Confirmed with Link: Jets Hire Rick Bowness as the next head coach, Arniel Associate, Assistants Brad Lauer, Marty Johnston

[DRW204]

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It would be nice to hear if the Jets locker room had a problem and if it was addressed with the new coach.

Pretty sure he said in his intro conference he is working on fixing it.

 

[Heldig]

Pretty sure he said in his intro conference he is working on fixing it.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the C, A and A.

 

[hockeyarena]

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It would be nice to hear if the Jets locker room had a problem and if it was addressed with the new coach.

Cannot wait to see torts in Philly. Gonna be fricken awesome.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Cannot wait to see torts in Philly. Gonna be fricken awesome.

A mock Torts vs Gritty fight in the preseason would be hilarious. Maybe have torts make some strong comments about Gritty leading to the fight.

 

[JetsFan815]

Personally, I'm super excited to see the Jets with their first new Head Coach since 2013, and first completely new coaching staff (except Flaherty) ever.

I'm hoping to see a new culture, a refreshed looking team, and player buy-in. The Jets have a decent roster this year, with some possible changes still to come.

I mean I guess but there really isn't anything substantially different between this team and the one last year. If anything the team is arguably worse with no Copp/Stastny. The only player who might improve the team is Perfetti but enough to overcome the loss of Copp/Stastny let alone an improvement over last season? Doubtful, esp since Wheeler will be another year old and further along the aging curve.

I only expect the coach to improve on the margins, unless you are going from a drastically bad coach to a good coach. Here we are going from probably a league average coach to another league average coach so very much doubt that the improvements will be anything more than on the margins.

 

[Jack7222]

I mean I guess but there really isn't anything substantially different between this team and the one last year. If anything the team is arguably worse with no Copp/Stastny. The only player who might improve the team is Perfetti but enough to overcome the loss of Copp/Stastny let alone an improvement over last season? Doubtful, esp since Wheeler will be another year old and further along the aging curve.

I only expect the coach to improve on the margins, unless you are going from a drastically bad coach to a good coach. Here we are going from probably a league average coach to another league average coach so very much doubt that the improvements will be anything more than on the margins.

I'd agree if our team had been playing their hearts out every night and just couldn't get it done, and hired a coach to try to get them over the 'hump' or something.

But the truth is our team has been listless and disorganized for a couple of years and especially last year. There seemed to be major motivation issues and major systemic issues with a lot of players not on the same page. I don't think we needed a 'drastically good coach', we just needed someone with some pedigree who can come in and get everyone onto the same page again and Bowness gives that.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but I won't be surprised if we see some big improvements.

 

[leer2006]

Which part exactly? None of it is really noteworthy imo.

For me it’s the whole status quo thing Chevy said. Why is it only Jet’s management that seems to think everything is ok and either then the coach no real changes are needed?

 

[Howard Chuck]

I can’t help myself, I’m always excited and optimistic going into every season.

 

[Jet]

For me it’s the whole status quo thing Chevy said. Why is it only Jet’s management that seems to think everything is ok and either then the coach no real changes are needed?

This is highly assumptive. You have no idea what Jets management thinks or what they’ve tried to do or what's still to come.

If you're taking what a team rep is saying in a press conference before the season as the unfiltered truth you are super naive.

They need to paint a positive picture to sell tickets.

Finally, essentially the same team was picked to be a threat last year, and we can pretty much all agree that coaching sunk us. So, wouldn't an entirely new staff be a big step forward?

The hand wringing around here before tc has even started is next level

 

[Jetsfan79]

I mean I guess but there really isn't anything substantially different between this team and the one last year. If anything the team is arguably worse with no Copp/Stastny. The only player who might improve the team is Perfetti but enough to overcome the loss of Copp/Stastny let alone an improvement over last season? Doubtful, esp since Wheeler will be another year old and further along the aging curve.

I only expect the coach to improve on the margins, unless you are going from a drastically bad coach to a good coach. Here we are going from probably a league average coach to another league average coach so very much doubt that the improvements will be anything more than on the margins.

Jets are worse on paper. I've seen NHL teams in the past that look bad/worse on paper and played good in reality and vice versa. Daryll Suter proved its possible to turn around a team with (essentially ) the same players. Even so, I'm still not holding my breath things will substantially improve . But I wouldn't be shocked if it does.

 

[Teemusalami204]

This is highly assumptive. You have no idea what Jets management thinks or what they’ve tried to do or what's still to come.

If you're taking what a team rep is saying in a press conference before the season as the unfiltered truth you are super naive.

They need to paint a positive picture to sell tickets.

