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Rumor: Jesse Puljujarvi Part 3: Maybe He Picked Out His Brain Through His Nose One Lick at a Time?
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If this is true then the kid will never succeed. I really hope at least some of it is not true but I am not optimistic. I had my doubts about JP after the first season.
Dazed and Confused
Ludicrous speed, GO!
If Pulju holds out of camp, one player who is likely benefit with this is Haas. You can move Gagner without issue to the RW, and then use the Swiss international as the #3 centre.
I had been thinking this could happen anyway if Chiasson failed to hold into a top 6 job in camp.
I do like how Holland's played this. I can still see a role/spot for Pulju on the roster if he does choose to re-sign with the Oil over the next 6 weeks, however they still have 2 or 3 options they could easily plug in without missing a beat. The only downside is none of the others (outside of Yama) have Puljujarvi upside.
It also wouldn't surprise me to see Vanek added on a PTO.
I had been thinking this could happen anyway if Chiasson failed to hold into a top 6 job in camp.
I do like how Holland's played this. I can still see a role/spot for Pulju on the roster if he does choose to re-sign with the Oil over the next 6 weeks, however they still have 2 or 3 options they could easily plug in without missing a beat. The only downside is none of the others (outside of Yama) have Puljujarvi upside.
It also wouldn't surprise me to see Vanek added on a PTO.
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So I guess the whole McDavid and Draisaitl going to TMac and saying they don't want to play with him was true.
Heh. That's what JP gets for being a stubborn idiot
Dazed and Confused
Ludicrous speed, GO!
Interesting thing that the Pulju camp was upset with the recall after Hitch got hired.
Leavins makes the point about the team losing confidence with Chia when he made the Strome trade. That was more or less the same week as TMac getting the axe. It wouldn't surprise me to see the two interconnected in regard to Pulju losing confidence with the team.
I wonder if this situation would be any different if Puljujarvi was able to stay in Bakersfield, and actually iron out the flaws in his game through playing time.
Sounds about right, and explains everything we've seen to this point. Hopefully some day he'll realize he's his own worst enemy.
On a side note, I don't know how many times I've seen him bump or others bump into him too. It all becomes clear I guess.
oilerbear
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I am high Function Autistic.
From Day 1 on Lowetides blog I have stated Jessie shows clear signs of the same disability.
He is the type who needs the truth and technical points.
You do not Follow thru he is going to question you.
The org has clearly failed to identify what I see as a prospect anomaly.
It is not like he has not already proved what he could be.
Comparing M. Tkachuks 19 yr evg season to JP’s.
Tkachuk
16-17 76gm; 958:49; 10 evg; 0.63 evg/60
Frolik 792:37
Backlund 785:28
Puljujarvi
17-18 65gm; 820:10; 10evg; .73evg/60
Lucic L 467:25
Mcdavid C 258:48
Strome C 238:25
Khaira L 136:34
RNH C 118:01
Drai R 103:43
Over 600min of Lucic/Khaira playing LW and he generated evg at a better rate than M Tkachuk.
So what does he see in his 20 yr season?
18/19
46gm 527:54
RNH C 245:10
Khaira L 158:16
Lucic L 126:45
Caggulia L,C 82:30
Strome 68:52
Mcdavid 67:30
Brodziak 52:21
The kid racks evg better than M Tkachuk at 19 and you give him 67:30 with Mcdavid.
What wingers got more?
18-19
Mcdavid
Draisaitl LW,RW 888:03
Kassian RW 436:21
RNH LW 418:37
Chaisson RW 305:13
Rattie RW 247:31 Rattie?
Caggulia LW 144:21
Lucic LW 108:03
Khaira LW 68:55
That is 8 wingers getting better Mcdavid time.
How many wingers are their in a game?
8 wingers.
If that isn’t the oilers telling him (p... ...) You are not wanted, what is?
The JP is selfish narative is Alberta pie.
Bull pie!
If he is High Function they say around his age subtract 5-6 years to get level of social development.
Would it surprise you to here that from a 15-16 yr old.
Wonder if Kekalainen had a a Finnish evaluation on him?
From Day 1 on Lowetides blog I have stated Jessie shows clear signs of the same disability.
