and Co are selling.

There are others, like Ehlers and Morrissey, who appear to be less entitled and more willing to embrace a shared future with their NHL club. Would be nice to have a reliable psychological test to identify those types before the draft.

It's a complicated business for sure, but times and mores are changing, and TNSE has to change with them.

Good post.
But I will offer 1 correction. The Atlanta core that arrived with the franchise did not buy in. Most did but some did not, notably Oduya. Probably could have used him in the 2015 PO. Not a biggie though.

 

[Gm0ney]

Good post.
But I will offer 1 correction. The Atlanta core that arrived with the franchise did not buy in. Most did but some did not, notably Oduya. Probably could have used him in the 2015 PO. Not a biggie though.

Hainsey was the guy who clearly didn't want to be here. Oduya seemed happy enough but got moved out quickly. Mason and Glass were two more who opted out of returning. I take it Mason's wife didn't enjoy it (and he might have been mad he wasn't getting starts behind Pavs). IIRC, Glass made it sound like Chevy was just dragging his feet so he signed with the Pens. Glass wasn't moving the needle much aside from being a fan favorite on the GST line.

 

[scelaton]

Good post.
But I will offer 1 correction. The Atlanta core that arrived with the franchise did not buy in. Most did but some did not, notably Oduya. Probably could have used him in the 2015 PO. Not a biggie though.

Sure, but that's why I referred to the Atlanta leadership core, as opposed to the Atlanta contingent in general. Oduya was an average D at best without much leadership value. Kane was a budding star, but of negative leadership value in the dressing room or community.

The core I am referring to was Buff, Little, Ladd, Wheeler (and probably Enstrom)--all extremely talented leaders and willing to sign long-term....except Ladd, thank goodness!

 

[surixon]

Sure, but that's why I referred to the Atlanta leadership core, as opposed to the Atlanta contingent in general. Oduya was an average D at best without much leadership value. Kane was a budding star, but of negative leadership value in the dressing room or community.

The core I am referring to was Buff, Little, Ladd, Wheeler (and probably Enstrom)--all extremely talented leaders and willing to sign long-term....except Ladd, thank goodness!

Ladd signed for 5 years when he got here. Thankfully he wasn't signed to another Ling term deal after.

 

[DRW204]

Sure, but that's why I referred to the Atlanta leadership core, as opposed to the Atlanta contingent in general. Oduya was an average D at best without much leadership value. Kane was a budding star, but of negative leadership value in the dressing room or community.

The core I am referring to was Buff, Little, Ladd, Wheeler (and probably Enstrom)--all extremely talented leaders and willing to sign long-term....except Ladd, thank goodness!

dont forget Pavelec! 5 year ~20M

 

[voyageur]

What kind of changes are people expecting from the coaching staff this year?

I can see Bowness and Arniel being on the same plane, but systems wise I don't know how the team will change. A more aggressive forecheck?

Who is coaching the defense this year? Marty Johnston? What's his impact having experience coaching many of the players that have worked their way up the roster?

 

[Teemusalami204]

What kind of changes are people expecting from the coaching staff this year?

I can see Bowness and Arniel being on the same plane, but systems wise I don't know how the team will change. A more aggressive forecheck?

Who is coaching the defense this year? Marty Johnston? What's his impact having experience coaching many of the players that have worked their way up the roster?

Personally and I know I always come out a pessimist, but I think it’s the players chevys drafted what do not know how to play defensive hockey. Other then lowry not one forward we have is above average defensively.

I think it could improve as well but imo the way to get the most out of this group is try to ourscore the opponent and be in their end the most . If we try and rely on our forwards for defence it’s going to bit us in the ass

 

[Jets 31]

Personally and I know I always come out a pessimist, but I think it’s the players chevys drafted what do not know how to play defensive hockey. Other then lowry not one forward we have is above average defensively.

I think it could improve as well but imo the way to get the most out of this group is try to ourscore the opponent and be in their end the most . If we try and rely on our forwards for defence it’s going to bit us in the ass

Sometimes under Maurice and Lowry it didn't look like we were playing any kind of system. I just hope Bowness makes everyone buy in to a better defensive system and if a player won't he doesn't dress for a game or 2 , no matter who that player is.

