Friedman: Jets are not rebuilding, want NHL players back if they trade core pieces

[Guffman]

You know that Colorado can make a offer sheet with a cheaper compensation than this, right?

Offer sheets can and would be matched derp derp.

 

[Romang67]

That signals to me that they don't plan on resigning and this is their way of getting their names out there before the draft. Chevy is f***ing delusional if he thinks he can trade two top 6 C's and a franchise goalie as rentals and replace them and still be relevant.

The current brass wants this team to be in the perpetual bubble.

Luckily we have f*** all in the system to replace Hellebuyck with right now, so trading him will push us out of playoff contention no matter how much the management want us to stay relevant.

 

[nickdawg95]

Winnipeg could have such a nice turnaround.

ReTool around Connor/Ehlers and Morrissey

Schiefele 50 % would be a great return ( 1st Young top 6/ top 4 Player )

Hellebyuck would grab a 1st +

Lowry's return would surprise

Wheeler @ 50 would probably grab a 2nd / 3rd (Addition by subtraction he's toxic imo)

PLD would grab a lot as well if they can't sign him

 

[tbcwpg]

Jets management - We will trade our players!

Hf board jets fans - No!

No, it's a matter of getting decent value out of the trade. Also they said they'd be listening but I don't think they're making calls to sell them just yet.

 

[toddkaz]

No, it's a matter of getting decent value out of the trade. Also they said they'd be listening but I don't think they're making calls to sell them just yet.

Then that would make it status quo. Can't be both. They do sound like they want to make some major changes and they won't get full value. Teams wanting to change it up rarely do get full value. Not saying you will get scraps just don't see them getting 100% full value.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Offer sheets can and would be matched derp derp.

Any matched offersheet means the Jets can’t trade PLD. He walks and Jets get derp derp…

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If they won't re-sign, they have to be traded. Can't Columbus this situation. Would be a disaster.

They don't want just picks and/or prospects, they'd prefer NHL players with team control. This was known long before Friedman reported it lol.

They're not "rebuilding", because they're not planning to ship out Morrissey, Lowry, Ehlers and Connor on top. But it's basically a mini rebuild

Ship out Scheifele, Dubois, Helle and build around Morrissey, Ehlers, Connor is a rebuild - unless you do it wrong by trying to get win now players in return. Then it is just raising futility to an art.

 

[Buffdog]

That makes you bang clueless. lol

Dach was 194th in p/60 (of 600 forwards) during this past "breakout year" he had

that's pretty average

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Literally an afterthought compared to every other piece coming from the Leafs.

You think Knies and a 1st is more valuable then Sammy?

 

[tbcwpg]

Then that would make it status quo. Can't be both. They do sound like they want to make some major changes and they won't get full value. Teams wanting to change it up rarely do get full value. Not saying you will get scraps just don't see them getting 100% full value.

I think a lot of this is trying to convince Hellebuyck to stay. If you have a Vezina level goalie it's a lot easier to convince other players that you're trying to stay relevant. The Jets aren't going to be able to rebuild like a Florida or an LA or a NYR will so there's a real possibility that being a rebuilding team means Buffalo and Ottawa levels of futility here. Buffalo are just looking good now and they've been out of the playoffs for 11 years. Rebuilds that go quickly are in markets that not only draft a bunch of young talent but can attract missing pieces via FA to accentuate things. Winnipeg wouldn't get, for example, a Phillip Danault to come here to bolster the C depth.

I agree they likely won't get full, fair value but a lot of these offers are from smug Habs fans saying take our scraps or leave it. I also see Jokiharju come up from Buffalo but on their board they can't seem to wait to get rid of him so how good of a trade piece is he really? The Jets would be his 3rd team and he's only 24.

An offer like Newhook and a 1st for PLD or Scheifele is a lot like Pionk and a 1st for Trouba - a younger player with NHL experience and a later 1st for a player on his way out. People keep mentioning a year left on the deal but precedent with the Jets shows that they will try to accommodate a player going to a market where he will extend. I don't think newhook and a 1st is 100% value but it's better than the "Dvorak and a 2nd" stuff we are saying no to and I think even if it is a 1 year rental situation that's likely too light.

You think Knies and a 1st is more valuable then Sammy?

100%. Add Nylander as well and you could send the zamboni driver over to play goal if you want.

