Post-Game Talk: Jets 5 - Mustard Kittens 2

[SensibleGuy]

great to see Helly get #300. Guys having a really impressive career. Let's top it off with a Cup!

 

[AlphaLackey]

I'm beginning to think that the 2 man advantage can be a bit of a curse. It places a lot more pressure on the 5 team and they get so hyped up that they miss passes, flub shots, and don't execute the way they normally can.

Contrast the Kitties effort last night with the deadly efficiency of our PP.

If it's a curse, it's a curse of higher expectations. A good poker analogy is how some people genuinely think jack-ten suited is a better starting hand than pocket aces, because when you lose with jack-ten suited (when you fail to make a pair or even pick up a draw on the flop), it's not like you were "expecting" to win with that, but when you lose with aces, a hand you're "expecting" to win with, it amplifies the negative.

So yeah, when you fail to score up two men, it can lead you to believe it's "worse" because of the greater disappointment.

See which, "two goal leads are more dangerous than one goal leads".

 

[Optimistic Cynic]

Actually, Stanley's hockey sense is pretty good. I

Yes, he makes mistakes, like all our players. His biggest weakness is his agility through his pivots, and that gets him into trouble on rush plays sometimes. He doesn't have great top end speed

People just don't have the patience to look at Stans game as a whole, and actually try to judge it objectively. .

He makes mistakes, agreed, like all our players, but he makes a lot more of them than his teammates. And of course, being a d-man, his mistakes end up in our net.

As for judging him objectively, well, they don't call us fanatics for nothing. I look at Stan's game and think he doesn't belong in the NHL. You look and see something different, then label people who don't have your conclusions as impatient. I don't think any of us are being objective.

 

[Buffdog]

He makes mistakes, agreed, like all our players, but he makes a lot more of them than his teammates. And of course, being a d-man, his mistakes end up in our net.

As for judging him objectively, well, they don't call us fanatics for nothing. I look at Stan's game and think he doesn't belong in the NHL. You look and see something different, then label people who don't have your conclusions as impatient. I don't think any of us are being objective.

The first bolded is subjective. We can disagree on what we see

The way to objectively look at a player would be looking at stats... he's sandwiched between JoMo and Demelo for GF% and is middle of the pack for xGF% for Jets D... so the numbers don't match your eye test. Maybe you're biased against him?

 

[Jets 31]

Funny one from Nashville's sad 3 page GDT, when they finished the 2 man PP . This team couldn't score in a brothel with a trust fund at their disposal.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Regressing to his norm in one period?

Jesus.

Why bother arguing with 95% of the forum. I imagine Arniel is happy with Stan’s play overall, not this game, but, this season, and will keep running him and Fleury alternating the 2.
May as well see all this anti Stan stuff as one big joke, anyway that’s my new position on it.
Hopefully we can stop making conversation so repetitive in here and can discuss other elements in here other than Stan.

Was at the game last night. Fun night, crowd was into it. Terrible call on Connor in the 3rd could have changed the outcome glad they killed it off

2nd line was out too lunch all game. All 3 guys look off kilter with each other. Easy passes and reads were missed all night. They need to get it together.

Stanley had his worst game in a while. Didn't handle the pressure as well as he has been, looked out of sorts early and it carried on all game. Yes it was a penalty but that f***er was driving the hit hard on Helly when he was going to freeze it and had been doing shit like that all night, hope you like your new teeth. As for Stanley, it was one game when he has been putting together a string of solid games so lets see how he rebounds on Friday

Heinola on the other hand had his best game this year. He handled the Preds forecheck and made a lot of quality passes and stepped into the play nicely. Hopefully he can carry this going forward.

Nice Heinola finally got a point. Hope it helps him build confidence.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Why bother arguing with 95% of the forum. I imagine Arniel is happy with Stan’s play overall, not this game, but, this season, and will keep running him and Fleury alternating the 2.
May as well see all this anti Stan stuff as one big joke, anyway that’s my new position on it.
Hopefully we can stop making conversation so repetitive in here and can discuss other elements in here other than Stan.


Nice Heinola finally got a point. Hope it helps him build confidence.

First point this year…..

 

[sipowicz]

Well deserved fan and forum recognition for Helly and 300 wins, very impressive!

Another 85% team win, D (minus Stan) G, Lines 1,3,4

2nd line was apparently dressed

 

[Cnile]

Well deserved fan and forum recognition for Helly and 300 wins, very impressive!

Another 85% team win, D (minus Stan) G, Lines 1,3,4

2nd line was apparently dressed

Stanley is here to stay.
I really hope he can become reliable.
Because I’m a Jets fan I want him to succeed.

 

[voyageur]

Is it true that Pionk played most of last year with a broken foot?

