Friedman: Jets are not rebuilding, want NHL players back if they trade core pieces

[JeffreyLFC]

How bout Jets just trade him elsewhere... Colorado for newhook and 1st is better than that crap

Go ahead then. you recommended this yourself, I am just offering you what you mentioned.

BTW Colorado 1st should be very late, and newhook is bang average but if that is your prefered deal go with it, I won't blame you.

 

[TS Quint]

Well Samsonov is in the deal….

Literally an afterthought compared to every other piece coming from the Leafs.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

How bout Jets just trade him elsewhere... Colorado for newhook and 1st is better than that crap

I think you need to look deeper into the failed prospect/player that has become Newhook. If Newhook had any potential to be a 2C, the Avs would be holding onto him. He's been a complete disappointment. When they traded for Eller, Newhook was demoted.

Last 1st + Newhook = Late 1st + early/mid-2nd round pick.

Which is what i think the value for 1 year of PLD is.

 

[MardyBum]

Go ahead then.
Colorado 1st should be very late, and newhook is bang average but if that is your prefered deal go with it.

The Florida 1st is as late as it gets, and Dach is bang average as well

 

[Junohockeyfan]

The Florida 1st is as late as it gets, and Dach is bang average as well

That makes you bang clueless. lol

 

[Canadienna]

How bout Jets just trade him elsewhere... Colorado for newhook and 1st is better than that crap

Would Colorado do this for him unsigned? If he's willing to sign there then I could see it. Otherwise that would be a very expensive rental.

So much of his prospective deadline price depends on his willingness to commit to the team he's moved to.

Edit: Not to mention that if he's signed for a year and planned to move at the TDL, there is a non negligible risk that he gets hurt and the Jets are forced to let him walk.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

The Florida 1st is as late as it gets, and Dach is bang average as well

who mentioned florida 1st? well Dach might be average to you but he is the building block for the future of the Habs.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Almost seems like they are peddling hope instead of reality. The issues with the core require shuffling out and if some of that is for unproven, then so be it.

Rebuilding would be peddling hope.
This would be peddling despair. Good luck with that.

 

[Whileee]

They won’t be getting a single dime from me for a long time if they don’t.

This org loves perpetual mediocrity. Not good enough to compete for a Cup, not terrible enough to compete for the lottery.

So, are you saying that you'll buy more tickets to watch the Jets in the next few years if they are really terrible and lose most games, while their top draft picks and prospects are playing in junior and other leagues?

As a ST holder I don't mind a youth movement for a few years, but I'm not enthusiastic about watching the last decade of the Sens and Sabres (before they started to get a bit better last year). I doubt most fans will sustain interest through several years of dog days, and the Jets can't sell tickets to the entry drafts. Besides, if the Jets become a cellar-dweller, the franchise will become more toxic for its own young players, who will want to flee in droves.

 

[belair]

Habs can offer you 1st, 2nd and 5th with Filip Mesar if you prefer.
You can play the magic bean game instead.

Dvorak or Anderson, value differs obviously, plus Owen Beck and a pick.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Trade Helleybuck to Buffalo as I believe they have the young NHL players suited for Winnipeg.

Then the Jets sign Aiden Hill.

 

[malcb33]

If Newhook had any potential to be a 2C, the Avs would be holding onto him. He's been a complete disappointment.

While I mostly agree with your overall assessment of the PLD trade to Montreal, I don’t agree with this statement on Newhook.

He still holds a fair bit of potential and the reason he could be up for grabs, is that the Avs are in win now mode, and Newhook isn’t ready for the 2C role yet.

To say a 22yo has no potential to grow as a player is quite disingenuous IMO.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

While I mostly agree with your overall assessment of the PLD trade to Montreal, I don’t agree with this statement on Newhook.

He still holds a fair bit of potential and the reason he could be up for grabs, is that the Avs are in win now mode, and Newhook isn’t ready for the 2C role yet.

To say a 22yo has no potential to grow as a player is quite disingenuous IMO.

Personally I don't think Newhook has much of a future as a Center. Could be wrong, but I don't think his skating is quite good enough to be effective at Center in the NHL at his size.


