Post-Game Talk: Jets eat plenty on Tuesday Wings night. Jets win 5-1.

[macmaroon]

Looks like I tuned into the game at just the right time since I missed the first 10 minutes.
We just beat the Wings to the puck at almost every opportunity. We outworked them by a large margin.
Is Jack Roslovic the most unlucky player in Jets history or does he just have stone hands? So many opportunities all year and it doesn’t translate to points.

At least I'm not the only one to think that. He seems to be Brian Mullen 2.0...

 

[DannyGallivan]

Hellebuyck owes Brossoit a foot massage for effing his shutout. lol

 

[DannyGallivan]

Red Wings are sad bunch. There’s no compete in that team.

I haven't a team that bad in the "parity" era.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Hey TSN, no one cares about Kiwhy Lenard, the Raptoes or the NBA in Canada outside of TO!

 

[Guffman]

Roslovic soo baad, trade him (Stats 5-on-5. This Roslo-guy is pretty awesome in winning):

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If someone is carrying Roslovic, certainly not his linemate Wheeler, who has been so far statistically worst TOP-6 player for the Jets this season. Barely winning though.

Guys under 200 TOI omitted. Little was playing very well too.

Whoa whoa whoa WHOA!

I thought you guys hate +/- and when I look at GF%, you’re not tricking me into thinking that’s notably different.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Agree and i think the exorcism went all the way to NewYork at least some anyway .

Not sure about that. I am starting to think that the Big Man may have been the feather ruffler or the feathers ruffleder.

 

[Jets 31]

roslovic is a bottom 6 player no matter how much people wish it isn't true. and there is nothing wrong with that. little will get that spot when healthy.

Roslovic is a good player and is playing good , he's not picking up a tonne of points but he's part of the reason the Wheeler , Ehlers line has worked so well this season .

 

[Jets 31]

Not sure about that. I am starting to think that the Big Man may have been the feather ruffler or the feathers ruffleder.

You could be right but he cared enough about the team to throw Kane's clothes in the shower because Kane was being a ass so it doesn't really fit the narrative . Trouba wanted out for a long time , i highly doubt he was saying nice things about Chevy or the team behind closed doors .

 

[Guffman]

Roslovic is a good player and is playing good , he's not picking up a tonne of points but he's part of the reason the Wheeler , Ehlers line has worked so well this season .

Roslovic is certainly playing much better this year. He will still evolve. We’ll see even more out of him down the road.

The opportunities he is now getting should keep him happy. The modest point production should keep us happy in the offseason during contract time to get a value contract.

 

[jepjepjoo]

Whoa whoa whoa WHOA!

I thought you guys hate +/- and when I look at GF%, you’re not tricking me into thinking that’s notably different.

5v5 +/- is different from +/-.

 

[Guffman]

5v5 +/- is different from +/-.

Yes, but conceptually, that is not why many people dismiss +/-.

 

[Jets 31]

Question , since Chevy is pretty good at being frugal lately , did he just put the Jets on Detroit's plane back to Detroit ?

 

[lomiller1]

Whoa whoa whoa WHOA!

I thought you guys hate +/- and when I look at GF%, you’re not tricking me into thinking that’s notably different.

GF% is what +/- should have been, but isn’t because the formula for it is stupid. GF% isn’t a perfect stat either, it suffers from sample size issues but unlike +/- it’s still a useful stat. +/- was developed as an old school motivational tool so it was deliberately slanted to make the "grinders" look better an put more pressure on star players by making them look worse than they really are. Some of the problems with +/-

+/- punishes players who play on the power play
+/- punishes players who get put on the ice when you pull the goaltender because you are down a goal
+/- rewards players for being used on the PK
+/- rewards players for being on the ice when you have a lead and the other team pulls their goaltender
On good teams +/- rewards players who get lots of ice time and punishes those who do not
On bad teams +/- punishes players who get lots of ice time and rewards players who do not.

 

[lomiller1]

Yes, but conceptually, that is not why many people dismiss +/-.

No, this is exactly why people dismiss +/-. Well, that and the fact that +/- isn't rate adjusted.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Well, another game that I couldn't see the end of, but woke up and looked at the score and wow, this team sure is finding it's groove.

