Rumor: Jesse Puljujarvi Part 3: Maybe He Picked Out His Brain Through His Nose One Lick at a Time?

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I wonder if the Oil even interviewed him at all. By all accounts, Oilers hardly scouted the guy anyway and were dead set on Sergachev till CBJ picked PLD.

Still dont get how Chia didn't know how to pronounce his name both at the draft and years later.

My understanding is the Oilers did not do much if at all prescout on him and not sure they even interviewed him. Either way the intel we had on him was beyond weak. We went on conventional wisdom and others assumptions.

I still maintain that when a Finnish GM and a Finnish pro scout pass on a Finnish "cant miss" prospect the Oilers needed to have a contrarian sitting at the table and ask: Why?, when everyone else was ready to sprint to the podium. If anything just to have a conversation about the player.

Scout - "Hey Peter and Craig, maybe we should compare our notes on Sergachev and Puljujarvi before we make the pick"
Chia - "We dont have any notes on Pull-ju-jarvey to compare"
Scout - "Exactly. Why is Kekalainen passing on him? We have 5 minutes before we go to the podium. Maybe we should discuss this and stick with our selection?"
Chia - "Nope. Trust me. This will turn out exactly like the Reinhart trade. We good!"

 

[frag2]

I agree that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying no wonder he wants a trade because he clearly alienated most people here.

That one part in Leavins article

“No, he knows way more that he lets on”.
That same person (who shall remain anonymous) was then asked, “So what’s the problem with Jesse, really”?
The answer, shrugged back, was once again: “He’s just stubborn”.

So was JP just being a dick then and purposely playing stupid? I mean, I know I'd get pissed at a coworker if he knew how to do his job but purposely dogged it.

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

Woof.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Looks like a few ppl on here owe Todd McLellan some huge apologies. Yikes

 

[I am the Liquor]

Do you even watch the games and watch him play?

You must be new here.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Looks like a few ppl on here owe Todd McLellan some huge apologies. Yikes

Yep. Also on the Pakarainen thing as well.

 

[McBooya42]

I wonder if the Oil even interviewed him at all. By all accounts, Oilers hardly scouted the guy anyway and were dead set on Sergachev till CBJ picked PLD.

Still dont get how Chia didn't know how to pronounce his name both at the draft and years later.

They didn't, no. They didnt expect him to fall to them so didn't even bother.

 

[frag2]

They didn't, no. They didnt expect him to fall to them so didn't even bother.

Quality GM'ing by Chia. Then again, he didn't even live in Edmonton after 1 year...

 

[Mr Positive]

I agree that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying no wonder he wants a trade because he clearly alienated most people here.

That would turn on a dime. All he'd have to do is show up with a good attitude and he'd be loved

 

[oobga]

Looks like a few ppl on here owe Todd McLellan some huge apologies. Yikes

Definitely true. With how bad Hitch did with this group, and stuff like this. My batting average trying to blame coaches for stuff has been pretty low since we fired Eakins (seriously though, Lucic and Letestu glued to a last place PP for 50 games?? lol).

Can't help but feel betrayed by Pulju. So much effort put in trying to defend him. It's like a slap in the face

 

[Zguy370]

Serious question guys. Is there any possibility that if we still own his rights come Sept., and he comes to TC with a completely different attitude and impresses, that he can still be an Oiler long term if he chooses to. I mean this has to be a wake up call for him.

 

[RandomGuy79]

Serious question guys. Is there any possibility that if we still own his rights come Sept., and he comes to TC with a completely different attitude and impresses, that he can still be an Oiler long term if he chooses to. I mean this has to be a wake up call for him.

You have a better chance at winning the lottery.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Serious question guys. Is there any possibility that if we still own his rights come Sept., and he comes to TC with a completely different attitude and impresses, that he can still be an Oiler long term if he chooses to. I mean this has to be a wake up call for him.

Nope. He's done. It will be a Drouin situation. If and once he gets his trade value up...he's toast

IMO

 

[Spawn]

My understanding is the Oilers did not do much if at all prescout on him and not sure they even interviewed him. Either way the intel we had on him was beyond weak. We went on conventional wisdom and others assumptions.

I still maintain that when a Finnish GM and a Finnish pro scout pass on a Finnish "cant miss" prospect the Oilers needed to have a contrarian sitting at the table and ask: Why?, when everyone else was ready to sprint to the podium. If anything just to have a conversation about the player.

Scout - "Hey Peter and Craig, maybe we should compare our notes on Sergachev and Puljujarvi before we make the pick"
Chia - "We dont have any notes on Pull-ju-jarvey to compare"
Scout - "Exactly. Why is Kekalainen passing on him? We have 5 minutes before we go to the podium. Maybe we should discuss this and stick with our selection?"
Chia - "Nope. Trust me. This will turn out exactly like the Reinhart trade. We good!"

This line of thinking has never made much sense to me.

The year Puljujarvi had been drafted, the Oilers were in a position to be drafting one of him, Matthews or Laine for the entire season and his season ended before the draft lottery slid us out of the top 3. Before the draft lottery they were poised to select 2nd overall that season. If not him, than who the hell would they have been scouting?

 

[Oilslick941611]

I think he doesn’t want to put in the work with an organization that he feels has failed him for three years. But it is very possible, if not likely, that he fails just as hard with a new team if he gets traded.