But I do think he still has a lot of upside to be a pretty good 2nd line winger. The type that can score ~25-30 Goals and ~60-70 points in today's scoring landscape.


For the Avs, I think if they could find a way to get the 2C we need without moving Newhook, he would end up playing 2nd line winger for us this year and likely breaks out in that role with a proper Center with him. But I think he's likely dangled as trade bait instead as the Avs are in win now mode and need to get sure things into the roster.

 

[CaptainUgly]

Local radio show here mentioned the Kings as a potential trading partner. Potentially Hellebuyck for Byfield

 

[MXD]

How bout Jets just trade him elsewhere... Colorado for newhook and 1st is better than that crap

You know that Colorado can make a offer sheet with a cheaper compensation than this, right?

 

[MNRube]

Maybe around Spurgeon for Scheifele. Foligno, Addison also can be thrown in.

Rare to see rivals trade but Scheifele would be great fit with JEE up the middle

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Newhook + Pick #27 from Colorado for one of Scheifele/Dubois at the draft feels like a trade that makes a lot of sense for both sides, at least as the baseline of a deal. Perhaps a piece or two added from either side to balance things out more depending on which player it is the Avs end up getting.

Newhook is a young NHL player and a Center which no doubt is something the Jets are gonna be looking for if they trade one or both of the Top 6 centers they currently have.

This offer is likely still the frontrunner for Jets fans too, unless some GM goes nuts at the draft and trades the farm. We have Perfetti who can likely do 2C, plus Lucius & McGroarty in the pipeline. It might be a rough couple of years until everyone is ready to go, but it's a good young core to build around.

That still looks a little light to me, for either Dubois or Scheifele. Newhook is not knocking it out of the park in D+4 and 27 is a very late 1st. But it is not out of the ballpark crazy bad either.

 

[Daximus]

Just a reminder that the NYR were well ahead in their rebuild and had a stark need for Trouba.

Why are the Habs setting themselves up for disappointment? You are framing this as if PLD is a must-have player for the Habs. When he's not.

If Dubois was a must-have 2C then they would have given up the farm for him last trade deadline. Instead they gambled on Dach and that's paying off.

This is all so familiar. Exact same conversations we were having prior to the Trouba trade. Its like Deja Vu.

 

[ZDH]

TO WIN:
- Tavares
- Robertson
- Samsonov

TO TOR:
- Scheifele
- Helle

More like TO LOSE:

Amirite?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That's the wrong direction for them but I guess the finances of a rebuilding Winnipeg team is not a good look either.

Neither are the finances of a floundering Winnipeg team.

 

[MXD]

This is all so familiar. Exact same conversations we were having prior to the Trouba trade. Its like Deja Vu.

You guys where claiming the Rangers were ahead of where the Rangers were?

 

[Flair Hay]

Jets are in such a weird spot. They could really use a top pair D, but they basically can't do it without pushing a $6M dman to the press box.

They want NHL players back, but they went down the road of swapping problem children with Columbus and look where that has got them.

Chevy's M.O. has always been getting a lineup replacement back and draft capital back. Despite all the noise, I'm not sure there is any appetite to bring in a star someone else is moving (Nylander for eg) that we will have to overpay to even have a chance of re-signing.

The Newhook and 1st one makes a lot of sense as a base. Those struggling former top picks are exactly the type of players the Jets should be targeting.

My guess is Dubois is moved and they hang on to Scheifele and Hellebuyck and try to re-sign both. They can always move them at the deadline if the right offer doesn't come up in the summer.

As much as fans and pundits think the culture change is mandatory...and they may be right... the Jets have never given away good players even if they are a distraction.

As long as Pionk and Schmidt are making twice what they should be and blocking prospects the Jets are trying to improve the defense with one hand tied behind their back.

 

[Guffman]

Well Samsonov is in the deal….

You’re not being clever with this shtick.

 

[toddkaz]

Jets management - We will trade our players!

Hf board jets fans - No!

 

[John Mandalorian]

I also suggested this for Lindholm but for a signed PLD, the Avs should be willing to offer 2 of Alex Newhook, the 2023 1st, and the 2024 1st (top 10 protected) and also one of Sam Girard or Sean Behrens.