Post-Game Talk: Jets crown a new Vezina King 4-0 loss

[voyageur]

Quick thoughts...

81-55-29 Maybe Laine's Best game of the season. Smart, hard working, great passes, and lots of shots. Scheifele was great in the O zone but nonchalant defensively. McKinnon schooled him for the 2nd goal. Connor did some good things but I didn't like his herky-jerky rush style through the neutral zone. Just go fast and pressure the edges.

27-26-28 Ehlers was off. Sluggish and poor hands. Roslovic was similar, though he perked up in the third. Wheeler played like he was carrying around a bucket of sand ready to douse any small flame. He needs to start some fires.

9-17-85 Good game by Lowry and Copp, though they Lowry was occasionally behind a step due to Avs speed. Perreault was a klutz tonight.

46-19-68 Just awful. Overmatched. Looked like a slow AHL line. Gustafsson needs more speed, Shaw isn't good enough, and Luoto has limited skill.

7-4 Kulikov was really struggling early. He lacks creativity, to put it mildly. Pionk continued his strong play.

44-3 Okay game overall, but they got beat for goals, and that can't happen this much.

88-5 Horrendous. Worst pairing since Stuart-Harrison. Niku can't be a worse defender than Sbisa, and at least he's good with the puck. If Maurice can't see how bad this pair is then he is clueless.

Hellebuyck wasn't good.

I'll admit that I did not watch this game vigilantly. I think Perreault is a poor fit for a shutdown line, he has very poor body position in the defensive zone. It's kind of a shame that Gustafsson doesn't get a look because he plays a similar game to Lowry and Copp. I think it would be a good change on the road to try Luoto-Suess (who were the better defensive duo in preseason vs. Bourque-Letestu), with Perreault. Logan Shaw hasn't shown much in his callup.

I think Poolman is a bit overmatched as a top pairing defenseman, but Nathan Mackinnon is not your average player either.

 

[Jets 31]

I agree, but if you read this thread we apparently only lost because of laine

No not even close , they lost because of Maurice . Maurice told them to shoot wide all night and not to get hurt by going to the net to screen the goalie or tip in shots .

 

[Evil Little]

HF Jets logic:

Jets win but lose the shot-share? They're the worst.
Jets lose but win the shot share? They're the worst.

Flattered to deceive. They had a lot of shots but a lot of them came when they were already down 2 against a team playing very solid team defence since they're missing 4 or 5 starters. They weren't super dangerous either. Avs were opportunistic.

You can adjust for that:

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Laine back to standing in one spot, the spot all NHL net-minders figured out two seasons ago, he’ll be lucky to score 25 goals this season!

Did you even watch the game? Laine was doing it all, but sometimes they just don't go in. He was easily the best forward on the team.

 

[Zippity]

Maybe they should have a few practices

 

[robertocarlos]

I guess I’m the only one here who thinks the Jets actually played well against a VERY good team. The Avs look like the real deal.
I think the Jets ran into a hot goaltender more than they played poorly.

Avs are very solid at D. Jets are Power Puffed.

 

[robertocarlos]

You don’t think Mackinnon gets blamed when Avs lose? The blame doesn’t fall on Barzal when Islanders lose. Laine wants to be the guy, so that means he needs to take over games. Score goals.

He needs to be traded. I hate what the Jets are doing to him.

 

[Jets 31]

Poolman is playing too high in the lineup , Boo Boo can barely skate , horrible defenseman , Niku should play ahead of Boo Boo . And i'm sorry Frenchie is not even close to playing like a 4 million dollar forward . He spends half his time lying on the ice because he's fallen and can't get up .

 

[Jets 31]

Did you even watch the game? Laine was doing it all, but sometimes they just don't go in. He was easily the best forward on the team.

Laine played good , we certainly didn't lose because of Laine . We lost because of whoever was first on the GDT , oops .

 

[Psych0dad]

Poolman is playing too high in the lineup , Boo Boo can barely skate , horrible defenseman , Niku should play ahead of Boo Boo . And i'm sorry Frenchie is not even close to playing like a 4 million dollar forward . He spends half his time lying on the ice because he's fallen and can't get up .

I would switch Perreault and Connor. Perreault works well with the 1st line, he knocks pucks loose and looks to pass. Lowry and Copp generate great offensive zone time but never score, Connor is a shoot first guy and a much better goal scorer than 17 and 9. Could possibly have 3 lines that can produce.

 

[GNP]

I don’t know Laine is supposed to be a game changer. Ehlers was also playing like an all star.

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I happen to think Laine is a good player, with a great shot sometimes, but he's overrated. If I could pick up a good forward and proven D-man for him, I would make the deal as GM. Laine does not show the speed and stick handling ability that "stars" do. With Connor and Ehlers you get speed and good stickhandling, and great shots -- but with Laine you get someone with just a great shot, and developing game. I would seriously think of trading him, and add more balance to the team by way of defenseman.