He is the type who needs the truth and technical points.
You do not Follow thru he is going to question you.
The org has clearly failed to identify what I see as a prospect anomaly.
It is not like he has not already proved what he could be.
Comparing M. Tkachuks 19 yr evg season to JP’s.
Tkachuk
16-17 76gm; 958:49; 10 evg; 0.63 evg/60
Frolik 792:37
Backlund 785:28
Puljujarvi
17-18 65gm; 820:10; 10evg; .73evg/60
Lucic L 467:25
Mcdavid C 258:48
Strome C 238:25
Khaira L 136:34
RNH C 118:01
Drai R 103:43
Over 600min of Lucic/Khaira playing LW and he generated evg at a better rate than M Tkachuk.
So what does he see in his 20 yr season?
18/19
46gm 527:54
RNH C 245:10
Khaira L 158:16
Lucic L 126:45
Caggulia L,C 82:30
Strome 68:52
Mcdavid 67:30
Brodziak 52:21
The kid racks evg better than M Tkachuk at 19 and you give him 67:30 with Mcdavid.
What wingers got more?
18-19
Mcdavid
Draisaitl LW,RW 888:03
Kassian RW 436:21
RNH LW 418:37
Chaisson RW 305:13
Rattie RW 247:31 Rattie?
Caggulia LW 144:21
Lucic LW 108:03
Khaira LW 68:55
That is 8 wingers getting better Mcdavid time.
How many wingers are their in a game?
8 wingers.
If that isn’t the oilers telling him (p... ...) You are not wanted, what is?
The JP is selfish narative is Alberta pie.
Bull pie!
If he is High Function they say around his age subtract 5-6 years to get level of social development.
Would it surprise you to here that from a 15-16 yr old.
Wonder if Kekalainen had a a Finnish evaluation on him?
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He didn't get anymore time with McDavid because of a few scary bumps out there (not being where he's supposed to be on the ice). With McDavid moving that fast out there, he needs to know that you're going to be where you're supposed to be (if you're going to be on his line). There's not enough space out there to be roaming out of position like on European ice.
Excellent summary by Van Diest here around the 1:50 mark:
These Are The Days
I need about tree fiddy
I want to agree with you. I really do. By I'm about as high functioning ADD as an adult gets (put myself through college, I was an RN for 3 years before I burned out because I hated it, started a family) and the only comparable I can really find is Nail Yakupov. You have the hardest working person you'll ever find, genuinely great to be around, wants to try to learn but the dude is a total goof and had showed signs of struggling to learn.
I have seen many functioning autistics i.e Asperger's and I've found they're perhaps the most willing and cooperative people you'll ever find because they understand their disability and the extra effort it takes. JP didn't seem to display any problems until getting to the USA.
But for all I know you're right though
Speculating on if he is a high function autistic and using said speculation to be making the rationale (some may say excuses) for his poor play on the ice and petulance off the ice is a reach IMO. It’s like the current Lucic CTE speculation. Maybe JP is simply as stubborn as he is reportedly to be?
As for Columbus and Kekalainen, I have heard an interview - I think it was Craig Custance ? - and he clearly said they (him and his head of amateur scouting who is also Finnish) believed JP had maturity and character issues.
oilerbear
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For those saying he is a bust!
You clearly did zero real analysis.
Or you would know he produced EVG better than Mathew Tkachuk with lesser talent at age 19
Then got told to piss off by having 8 wingers get more time than his 67:30 with Mcdavid in 18-19.
Rattie 247:31 seriously!
17-18 He had 5 evg in 258:48 with Mcdavid. 1.16 evg/60
18:19 he had 1evg in 66:46 5x5 .90 evg/60
600 min of MCd and he racks 9-10 evg and another 400+ EVTOI to add to the total.
18-19
#31 RW ( 1st line) 16 evg
#62 RW ( 2 Nd line) 10 evg.
It is important to note that
Our current RW evg production from last year is
Kassian #37 RW 14 evg with Williams, Buchnevich, Hayes, Frolik
Chiasson #43RW 13 evg - Bailey, Keller, Donskoi, Panik
Archibald #51 RW 12 evg - Eberle, Brown ,Hornquist, Simmonds
Granlund #61 RW 10 evg - Toffoli, Kase, Armia
In Hollands 21 yr in Detroit he does not like to have his forwards 32+ gm debuts be before the age 23 if he can help it.
