Well, George. According to the Jetsons wiki, today is the day you are born. Happy date of birth!
Confirmed with Link: Jets Hire Rick Bowness as the next head coach, Arniel Associate, Assistants Brad Lauer, Marty Johnston
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A mean orderly named Sven in about 25 yearsHow about that. Thanks!
EDIT: Who's going to change my diaper?
Sip?How about that. Thanks!
EDIT: Who's going to change my diaper?
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I think I'd rather have Sven...
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Maybe for valid reasons? Have you read the Dallas board thread? These are people who have watched the team extensively for the time Bowness was coaching there. How much have you watched the Stars? Do you really feel you are in a position of knowledge to so casually dismiss their comments? Which again, you likely haven't even read, so...
reading dallas hfboards, and commentary here and there on twitter, they really were not displeased to see Bowness go, & seems to have really wanted him gone at the beginning of 2021-2022. seems similar to us and Maurice.
i really dunno if Bowness is a good coach or not. he was an AC under Montgomery, and DAL on-ice stats (including defensive play) was basically unchanged going from Montgomery to Bowness in-year. So Bowness just kept doing what was previously instilled, & not f*** it up? perhaps he learned from the much younger Montgomery? no idea.
he's been an NHL HC since the 80s, basically a career assistant. wasn't on anyone's coaching radar this hiring-season (other than rebuilds as an AC iirc) & really doesn't have much to note in his resume in 30+ years overall. he talks a good game in interviews, PR etc, where have we seen that before? it's easy to PR your way through an interview, create good-will w/ the fanbase & sound like the man.... they got departments/teams/specialists etc that basically do this for a living. lets see what he actually does with our roster, & results he attains.
ERYX
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So I guess we should just start the fire Bowness thread now and get it over with?
Honestly though, any team forum I've read, they seem to hate the coach. Not sure there's a coach who fans like ... I guess Cooper is decently liked after 2 Cups, but I remember reading a lot of hate for him after the Bolts got taken down by Columbus.
If Jets do better than last year (with basically the same and a bit worse roster) we'll know Bowness is at least a better coach than Maurice (or the coach the Jets needed in any event). If they're worse we'll know he's another Lowry and let the pitchforks be brandished and the torches lit.
Teemusalami204
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Well Chevy and Chipman obviously think we have a contender . And with the new coaching we can win a cup.
So I guess let’s see how this team does
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I think there's a difference between thinking they're a Cup contender and a playoff contender. Not every team goes into it expecting a Stanley Cup - that said, the Jets do have a lot of pieces that could put together a strong run provided they all fire at once.
IMO the results need to be there early this season.
It’s fine to handwave away last year’s struggles by putting the blame on coaching (and I would agree coaching had a big impact) but the fact that they pissed away the window by keeping Maurice too long shouldn’t absolve them from needing results, now.
I’m game to give Bowness a shot but the window is fleeting and if this team isn’t getting it done by December I’d be onboard with trading core players.
That said, I’m sure we’ll struggle early given the strength of the schedule and the players trying to learn new systems.
It’s fine to handwave away last year’s struggles by putting the blame on coaching (and I would agree coaching had a big impact) but the fact that they pissed away the window by keeping Maurice too long shouldn’t absolve them from needing results, now.
I’m game to give Bowness a shot but the window is fleeting and if this team isn’t getting it done by December I’d be onboard with trading core players.
That said, I’m sure we’ll struggle early given the strength of the schedule and the players trying to learn new systems.
Stastny x2, Hayes, Frolik, Schmidt, Demelo, Dillon, Lee frickin Stempniak. Just some I can think of off the top of my head.
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All I know is that the Jets have finally rid themselves of Charlie Huddy, who may be a great guy, but, in my opinion, is not even a reasonable facsimile of a defensive coach. (I'm assuming that he had a lot of input into the team's defensive schemes and strategies.) That's a big positive in my book. I'm giving the new coaching group until American Thanksgiving to, at least, give the impression of turning the team around. I may pull out the pitchforks after that though.
As long as they have Helle imo they'll be trying to compete. Goaltending is paramount and they got a high quality one.
Every year it seems like, atleast to the fans, that "this is a big year for Chevy" yet the team underperforms and he recently gets rewarded. Perhaps they're not really "big years" as we think and they're ok with how the teams doing
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I did look… I didn’t remember all the circumstances, so I do stand corrected , I am wrong in my generalizations.
Cheers
Or maybe being a GM of the smallest market in the NHL in a restrictive country with high taxes is, you know, a hard job and Chevy is doing well?As long as they have Helle imo they'll be trying to compete. Goaltending is paramount and they got a high quality one.