Finally, essentially the same team was picked to be a threat last year, and we can pretty much all agree that coaching sunk us. So, wouldn't an entirely new staff be a big step forward?

The hand wringing around here before tc has even started is next level

I find the narrative of “ we don’t know what chevy has tried to do “ very tiring

Are you trying to say that gagner is the only move that has been possible for chevy?

I would get my season tickets chevy could of improved this team if he wanted too.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

I find the narrative of “ we don’t know what chevy has tried to do “ very tiring

Are you trying to say that gagner is the only move that has been possible for chevy?

I would get my season tickets chevy could of improved this team if he wanted too.

You find the narrative “we don’t know what Chevy has tried to do” tiring, but it’s only ever in response to something along the lines of “Chevy could have improved this team if he wanted to”, well guess what that narrative is tiresome also.

 

[Jetsfan79]

I find the narrative of “ we don’t know what chevy has tried to do “ very tiring

Are you trying to say that gagner is the only move that has been possible for chevy?

I would get my season tickets chevy could of improved this team if he wanted too.

A narrative is a preconceived notion that cherry pics information that fits to your own personal opinion. Not knowing what Chevy has done or tried in private conversations in his office is not a narrative. Its a fact.

 

[Jet]

I find the narrative of “ we don’t know what chevy has tried to do “ very tiring

Are you trying to say that gagner is the only move that has been possible for chevy?

I would get my season tickets chevy could of improved this team if he wanted too.

I know, man. The truth is tiring. I don't know if it's cognitive dissonance but it's not an opinion, it is a simple fact that none of us on this forum know exactly what Chevy has tried to do, or is still working on this offseason.

I also find it hard to believe that if Chevy would have made a couple more moves you would have gotten seasons. It's not a trivial investment.

At this point I am hoping Chevy goes with the roster as is and we tear it up this year. I'm not a petty man but I would love to revisit some of the posts I've seen this offseason.

A narrative is a preconceived notion that cherry pics information that fits to your own personal opinion. Not knowing what Chevy has done or tried in private conversations in his office is not a narrative. Its a fact.

THANK YOU!

If we could only seperate fact from opinion from speculation, rumor and emotion on this board we would be able to have a more sensible debate. 70% of what we read is a slogfest through misinterpretation of data, either due to ignorance or willful twisting of the truth.

 

[DRW204]

Jets are worse on paper. I've seen NHL teams in the past that look bad/worse on paper and played good in reality and vice versa. Daryll Suter proved its possible to turn around a team with (essentially ) the same players. Even so, I'm still not holding my breath things will substantially improve . But I wouldn't be shocked if it does.

the 2 glaring recent examples is Trotz in NYI and Sutter as you mentioned. I dont think Bowness is in those guys tier of NHL coaches. are there others? i guess Keefe and Babcock recently maybe? but babcock was coming off 2 straight 100+ pt years and a 95 pt year.

I find the narrative of “ we don’t know what chevy has tried to do “ very tiring

Are you trying to say that gagner is the only move that has been possible for chevy?

I would get my season tickets chevy could of improved this team if he wanted too.

agreed. which gm isnt trying at this point? its basically a given. imagine that being the criteria for your job just to try. 0 on results, achievements, championships etc., but j to maintain a high paying role for 11+ years. what do you call trying and achieving nothing? but hey, we are for sure happy to be here. how much would this gm accomplish if he wasn't trying

 

[Jet]

the 2 glaring recent examples is Trotz in NYI and Sutter as you mentioned. I dont think Bowness is in those guys tier of NHL coaches. are there others? i guess Keefe and Babcock recently, but babcock was coming off 2 straight 100+ pt years and a 95 pt year.

Craig Berube is a prime example and he did it within a season. He got a team that was playing like shit and was out of the playoffs in December playing as one unit, with confidence and belief in themselves and one another. They ended up winning the cup.

I don't think Craig Berube is a top tier coach or some magician. That team needed an identity and clear instructions on how to play their game and he gave them that.

 

[DRW204]

Craig Berube is a prime example and he did it within a season. He got a team that was playing like shit and was out of the playoffs in December playing as one unit, with confidence and belief in themselves and one another. They ended up winning the cup.

I don't think Craig Berube is a top tier coach or some magician. That team needed an identity and clear instructions on how to play their game and he gave them that.

that wasn't a worse team on paper. that was the same team.

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the babcock doesnt hold really then neither does CGY. was any team really worse on-paper vs the coach before? Sutter inherited the team in-season. same w/ Keefe.

i do expect this team to be a bit better in defense, by how much? not sure. i can also see a scale back in offense though. i don't think the biggest factor will be bowness though. it will be helle bouncing back to his standards.