They are making a believer out of me.!

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Holy jeebus just realized Frans Nielsen was playing for the Wings last night!

28 games 1 assist 5.25 Million a year for 2 more years after this year! yikes

 

[PhilJets]

19 wins in 31 games this year.

19 wins in 34 games 2 years ago.


What more can we say...


Go Jets Go!!!!!!

 

[Howard Chuck]

If we could get the PP worked out, we would be a very formidable team right now.

 

[Guffman]

GF% is what +/- should have been, but isn’t because the formula for it is stupid. GF% isn’t a perfect stat either, it suffers from sample size issues but unlike +/- it’s still a useful stat. +/- was developed as an old school motivational tool so it was deliberately slanted to make the "grinders" look better an put more pressure on star players by making them look worse than they really are. Some of the problems with +/-

+/- punishes players who play on the power play
+/- punishes players who get put on the ice when you pull the goaltender because you are down a goal
+/- rewards players for being used on the PK
+/- rewards players for being on the ice when you have a lead and the other team pulls their goaltender
On good teams +/- rewards players who get lots of ice time and punishes those who do not
On bad teams +/- punishes players who get lots of ice time and rewards players who do not.

I am fine with the argument that GF% is better than +/-. You’re right in that aspect.

But where does GF% reflect offensive: defensive zone starts and how the line is deployed against opposition lines? You think these are trivial factors?

To use that stat, and only that stat, to compare Roslovic to Wheeler is just silly.

 

[Gil Fisher]

I learned that Lowry and Copp are a nightmare to play against... never mind, I already knew that.

I wonder if they both get extensions in the summer. Wonder if 4x4 contracts would fit there.

 

[jefferoni]

@Ducky10 @Duke749 @tbcwpg @Joe Hallenback

Could one of you fine Mods unlock my Pre-GT thread so we can discuss part deux of the home-and-home...
Pre-Game Talk: - Jets & Red Wings • Home and Home • Tue, Dec 10 & Thu, Dec 12

plzthxbai

 

[lomiller1]

I am fine with the argument that GF% is better than +/-. You’re right in that aspect.

It’s not just that GF% is better. The problems with the formula means that for nearly have the teams in the league the best player on the team is almost guaranteed to have one of the worst +/-.

But where does GF% reflect offensive: defensive zone starts and how the line is deployed against opposition lines? You think these are trivial factors?

There is zone start adjusted data with GF% just like you have with CF%. For most players zone starts are close enough that it doesn't make a huge difference, but there are exceptions.

Matchups are a big deal in a single game, but they tend to even out over the season so their overall impact in the regular season isn’t very big.

The biggest problem with GF% is sample size. It’s a good description of what happened on the ice with a given player, but because there is a lot of noise it’s not the best indicators of what you can expect from a player in the future.

 

[Jet]

Trending to be the best season in Jets 2.0 history - who would have thought? Just more proof that fancy stats and their use/ interpretation has a long way to go

Wheeler is a funny player. I thought he looked absolutely awful last night - like he ran a marathon that ended at the rink and then he suited up - yet he finds a way to shoot a laser into the net and pot a goal. I've seen him be dominant and not get a point.

Pionk. What a goddamned beauty. He keeps impressing more and more.

Bitetto had a rough one. I like his physical play but he was slow to react all over the ice. I will give him credit though, he continued to battle hard and second efforts got him out of some trouble.

Sbisa's effort will probably be remembered for getting turnstiled but overall I thought he was fine.

Beaulieu is slowly getting back up to game speed, I love his gritty, physical contribution.

I think most of all, why the Jets D works is it's extremely well balanced and all the players know their role and play within it.

Poor Bro - really wanted him to get the shutout

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Ya that's my excuse for not making the NHL too .

I'm big enough to make the NHL myself. I'm a little over 6': both vertically and horizontally

 

[sipowicz]

Roslovic is a good player and is playing good , he's not picking up a tonne of points but he's part of the reason the Wheeler , Ehlers line has worked so well this season .

Who's to say Perreault in Roslo's spot wouldn't be doing the same thing, plus Frenchie has proven in his career that he can score, until Roslo develops a scoring touch he will always be thought of as bottom six!