Every year it seems like, atleast to the fans, that "this is a big year for Chevy" yet the team underperforms and he recently gets rewarded. Perhaps they're not really "big years" as we think and they're ok with how the teams doing
Just because he's not cowtowing to fans and being trigger happy doesn't mean he's not doing well. If he overpaid for all the players this board has wanted over the years we'd have 10 Wheeler contracts and a shitty, shitty team.
Teemusalami204
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I think the hardest job in the nhl thing is overblown . Players don’t get clauses until they hit ufa. So over half the nhl could be traded for if available. Then you add the players that are under contract with no clauses and that’s even more available.
Sure the most players want out of Winnipeg . But it’s his job to plan around that.
He has made crucial mistakes that have set this franchise back
Picking Wheeler over laine imo
Letting the room fester
Maurice here to long ( every coach for that matter)
Throwing away an entire season with lowry as head coach after Maurice quit.
Im sure there is way more as well
PLD doesn’t have a no-trade clause. It’s not always so easy to deal with RFAs, even if you can acquire them. If you can’t sign them long term, it really limits your options.
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As long as they have Helle imo they'll be trying to compete. Goaltending is paramount and they got a high quality one.
Every year it seems like, atleast to the fans, that "this is a big year for Chevy" yet the team underperforms and he recently gets rewarded. Perhaps they're not really "big years" as we think and they're ok with how the teams doing
'Them' being OK with how the team is doing is the problem.
There is no substantiated proof that he picked Laine over Wheeler. Laine wanted a trade and he was accommodated. As to why he wanted a trade? I guess he could claim utilization but he got a lot of opportunity here and played like ass the last 2 seasons. The whole Wheeler bullying PL crap is nonsense unless you subscribe to the notion that key players who are underperforming shouldn't be held accountable by leadership.
Letting the room fester is valid IF you believe the room has been bad for several years. There's more evidence that this is not true than true
I agree he handled the coaching situation poorly, by keeping Mau around too long, but it's fairly commonplace to replace a coach mid season with an internal interim.
You weren't going to overhaul systems and fix shit mid season likely anyways.
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I'm not sure picking Wheeler over Laine is a real thing. Certainly it is speculative.
Letting the room fester and sticking with Maurice for too long are related, IMO. Might be considered as 2 parts of the same issue.
I think Lowry was considered as a possible future HC from the time he was hired. It did not seem like an unreasonable thing to try at the time. It didn't take very long to see that it wasn't going to work, but they were not going to fire a second HC in the same season. It was too late by then anyway.
Not trying to justify Chevy here, just critiquing your list.
I see Chevy's biggest faults as things not done, rather than things done. I don't think he has been bold enough, aggressive enough, in pursuing a better roster. This is just my opinion and is in no way provable. You can't judge what didn't happen. I think he has been patient to a fault, literally to a fault. It has helped him avoid some big mistakes while also preventing him from making any big progress.
A more aggressive style risks making mistakes that see your team finish lower in the standings. That pain is mitigated by higher draft picks. When it works, you get a legitimate window of contention and a real chance at winning the cup. Risk averse management leaves you permanently stuck in the mushy middle.
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Yeah, it wasn't Laine vs Wheeler as much as it was impatient, immature youth vs the Jets establishment. In this case, the establishment was the owner, GM, coach and senior leadership group. That group was carefully chosen and, once in place, mutually supportive, slow to change and loyal. To a fault.
One thing I will say about Wheeler is that he has been incredibly loyal to the city, team and management. When he was most productive on the ice and the team was winning it was a marriage made in heaven. But loyalty can also lead to poor decision-making or indecision (your point) and that has cost the team. I feel badly for Wheeler but still recognize that his words and actions (and also silence and inaction) are part of the problem.
The whole Atlanta leadership core bought into their new city and team 100% and deserve a lot of credit for that. Unfortunately, they aged/ injured out before they could have a multi-year Cup run with the younger stars. A number of those younger stars--Trouba, Laine and now PLD have put their personal preferences ahead of loyalty to city or team. They are a new generation of me-first stars and TNSE is going to have to adapt more quickly to that reality, because they are not buying the loyalty/stability cards that Chipman and Co are selling.
There are others, like Ehlers and Morrissey, who appear to be less entitled and more willing to embrace a shared future with their NHL club. Would be nice to have a reliable psychological test to identify those types before the draft.
It's a complicated business for sure, but times and mores are changing, and TNSE has to change with them.
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