 

[Lowered Expectations]

Effing LOL. Sure, trade Laine. This place never fails

 

[Duke749]

Like the thread title. Was thinking the same thing.

The Swede got the better of the Finn tonight. Laine probably the best forward out there. And not just his shooting. Positionally was pretty good to pick off passes against the breakout. Been watching Ehlers?

Helly couldn’t bail us out tonight and we got goalied a bit. Be nice to drive the net though. Helly been a walk but when you give up those kind of chances some are bound to go in on anyone.

So Scheif can’t seem to bother with a little bit of extra effort defensively. If he’s not in position already you can outwork him and MacKinnon did that with ease on the 2nd Avs goal. The whole fishing for the puck with your stick while you stand there has gotten old and frankly is quite lazy. This is not ok from your #1 centerman.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

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I happen to think Laine is a good player, with a great shot sometimes, but he's overrated. If I could pick up a good forward and proven D-man for him, I would make the deal as GM. Laine does not show the speed and stick handling ability that "stars" do. With Connor and Ehlers you get speed and good stickhandling, and great shots -- but with Laine you get someone with just a great shot, and developing game. I would seriously think of trading him, and add more balance to the team by way of defenseman.

It doesn't matter how a player looks when his playing. Since Laine is a long player and plays with a long stick, he may appear slow to you. Now, if you compare his stickhandling to Wheeler he looks like a magician with the puck. He has also improved his positional play and uses his size to make plays that neither Connor or Ehlers are able to pull off because of their physical limitations. There is not one single "star" quality that is more important than others, except how much you impact the game overall. In that regard Laine has the highest ceiling as a game breaker. It might make sense for the Jets to trade him at some point, but only if the trade fills several other needs on key positions. Laine is the most valuable asset that the Jets org has when his next contract runs out.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

The issue is not who to blame for this loss. I think we can agree this is not a good team. They have 5 regulation wins.
This game showed the difference between having real superstar vs talented players. Laine is one of them but there are others who certainly have to show more he just happens to be the highest draft pick and can be a game changer but for whatever reason his shots are not going in on a regular basis. Evander Kane also took lots of shots but was singled out for not being a complete player. The bottom line is your stars have to be your best players more often than not to consistiently win. The Jets do not have a player playing at that level this year.

 

[King Woodballs]

Tough to win when you can’t score

 

[FFHockey]

Only 21 pages on the GDT and 4 here so far....seems very low on both counts; no?

I am not sure what to think about this team but I think what we get is: Gut a few W’s out, look like hell for a few, rinse/repeat. Hang on for a wild card or just miss out.

Hope it’s only one season of it, because this has been pretty darn painful to watch.

 

[1OApick]

Opponent was better structured team. We had our chanches but it wasn't enough.

 

[Neuf]

I'm really not a fan of dump and chase hockey. Especially against a team that's faster than us. Top line, and especially Connor, were dumping all night.

 

[tbcwpg]

HF Jets logic:

Jets win but lose the shot-share? They're the worst.
Jets lose but win the shot share? They're the worst.



You can adjust for that:

I'm often on the side defending the Jets but they never looked threatening. If those stats say different, then fine, but I don't watch the games with an xG chart handy so I didn't have it to reference.

In saying that, I don't think they were 4-0 outplayed.

 

[Jets 31]

We are gonna lose some games this season , we are 10-8-1 not great but not trade everyone and start all over bad either . I think we make the playoffs and if we get a healthy Buff back , say in January , we become a much better team . Buff in and one of our defenseman that's starting right now out , makes for a way better team .

 

[Zippity]

We are gonna lose some games this season , we are 10-8-1 not great but not trade everyone and start all over bad either . I think we make the playoffs and if we get a healthy Buff back , say in January , we become a much better team . Buff in and one of our defenseman that's starting right now out , makes for a way better team .

Buffs not coming back though

 

[Jets 31]

Buffs not coming back though

Do you know something i don't ?

 

[kanadalainen]

<<Rant time.>>
Serious question -> why oh why, after most losses, do folks call to trade Laine? God damn, just shoot me if I have to listen to this again and over and over.

IMHO this is simply not a reasonable/logical option, on a number of levels. Trade him .... why? To pick up some solid grinders? Lets run a quick thought experiment, for the sake of exploration. Trade Laine you say? OK, one mighty wart associated with this idea is that if you trade him now its certainly from a position of weakness. The past two years will show that this kind of trade will gut the team and arguably has already weakened us. Its a sad and tired refrain. Laine is a player that most teams could hardly wait to draft, and we sit around discussing his trade.

Say something helpful you say?

OK, it would be helpful if the Jets could patch the D. Fix is impossible at present, but it could surely be improved.

Zero trade options? There is one obvious step to be taken.
If we start to fix the problem, let management promote Sami Niku and put him to good use.

<<Rant off>> Sorry to be impolite, but this thread is a cast-iron bitch to read.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Big buttery soft warm welcoming area between the dots right in front of Helle. So easy to get there, or find someone open there.
We don't have anyone with talent like MacKinnon.