 

[Jet]

Personally and I know I always come out a pessimist, but I think it’s the players chevys drafted what do not know how to play defensive hockey. Other then lowry not one forward we have is above average defensively.

I think it could improve as well but imo the way to get the most out of this group is try to ourscore the opponent and be in their end the most . If we try and rely on our forwards for defence it’s going to bit us in the ass

Good thing that playing D is more systems and coaching and less about skill.

Sure, elite defenders are nice to have but you can teach a team to collectively defend well, but you can't teach players without skill to score.

It remains to be seen how much the new coaching will be able to devise and implement defensive systems, but with how atrocious we were at defending over the past few years, it wouldn't be a huge stretch to improve it.

 

[surixon]

Personally and I know I always come out a pessimist, but I think it’s the players chevys drafted what do not know how to play defensive hockey. Other then lowry not one forward we have is above average defensively.

I think it could improve as well but imo the way to get the most out of this group is try to ourscore the opponent and be in their end the most . If we try and rely on our forwards for defence it’s going to bit us in the ass

Imo defense is a skill that can be taught to a certain degree. You see it all the time in other teams where you have a group of poor defensive players and then a new coach comes in and there are improvements both individually and as a collective.

While I agree he leaned into drafting skill over two way ability imo a big part of the failing lies on Maurice for never teaching our skilled guys how to play defense nor for holding them accountable for the good old fly bys and cheating. How many times did we as a collective pull the hair out of our head when Moe bragged to the media on how our skilled players didn't require coaching and that Conner's defensive game was great. No shit they never improved when they thought they were doing well.


Anyhow I expect better defensive results this year as both Bowness and Arniel when he was a HC had solid defensive results and good PK results.

I'm a bit more concerned about our offensive schemes.

 

[TS Quint]

Sometimes under Maurice and Lowry it didn't look like we were playing any kind of system. I just hope Bowness makes everyone buy in to a better defensive system and if a player won't he doesn't dress for a game or 2 , no matter who that player is.

Adam came out in a press conference and said they didn’t know what they were supposed to be doing out there. Pretty damning on his old man.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Adam came out in a press conference and said they didn’t know what they were supposed to be doing out there. Pretty damning on his old man.

Or pretty damning on the players. I mean, I would have to see the actual comment and the context in which it was delivered. But I have to wonder if Adam was speaking for the team. Did he do a poll of his teammates as to their understanding of what they were supposed to be doing? Sometimes, people will say "we don't know what to do" when they should be saying "some of us don't know what to do" or "a few of us don't know what to do" or maybe it comes right down to "I don't know what to do".

Failing students are always quick to blame the teacher for their own shortcomings. Or in this case, teachers, plural. Cause they were failing under both Maurice and Lowry. It remains to be seen how well they will do under Mr Bowness. Will a certain few who shall not be named buckle down and hit the books this year, or just sit in the back row playing with their phones and snickering?

 

[10Ducky10]

Adam came out in a press conference and said they didn’t know what they were supposed to be doing out there. Pretty damning on his old man.

I've watched nearly all the players' interviews from last season and cannot remember this.
Can you remember who the interviewer was?

 

[hockeyarena]

So when will the leadership in the locker room change?

When that lady teaches Mcgroarty to skate.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

When that lady teaches Mcgroarty to skate.

When Wheeler is traded or retires

 

[TS Quint]

Or pretty damning on the players. I mean, I would have to see the actual comment and the context in which it was delivered. But I have to wonder if Adam was speaking for the team. Did he do a poll of his teammates as to their understanding of what they were supposed to be doing? Sometimes, people will say "we don't know what to do" when they should be saying "some of us don't know what to do" or "a few of us don't know what to do" or maybe it comes right down to "I don't know what to do".

Failing students are always quick to blame the teacher for their own shortcomings. Or in this case, teachers, plural. Cause they were failing under both Maurice and Lowry. It remains to be seen how well they will do under Mr Bowness. Will a certain few who shall not be named buckle down and hit the books this year, or just sit in the back row playing with their phones and snickering?