Guy's a bum, I don't say that lightly, I don't like to put player down, but guy's been given SO MANY chances, 3 different coaches trying to reach. Problem is him. flat out. blame the organization all you want, but you know you are wrong here. its all on Puljujarvi.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

This line of thinking has never made much sense to me.

The year Puljujarvi had been drafted, the Oilers were in a position to be drafting one of him, Matthews or Laine for the entire season and his season ended before the draft lottery slid us out of the top 3. Before the draft lottery they were poised to select 2nd overall that season. If not him, than who the hell would they have been scouting?

The lesser lights and apparently made assumptions that Mathews Laine and PJ we’re sure things.

 

[Mr Positive]

Serious question guys. Is there any possibility that if we still own his rights come Sept., and he comes to TC with a completely different attitude and impresses, that he can still be an Oiler long term if he chooses to. I mean this has to be a wake up call for him.

we haven't changed the team enough to realistically have a shot at that. If we improved the defense with an offensive type, then maybe. Then it would be like a different team and a fresh start of sorts

 

[nabob]

Guy's a bum, I don't say that lightly, I don't like to put player down, but guy's been given SO MANY chances, 3 different coaches trying to reach. Problem is him. flat out. blame the organization all you want, but you know you are wrong here. its all on Puljujarvi.

Odd response considering I was just speculating on how Jesse probably feels. My post was eluding to how much the organization has invested in him and him being ungrateful...that no matter what he would feel as if they failed him.

By hey attack away

 

[nabob]

This line of thinking has never made much sense to me.

The year Puljujarvi had been drafted, the Oilers were in a position to be drafting one of him, Matthews or Laine for the entire season and his season ended before the draft lottery slid us out of the top 3. Before the draft lottery they were poised to select 2nd overall that season. If not him, than who the hell would they have been scouting?

They seemingly knew nothing of his struggles with English, the knee injury he was recovering from or anything about Jesse as a person.

 

[nabob]

Serious question guys. Is there any possibility that if we still own his rights come Sept., and he comes to TC with a completely different attitude and impresses, that he can still be an Oiler long term if he chooses to. I mean this has to be a wake up call for him.

That was my hope up until yesterday. Jesse has killed the chance of that happening it seems.

 

[nabob]

Looks like a few ppl on here owe Todd McLellan some huge apologies. Yikes

Not really. He’s a failure of a coach and his teams have underachieved every year except one.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I wonder if the Oil even interviewed him at all. By all accounts, Oilers hardly scouted the guy anyway and were dead set on Sergachev till CBJ picked PLD.

Still dont get how Chia didn't know how to pronounce his name both at the draft and years later.

going into the draft it was a big 3 draft and then a drop off---no one had the Pizza Boy falling to us and everyone said we lucked out that day. BJS GM new something no one else did and he passed on Pizza. At the time I thought he passed because taking a fin with his first Draft as a GM would have labeled him and he did not want that. IF you look back at the draft threads--I wanted the guy the Flames took and when we got pizza boy I was happy like everyone else

we already know who the next great debate will be about Bouchard vs Dobson--I wanted Dobson but Bouchard was ranked by most higher--hopefully that draft works out better than Pizza boy

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Serious question guys. Is there any possibility that if we still own his rights come Sept., and he comes to TC with a completely different attitude and impresses, that he can still be an Oiler long term if he chooses to. I mean this has to be a wake up call for him.

He’s sleeping through his wake up call.

 

[belair]

Serious question guys. Is there any possibility that if we still own his rights come Sept., and he comes to TC with a completely different attitude and impresses, that he can still be an Oiler long term if he chooses to. I mean this has to be a wake up call for him.

Even if he came to camp with a different attitude, we've replaced him on the roster for this coming season already. Odds are the Oilers would request he play the year in Europe this coming season and they'd regroup in the following summer.

The fact that he's waiver eligible complicates his return to North America regardless of where he ultimately ends up. The fact that he seems adamant that another roster would welcome him with open arms shows how unrealistic his demands are.

 

[ImmuneEH]

I still maintain that when a Finnish GM and a Finnish pro scout pass on a Finnish "cant miss" prospect the Oilers needed to have a contrarian sitting at the table and ask: Why?, when everyone else was ready to sprint to the podium. If anything just to have a conversation about the player.

Scout - "Hey Peter and Craig, maybe we should compare our notes on Sergachev and Puljujarvi before we make the pick"
Chia - "We dont have any notes on Pull-ju-jarvey to compare"
Scout - "Exactly. Why is Kekalainen passing on him? We have 5 minutes before we go to the podium. Maybe we should discuss this and stick with our selection?"
Chia - "Nope. Trust me. This will turn out exactly like the Reinhart trade. We good!"

That seems like pretty faulty logic. The Finnish thing seems overblown. People don't make anything of it if a Canadian GM passes on a Canadian player, and when an American GM passes on an American player. Why is this different?

Just because he's Finnish, does that mean that he needs to be partial to Finnish players? Of the 50 available contract spots for CBJ, 4 of them are taken by Finnish players. That doesn't seem significant at all.

Also, CBJ was in dire need of a center. They reached for the best center prospect available, Dubois. Montreal did this with Kotkaniemi. (Could hardly call it a reach, he was in my top 5)

JP may well have been a good pick if his development was handled properly.