Two seasons ago. And since it was stated it was in Dallas it would either be game #2 or #19 of the season, so for much of the year indeed.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Funny one from Nashville's sad 3 page GDT, when they finished the 2 man PP . This team couldn't score in a brothel with a trust fund at their disposal.

".. in a woman's prison with a fistful of pardons" is the version I remember

BTW to follow up on the 5v3 "curse", I just had to ring up the numbers, and the difference is actually massive.

Since 2009-10, a 5v3 is over 3x as efficient (1 goal per 2.95 minutes) than 5v4 (1 goal per 9.02 minutes). Interesting is that 4v3 is about 2x as efficient (1 goal per 4.55 minutes). Which stands to reason. 1 man advantage gets bigger as the total number of players gets lower -- just think how nuts a 1 v 0 2 minute power play would be!

(sheet if anyone is interested)

 

[Howard Chuck]

Apart from the Connor penalty the refs didn't make any wrong calls.

There was a terrible high stick from being tripped and a phantom hooking as well.

 

[Adam da bomb]

First point this year…..

Yep really weird goal. Heinola didn’t even get it to him cleanly. Schief beat a guy for a 50/50 pick and did the heavy lifting.

 

[Jet]

He makes mistakes, agreed, like all our players, but he makes a lot more of them than his teammates. And of course, being a d-man, his mistakes end up in our net.

As for judging him objectively, well, they don't call us fanatics for nothing. I look at Stan's game and think he doesn't belong in the NHL. You look and see something different, then label people who don't have your conclusions as impatient. I don't think any of us are being objective.

I disagree.

I criticize Stanley in the most unbiased way I can. There was a point earlier this season when I was ready to launch him to the moon.

Whatever, it's like politics. People get dug in and they close their mind to the possibility that something has changed, or do not want to see anything that is converse to their point of view.

I will continue to support Stanley as long as he is a Jet, hope he plays well, criticize him when he deserves it and give him praise when he's earned it.

None of us make roster decisions, so why not support our players?

Why bother arguing with 95% of the forum. I imagine Arniel is happy with Stan’s play overall, not this game, but, this season, and will keep running him and Fleury alternating the 2.
May as well see all this anti Stan stuff as one big joke, anyway that’s my new position on it.
Hopefully we can stop making conversation so repetitive in here and can discuss other elements in here other than Stan.


Nice Heinola finally got a point. Hope it helps him build confidence.

Sure, I'll just shut up about it, I guess.
It just irritates me when people say things that are objectively false.

The first bolded is subjective. We can disagree on what we see

The way to objectively look at a player would be looking at stats... he's sandwiched between JoMo and Demelo for GF% and is middle of the pack for xGF% for Jets D... so the numbers don't match your eye test. Maybe you're biased against him?

Stats are only useful when they support your argument

 

[Buffdog]

Stats are only useful when they support your argument

The biggest statsnerds ALWAYS find a way to twist things so that the stats support their argument lol

To truly love analytics you need PhDs in cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias

Just to show my objectivity, Stanley has been terrible on the PK this season (which matches eye test):

PK GA/60:
Stanley 13.5
Demelo 8.5
Miller 8.2
Pionk 8.1
Fleury 6.5
JoMo 5.9
Snerg 5.7

 

[Adam da bomb]

I disagree.

I criticize Stanley in the most unbiased way I can. There was a point earlier this season when I was ready to launch him to the moon.

Whatever, it's like politics. People get dug in and they close their mind to the possibility that something has changed, or do not want to see anything that is converse to their point of view.

I will continue to support Stanley as long as he is a Jet, hope he plays well, criticize him when he deserves it and give him praise when he's earned it.

None of us make roster decisions, so why not support our players?


Sure, I'll just shut up about it, I guess.
It just irritates me when people say things that are objectively false.


Stats are only useful when they support your argument

I agree with you about Stan. You are also able to couch all he arguments better,you and @Buffdog. I just find it funny this much discussion over a bottom 6 contest. I have just found , personally , arguing against things that are patently false frustrating. It’s not even a discussion anymore, maybe, I’m just as bad.

 

[DRW204]

Man Perfetti has been... really bad. Hoping it's a confidence thing.

Heinola on the other hand looked pretty good, but is also clearly suffering from a confidence issue. He should've lasered home that one opportunity he got in the slot.

i think last year's hot start may have augmented people's expectations about him to much. the trend for the past 2 seasons has been as the first 2/4-3/4s of the season progresses. jan 2025 is only 3 gp so far, not expecting him to be scoreless the entire month. & also April 2024 was 5gp 5 pts in 58 mins

 

[Gm0ney]

Actually, Stanley's hockey sense is pretty good. If you watch his game instead of just waiting to jump on mistakes, you'll see he makes alot of very good decisions with the puck. His exit passes are probably the best of our bottom pair crew of 5. Consistently better than Heinola, and that's supposed to be his strength.