8 seasons 23+
6 seasons 22
5 seasons 21
4 seasons U21
Draisaitl LW, RW 31 evg
Neal LW last 3 yr 5 evg, 20, 18
Khaira17-18 #59 LW 10 evg with Pacioretty, Steen, Burakovsky
Jurco was one of the U21.
20&22 Det 80gm 900:32 10 evg
24&25 CHI 42gm 498:52 7 evg
Give him 900 min he is a 2 Nd line evg LW.
Holland did not go out and get all strength double digit goal producers.
He sought double digit even goal depth.
UFA Chaisson, Archibald, Granlund, Jurco.
Brought in Nygard & Haas
Traded for Neal
That is potentially 8 double digit evg wingers.
Puljujarvi and any prospect are going to earn their way on the team moving forward.
Holland has 2 years before Puljujarvi is 23.
I am so glad cause we won’t be hearing anymore of do you think X draft pick will be making the roster.
Forwards 22-23
Dmen 23-24
Our best AHL Even production Dman last year was
Lagesson (23 yr) 8 evg 24 evp
Our best AHL HD area ( rickisbox on Lowetide pre 2010)(homeplate) dman since 05-06 was Lagesson.
If Puljujarvi has great success in Europe his value will seem higher.
You clearly did zero real analysis.
Or you would know he produced EVG better than Mathew Tkachuk with lesser talent at age 19
Then got told to piss off by having 8 wingers get more time than his 67:30 with Mcdavid in 18-19.
Rattie 247:31 seriously!
17-18 He had 5 evg in 258:48 with Mcdavid. 1.16 evg/60
18:19 he had 1evg in 66:46 5x5 .90 evg/60
600 min of MCd and he racks 9-10 evg and another 400+ EVTOI to add to the total.
18-19
#31 RW ( 1st line) 16 evg
#62 RW ( 2 Nd line) 10 evg.
It is important to note that
Our current RW evg production from last year is
Kassian #37 RW 14 evg with Williams, Buchnevich, Hayes, Frolik
Chiasson #43RW 13 evg - Bailey, Keller, Donskoi, Panik
Archibald #51 RW 12 evg - Eberle, Brown ,Hornquist, Simmonds
Granlund #61 RW 10 evg - Toffoli, Kase, Armia
In Hollands 21 yr in Detroit he does not like to have his forwards 32+ gm debuts be before the age 23 if he can help it.
8 seasons 23+
6 seasons 22
5 seasons 21
4 seasons U21
Draisaitl LW, RW 31 evg
Neal LW last 3 yr 5 evg, 20, 18
Khaira17-18 #59 LW 10 evg with Pacioretty, Steen, Burakovsky
Jurco was one of the U21.
20&22 Det 80gm 900:32 10 evg
24&25 CHI 42gm 498:52 7 evg
Give him 900 min he is a 2 Nd line evg LW.
Holland did not go out and get all strength double digit goal producers.
He sought double digit even goal depth.
UFA Chaisson, Archibald, Granlund, Jurco.
Brought in Nygard & Haas
Traded for Neal
That is potentially 8 double digit evg wingers.
Puljujarvi and any prospect are going to earn their way on the team moving forward.
Holland has 2 years before Puljujarvi is 23.
I am so glad cause we won’t be hearing anymore of do you think X draft pick will be making the roster.
Forwards 22-23
Dmen 23-24
Our best AHL Even production Dman last year was
Lagesson (23 yr) 8 evg 24 evp
Our best AHL HD area ( rickisbox on Lowetide pre 2010)(homeplate) dman since 05-06 was Lagesson.
If Puljujarvi has great success in Europe his value will seem higher.
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He got told to piss off because he didnt know where to be on the ice (or wouldn't listen), and so became a liability. How many times does he need to run into someone or vice versa before they say no thanks to him being on their line? Great physical skills, terrible hockey IQ (or stubbornness to adapt to succeed).
I hope the kid figures it out...but I'm not holding my breath.
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Hmm
What I meant to say,
His value is dog crap because he’s a bust, with a bad attitude.