 

[CTHabsfan]

TO WIN:
- Tavares
- Robertson
- Samsonov

TO TOR:
- Scheifele
- Helle

John Tavares achieves his childhood dream to play for the Toronto Maple Leafs, signing a contract which includes a NMC, but is willing to waive so he can be traded to Winnipeg? Sorry, I don't see that happening.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Dach was 194th in p/60 (of 600 forwards) during this past "breakout year" he had

that's pretty average

Dach after completing D+3 seasons was tied for 66th in PPG among all C's. That puts him very close to 2C already.

When PLD completed his D+4 season he amassed 21 pts in 46 games. Not sure how that ranked but i am sure you could look it up!

Dach has a lot of development and production to go. Happy with his progress.

 

[Buffdog]

Dach was tied for 66th in PPG among all C's. That puts him very close to 2C already.

Being right between 2C and 3C level is the definition of "average". It can't get any more average than that lol.

Half the centres were above him. Half below. That's average. Thanks for making my point

 

[Daximus]

Any matched offersheet means the Jets can’t trade PLD. He walks and Jets get derp derp…

Why would PLD accept a below market value 1 year offersheet? His agent would balk at that in a second.

 

[Wayfarer13]

Or my favorite scenario, if PLD truly wants to play for the Habs :

1- Sign an offer sheet. A 1 year contract at $4,2M.
2- Jets can easily match, but then they cannot trade him during the whole year and lose him for nothing at the end of the season. So they are basically forced to let him go and take the compensation (2nd round pick).
3- PLD then signs an 8 years extension with the Habs at $8M per year.

But knowing this is about to unfold, the Habs can probably force a trade with the Jets at a very cheap price. Something like Christian Dvorak + Jayden Struble + 2nd round pick.

If Caufeild signs for less than Suzuki as rumoured then PLD will have to sign for less than 8 million if he wants to play MTL

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Being right between 2C and 3C level is the definition of "average". It can't get any more average than that lol.

Half the centres were above him. Half below. That's average. Thanks for making my point

You are assuming Dach is in his final form and will remain average which is really really idiotic. Using that logic, when PLD produced 21pts in 46 games, people could just assume that his below average production is the norm. Dach has tons of potential to fullfil and is only 22.

Dach showed significant progression throughout the season. Habs are very happy with his progress and his contract. He will be given the reigns at 2C next season and his progression will continue. Why is that a struggle for you to understand?

 

[tbcwpg]

I wouldn't say wussy ass. More like desperate small-market mentality.

I can kind of get it. HF fans say they'll support a rebuild but the seats were full this season when the games mattered. I'm convinced that a rebuild might get a rubber stamp approval from the fans but ask them to buy tickets to watch some 20 year olds lose 5-2 to Philadelphia in mid January and they'd be making themselves scarce quickly.

The whole TNSE model is developing the real estate around the arena and using the team to bring people to their businesses around the rink. Losing teams, no matter how bright the future is, don't bring those people. Middling wild card teams usually don't either but at least you have the carrot of playoff revenue for 2 or 4 games in a season.

 

[Wayfarer13]

Why would PLD accept a below market value 1 year offersheet? His agent would balk at that in a second.

How bad does he want to get out of the Peg?

 

[MardyBum]

Dach after completing D+3 seasons was tied for 66th in PPG among all C's. That puts him very close to 2C already.

When PLD completed his D+4 season he amassed 21 pts in 46 games. Not sure how that ranked but i am sure you could look it up!

Dach has a lot of development and production to go. Happy with his progress.

Ummmm.

Try that again.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I can kind of get it. HF fans say they'll support a rebuild but the seats were full this season when the games mattered. I'm convinced that a rebuild might get a rubber stamp approval from the fans but ask them to buy tickets to watch some 20 year olds lose 5-2 to Philadelphia in mid January and they'd be making themselves scarce quickly.

The whole TNSE model is developing the real estate around the arena and using the team to bring people to their businesses around the rink. Losing teams, no matter how bright the future is, don't bring those people. Middling wild card teams usually don't either but at least you have the carrot of playoff revenue for 2 or 4 games in a season.

TNSE is in a bit of a bind. If the Jets could re-sign their soon to be UFA's they would. How to you make those UFAs and other high-valued UFAs sign with Winnipeg?

Ummmm.

Try that again.

1. Habs 5OA pick may turn out to be a coveted C in Will Smith / Carlsson.
2. Dach showed significant development offensively and at C last season.