He's also shown a strong ability to get the puck through on his shots, and some offensive acumen rushing and passing in the offensive zone.

Yes, he makes mistakes, like all our players. His biggest weakness is his agility through his pivots, and that gets him into trouble on rush plays sometimes. He doesn't have great top end speed but I don't see that being a problem. His biggest area of opportunity is adjusting his timing to account for these deficiencies.

People just don't have the patience to look at Stans game as a whole, and actually try to judge it objectively. Not does anyone want to acknowledge that he might actually be getting better because it goes against their belief that he's just bad.

It's fascinating.

I like him in the offensive zone for sure. 100 or so games ago he'd just autofire the puck from the point but he's picking his spots/shots/pinches a lot better now.

I think he's obviously coachable and a good guy in the room.

He's shown some breakout pass touch, but that seems to have come on in the last few weeks. I don't know if they've given him the green light to do more or if it's just confidence or what, but I wouldn't say his breakouts were very good before that.

His d-zone play is borderline at best. He's often immobile just parked in the low slot. That's 100% his job on the PK, but he does it sometimes at 5v5 too. You can't teach size - but you can't teach quickness and agility either, and he gets burned ugly a little too often for comfort.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Man Perfetti has been... really bad. Hoping it's a confidence thing.

Heinola on the other hand looked pretty good, but is also clearly suffering from a confidence issue. He should've lasered home that one opportunity he got in the slot.

Heinola got multiple opportunities. He was often in the right place at the right time, but his shot looked like a muffin.

The whole line had a rough night , need to get that line scoring more. And Stanley last night......

Yep, but, at what point do we expect 6 million players to play like 6 million dollar players and expect 3< players to play like less than <3 million players. For me expectations are different.

 

[Buffdog]

I like him in the offensive zone for sure. 100 or so games ago he'd just autofire the puck from the point but he's picking his spots/shots/pinches a lot better now.

I think he's obviously coachable and a good guy in the room.

He's shown some breakout pass touch, but that seems to have come on in the last few weeks. I don't know if they've given him the green light to do more or if it's just confidence or what, but I wouldn't say his breakouts were very good before that.

His d-zone play is borderline at best. He's often immobile just parked in the low slot. That's 100% his job on the PK, but he does it sometimes at 5v5 too. You can't teach size - but you can't teach quickness and agility either, and he gets burned ugly a little too often for comfort.

This nails it for me

The irony is that he's improving and almost excelling in things that are supposed to be Heinola's stregths, and he's weak where Heinola is supposed to be weak

Its like he's turning into a 6'7 Ville lol. Never saw that coming

 

[Jet]

I agree with you about Stan. You are also able to couch all he arguments better,you and @Buffdog. I just find it funny this much discussion over a bottom 6 contest. I have just found , personally , arguing against things that are patently false frustrating. It’s not even a discussion anymore, maybe, I’m just as bad.

No, you're absolutely right. I just need to accept that there's a segment of fans that don't like Stanley and won't give him any credit, ever.

It's funny because if you go on any of the other 31 forums, they're bashing their bottom 2 or three D as well

It's almost like people expect every player to be an elite player in the league.

I like him in the offensive zone for sure. 100 or so games ago he'd just autofire the puck from the point but he's picking his spots/shots/pinches a lot better now.

I think he's obviously coachable and a good guy in the room.

He's shown some breakout pass touch, but that seems to have come on in the last few weeks. I don't know if they've given him the green light to do more or if it's just confidence or what, but I wouldn't say his breakouts were very good before that.

His d-zone play is borderline at best. He's often immobile just parked in the low slot. That's 100% his job on the PK, but he does it sometimes at 5v5 too. You can't teach size - but you can't teach quickness and agility either, and he gets burned ugly a little too often for comfort.

That's a very fair assessment. I've said that his biggest weakness is agility - if he could just get better at pivots and anticipate a bit more I think he could become adequate at it.

Yep, but, at what point do we expect 6 million players to play like 6 million dollar players and expect 3< players to play like less than <3 million players. For me expectations are different.

They should be

 

[Adam da bomb]

If nothing useful is going to come from the discussion as everyone is entrenched in positions I’d rather non-hockey stories like @Stumbledore and @GeorgeJETson as those were at least entertaining.

 

[10Ducky10]

Regressing to his norm in one period?

Jesus.

Yup.
Regessing not regressed.
He will get there though, I have no doubt.

 

[Jet]

Yup.
Regessing not regressed.
He will get there though, I have no doubt.

Shit, give me your crystal ball - I want to win the Florida MegaMillions

 

[10Ducky10]

Shit, give me your crystal ball - I want to win the Florida MegaMillions

Sorry you can't see what a poor D man he is. Most everyone else can.
He blongs in the minors
He had a couple of good games out of how many?
He was shit yesterday. Did you see the 4 minute minor he took? For no good reason?