 

[Weezeric]

that wasn't a worse team on paper. that was the same team.

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the babcock doesnt hold really then neither does CGY. was any team really worse on-paper vs the coach before? Sutter inherited the team in-season. same w/ Keefe.

i do expect this team to be a bit better in defense, by how much? not sure. i can also see a scale back in offense though. i don't think the biggest factor will be bowness though. it will be helle bouncing back to his standards.

The team was bottom five in shooting percentage and bottom ten in goals at 5v5 last year.

You’re expecting them to be worse this year?

 

[Jetsfan79]

There's allot of ways at looking at it. Defense needs to be better, offensive has to backcheck harder ,team defense needs to improve, emerging players having good years etc.

I think it's pretty simple. We have a Vezina callibre goalie. If the Jets can reduce high danger shots against to make Helle's life easier, everything else should take care of itself. Wins will come. Moreso if Helle has a bounce back year.

 

[Jet]

that wasn't a worse team on paper. that was the same team.

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the babcock doesnt hold really then neither does CGY. was any team really worse on-paper vs the coach before? Sutter inherited the team in-season. same w/ Keefe.

i do expect this team to be a bit better in defense, by how much? not sure. i can also see a scale back in offense though. i don't think the biggest factor will be bowness though. it will be helle bouncing back to his standards.

Good lord. We are really cutting it thin with the 'worse on paper' argument:

Out:
Copp
Statsny
Vesalainen
Comrie

In:
Perfetti
Gagner
Barron
Rittich

Looking at this list an argument could be made we are BETTER than we were last year, ESPECIALLY if Samberg beats Stanley out in TC.

 

[DRW204]

The team was bottom five in shooting percentage and bottom ten in goals at 5v5 last year.

You’re expecting them to be worse this year?

id have to dive into it a bit deeper in this. but could you see a scale back in offensive chances w/ Bowness at the helm if they're playing more concentrated defense? for instance, the Jets were 12th in Shots For this year. DAL in the 3 years under bowness were 21st (20th this year). so, an uptick in team-SH%, with lesser offensive chances might not increase the GF as much as you'd expect.

Good lord. We are really cutting it thin with the 'worse on paper' argument:

Out:
Copp
Statsny
Vesalainen
Comrie

In:
Perfetti
Gagner
Barron
Rittich

Looking at this list an argument could be made we are BETTER than we were last year, ESPECIALLY if Samberg beats Stanley out in TC.

i don't think many will agree with you on this. Copp & Stastny year are better than every player on the in list i believe. Perfetti should be equivalent to one of them in point totals, not sure about other areas

 

[Jet]

id have to dive into it a bit deeper. but could you see a scale back in offensive chances w/ Bowness at the helm if they're playing more concentrated defense? for instance, the Jets were 12th in Shots For this year. DAL in the 3 years under bowness were 21st (20th this year). so, an uptick in team-SH%, with lesser offensive chances might not increase the GF as much as you'd expect.

From what Bowness was saying, I don't think it's necessarily a heavier focus on defense, but rather a focus on a defined system and agressiveness all over the ice.

The one thing that I think measurably deteriorated from 17-18 for the Jets was agressiveness. We became passive and almost timid all over the ice. The 17-18 team was like a pack of wolves, and if we can get back to playing like that in our zone and offensively that shouldn't limit offensive chances it should allow for more.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Finally, essentially the same team was picked to be a threat last year, and we can pretty much all agree that coaching sunk us.

I blame ScheifMe's selfish, disinterested play more than Maurice. I suppose you could put some blame on Mo for not addressing it, but I also have to wonder how much his hands were tied.

 

[ffh]

Good lord. We are really cutting it thin with the 'worse on paper' argument:

Out:
Copp
Statsny
Vesalainen
Comrie

In:
Perfetti
Gagner
Barron
Rittich

Looking at this list an argument could be made we are BETTER than we were last year, ESPECIALLY if Samberg beats Stanley out in TC.

You forgot appleton

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

From what Bowness was saying, I don't think it's necessarily a heavier focus on defense, but rather a focus on a defined system and agressiveness all over the ice.

The one thing that I think measurably deteriorated from 17-18 for the Jets was agressiveness. We became passive and almost timid all over the ice. The 17-18 team was like a pack of wolves, and if we can get back to playing like that in our zone and offensively that shouldn't limit offensive chances it should allow for more.

That team was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Do we even have the makeup to be a "pack of wolves" now? That would be quite a jump from last year's pack of Basset Hounds.