If Habs draft one of the bluechip C's, then it is very unlikely they would have an immediate interest in PLD and would likely opt to wait and see if he becomes a UFA and evaluate if its worth signing him after determining what his price/salary would be. PLD in that scenario would be signed as a winger. Waiting a year also gives the Habs more time to evaluate Dach who has earned the 2C role in Montreal based on his breakthrough season and this time around will have wingers to play with (assuming injuries do not decimate the Habs like last season).

There is very little reason for the Habs to trade Dach now when he showed promise and is on a very team friendly contract (3 more years at 3.3 AAV). That contract alone boosts Dach's value to the Habs.

There is little reason for the Jets to trade PLD to Montreal for a substandard return like Fla 1st + Dvorak + Prospect(s) when they should be able to get more for PLD elsewhere even as a 1 year rental. Even including Mesar/Beck shouldn't move the needle for Winnipeg (nor for the Habs who can patiently wait and see what happens with PLD).

 

[ZDH]

How do the higher upside still have jobs in Winnipeg?

Blow it up already guys. Get it over with.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Genuinely surprised some are surprised by this report, based on many of the comments and interviews on bag day and season wrap up interviews it was pretty clear the team wasn’t rebuilding…….I mean did people ignore those interviews?

Few comments from me:

- Clearly restructuring was the first choice post season so no one should be surprised here.

- While restructuring is the desire, it will still depend on returns offered, if the best they get is the old 3rd line cap dump and dime a dozen prospect for guys restructuring is out no matter what the team thinks or wants.

- Big part of the Friedman quote was not included, he also said he fully expects futures to be included in the returns. So the roster player might be the minor piece and the futures is the major piece. TBD in the end

- Jets will be targeting under used younger players or guys buried on deep teams as a return and give them much bigger roles on the Jets hoping to find that gem.

- While most Jets fans would have preferred a full rebuild I suspect, this might turn out ok still depending how Chevy does. Jets have drafted well in the macro, they’ve never rebuilt since returning to the Peg and have done decently developing guys.

The variations on the concepts of rebuilds that people insist on around here is getting to be hilarious. 'Its not a rebuild, it is a retool.' 'It is not a rebuild, it is a mini-rebuild.' Etc, etc.

Whether it is done with futures, roster players, win now players, prospects, etc, it is a rebuild when you move out both of your top 6 centres plus your franchise goalie. That may or may not include the sale of other players. It is still a rebuild.

Jets are rebuilding, whether they want to call it that or not. The only question is, will they do it well or not?

 

[MardyBum]

How bad does he want to get out of the Peg?

The Jets aren't going to keep him as a rental, so if he wants out of Winnipeg, signing a cheap offer-sheet the Jets would be forced to match would be the dumbest f***ing thing imaginable.

TNSE is in a bit of a bind. If the Jets could re-sign their soon to be UFA's they would. How to you make those UFAs and other high-valued UFAs sign with Winnipeg?




1. Habs 5OA pick may turn out to be a coveted C in Will Smith / Carlsson.
2. Dach showed significant development offensively and at C last season.

If Habs draft one of the bluechip C's, then it is very unlikely they would have an immediate interest in PLD and would likely opt to wait and see if he becomes a UFA and evaluate if its worth signing him after determining what his price/salary would be. PLD in that scenario would be signed as a winger. Waiting a year also gives the Habs more time to evaluate Dach who has earned the 2C role in Montreal based on his breakthrough season and this time around will have wingers to play with (assuming injuries do not decimate the Habs like last season).

There is very little reason for the Habs to trade Dach now when he showed promise and is on a very team friendly contract (3 more years at 3.3 AAV). That contract alone boosts Dach's value to the Habs.

There is little reason for the Jets to trade PLD to Montreal for a substandard return like Fla 1st + Dvorak + Prospect(s) when they should be able to get more for PLD elsewhere even as a 1 year rental. Even including Mesar/Beck shouldn't move the needle for Winnipeg (nor for the Habs who can patiently wait and see what happens with PLD).

And all of this has to do with PLD's post draft seasons, how?

 

[TS Quint]

Then that would make it status quo. Can't be both. They do sound like they want to make some major changes and they won't get full value. Teams wanting to change it up rarely do get full value. Not saying you will get scraps just don't see them getting 100% full value.

LMAO, why do the Jets need to get ripped off but every other team doesn't?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Why would PLD accept a below market value 1 year offersheet? His agent would balk at that in a second.

I didn't advocate that he would do that. Just pointing out that if the Jets match, they can't trade him.

As for PLD signing an offersheet for less, that would be only to stick it to the Jets IMO if negotiations get tenuous.l