Quit making excuses for this guy.
What I meant to say,
His value is dog crap because he’s a bust, with a bad attitude.
Quit making excuses for this guy.
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that is very disappointing, but also makes sense. I also don't get it. Why be so stubborn when your NHL future is on the line? He's up to be re-signed and the reason it will be for 1-2 million and not 5-6 is because he's not following directions from people who know better than he does.
My guess is that he found his big success in Europe just by doing whatever he feels like doing. I don't buy that he has bad hockey sense either. His MO as a player was that he was dissecting the play, but maybe he lacks the ability to do that while fitting into a system. Systems are everything in the modern NHL.
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He racks evg better than Tkachuk at 19 then gets #9 winger (13-14 fwd) TOI with Mcdavid.
You call that poor play!
When I developed my 40+ theories like homeplate .......
I could take 2 million pieces of info graph them in 5-6 dimensions in my head to get high resolution multivariable results.
My wife referred to it as my Accountant, beautiful mind sessions.
Plus my idetic memory allowed me to recall memories dating back to age 5.
Were the 2 critical gf/ga measures come from.
1. Shot density - HD area (rickisbox) (homeplate)
In late 60’s I noticed the violence of the Clarke ,Leach, Stoughton Flin Flon Bombers was about the area in front of the net.
That the closer you g0t the easier it was to score.
2. Shot Quality 0% or >0%
- hit goalie theory
- Open/Closed shot
- 0% Corsi
At age 10 their was a young kid who wanted to trade cards and play road hockey.
I noticed Ronnie would move with the ball like a Table Hockey Goalie.
It hit him at a high rate. They scored less goals.
Hit goalie shots had 0% chance of going in.
They were closed shots.
Only shots in open net elevation had a real chance of going in.
When I contacted Ronnie Gunville Player Personel Director of WHL Champ PA Raiders to tell him he was the basis of my theory, he said it was ok to use his name.
Their is a chance Puljujarvi’s brain works this way.
When a player is WJC MVP at 17.
Gretzky
Puljujarvi
They must see the game differently.
Problem with Puljujarvi is he may not be mature enough till he is 23-24, so he can play the game as a professional.
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Not saying he is a total bust (yet) but you can throw all the numbers about what he did when he was 19, it doesn't matter. He isn't 19 anymore.
The facts remain his coaches have become exasperated with his play - with any players and in all situations - and his teammates do not want to skate with him because he is an anchor.
I have watched him play live as much as anyone and he cant get out of his own way on the ice, he doesn't play the inside game and in the NHL game that is where many goals are scored, he cant make a leading pass to save his life, and he puts himself in poor situations to move the play forward. It doesn't matter what the fancy stats say, that is the reality.
When player tracking is software is used, you will be able to track him, his speed, his angles of attack, and that relative to the opponents and his teammates and it would clearly show this. Right now you must rely on the eye test and video to analyze that. And that, not the fancy stats, are the reality of this player right now.
Can he improve? Lets hope so, so Holland can turn his whining petulant ass into something of value for this hockey team.
Hockey sense playing with your age group and non-NHL players in a Tier 2 league vs the NHL is one thing. Hockey sense playing where everyone else has superior to elite hockey sense along with the improved pace of the game, smaller ice surface, and modern systems are completely another ballgame.
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IIRC Pulju moved away from home at 15 and lived with a bunch of other boys without any parents in the house. May have just gone down a path in life that involved being an immature little goof with no one showing him the way. In hockey he was so much better than most he could do little wrong there either, until he hit the NHL.
Your saying Puljujarvi is on Gretzky's level because he was a WJC at 17, and therefore sees the game differently?
My theory is JP was a man child at 17 and had physical tools far above his peers and that contributed vastly to his success at 18 and under. Once in the NHL those advantages disappear, and he hasn't seen to grow his game. Gretzky is a once in a lifetime phenom and the best player to ever play the game. A little bit of difference between the two I would say.
Maybe you need to speak to Todd McClellan vs Ronnie Gunville, as I have, about JP to get a better perspective about his game and the frustrations coaches and NHL calibre players have with this kid.
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And considering only the tip of the iceberg trickles down to us, I highly doubt he is well-liked to begin with.
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