You don't need to take a poll to know who knows what they are supposed to be doing on the ice. You can see it with your own eyes. Especially when You are playing.



This may have been what I was thinking of. Its hard to find these things.

"Good teams have a game plan and identity"

He does speak about the players and what they need to do but I think a game plan and identity is a coaches responsibility.

I'm also not as angry with Scheifele as many are with his post season comments. The coaching has been junk. That's not a very controversial opinion for most fans. The fact they left Lowry in as their coach was management giving up on a season where they were supposed to be competing.

The players should be pissed. Scheifele should want to know what the direction of the team is going. What are the Jets doing with Dave Lowry as their HC in a year they are trying to be competitive?

Hes not the only frustrated player. You can see frustrated players game after game for the back half of the season. People who believe their managers are doing everything they can don't talk like Jets were this year. Its a sign of frustration in the teams management. Clearly the Jets would prefer to keep things quiet and in house. The players felt that wasn't helping so they lashed out about the team.

 

[ps241]

You don't need to take a poll to know who knows what they are supposed to be doing on the ice. You can see it with your own eyes. Especially when You are playing.



This may have been what I was thinking of. Its hard to find these things.

"Good teams have a game plan and identity"

He does speak about the players and what they need to do but I think a game plan and identity is a coaches responsibility.

I'm also not as angry with Scheifele as many are with his post season comments. The coaching has been junk. That's not a very controversial opinion for most fans. The fact they left Lowry in as their coach was management giving up on a season where they were supposed to be competing.

The players should be pissed. Scheifele should want to know what the direction of the team is going. What are the Jets doing with Dave Lowry as their HC in a year they are trying to be competitive?

Hes not the only frustrated player. You can see frustrated players game after game for the back half of the season. People who believe their managers are doing everything they can don't talk like Jets were this year. Its a sign of frustration in the teams management. Clearly the Jets would prefer to keep things quiet and in house. The players felt that wasn't helping so they lashed out about the team.

I can understand every player including Mark being frustrated by losing, and it turns out Dave Lowry was a piss poor choice as the interim head coach. My stuggle was Mark cheated the game way too much for points last season and I saw a different player than the one I use to be a huge fan of. We all have our own take, and the good news is that total mess was last season which is in the past. I have turned that page, we have a new coaching staff, and I am looking forward to watching “everyone” buy into the system so I can see if this group is capable of playing to win as a group. Bowness is the coach for this season and maybe next so lets see how well he can sell more boring but hopefully effective team hockey.

 

[Hobble]

Lauer, who hails from Humboldt, Sask., leaves the Oil Kings following four successful seasons in which he helped guide the team to a record of 154-46-13-10 after being hired on June 27, 2018.

“There are a few factors that come in to a decision like this,” said Lauer. “First, we thought it was a good fit and situation for my family and me.

“The other thing is, I think the Jets are a heck of a team, they’ve got great goaltending and great players throughout their lineup and it’s a really exciting opportunity to get to work with them.”

In Winnipeg, Lauer will reunite with newly named Jets Head Coach Rick Bowness, who he coached with in Tampa Bay from 2015 to 2018.

Might be controversial, but if this coaching staff could also get the Jets to a 154-46-13-10 record, I’d call that a success.

 

[DRW204]

havent really had a great communicator... hmmmmm

 

[surixon]

havent really had a great communicator... hmmmmm

Well there is certainly no love loss between him and Maurice. I figured he wasn't as enamored with Moe as Wheeler was.

 

[Roughneck1]

Well there is certainly no love loss between him and Maurice. I figured he wasn't as enamored with Moe as Wheeler was.

Maybe he’s also fed up with being stuck to Wheeler but Maurice kept sticking him on his line when clearly things weren’t working. Could explain the lacklustre play a bit.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

Well there is certainly no love loss between him and Maurice. I figured he wasn't as enamored with Moe as Wheeler was.

I think it’s random out of context one line tweets like this that fans look too much into and come often to a more extreme conclusion.

In the interview with Sara Orlesky he also said Bowness is a great communicator but didn’t mention he never had that before, clearly that means he was more enamored with Maurice than Wheeler was