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Rumor: Jesse Puljujarvi Part 3: Maybe He Picked Out His Brain Through His Nose One Lick at a Time?

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Can someone please explain to me how Jesse's situation affects our cap and other potential signings?

I assume that Holland has said something like "Look Jesse, we want you on our team here is a contract for 1 million dollars". If Jesse's agent says "No, we aren't signing a contract with the Oilers. He wants to play somewhere else". Wouldn't it make sense for him to sign a contract regardless of his trade demands? I assume teams don't like trading for players who don't have contracts. Or if he signs a contract with us does that prevent him from being loaned out to a Finnish team? What if we use our cap space to sign another UFA and some team offer sheet's Jesse for like 1.3 mil? Are we stuck at that point losing him for nothing or can we move $ around to match the offer sheet and get back under the cap by burying players or something?
 
jukon said:
Can someone please explain to me how Jesse's situation affects our cap and other potential signings?

I assume that Holland has said something like "Look Jesse, we want you on our team here is a contract for 1 million dollars". If Jesse's agent says "No, we aren't signing a contract with the Oilers. He wants to play somewhere else". Wouldn't it make sense for him to sign a contract regardless of his trade demands? I assume teams don't like trading for players who don't have contracts. Or if he signs a contract with us does that prevent him from being loaned out to a Finnish team? What if we use our cap space to sign another UFA and some team offer sheet's Jesse for like 1.3 mil? Are we stuck at that point losing him for nothing or can we move $ around to match the offer sheet and get back under the cap by burying players or something?
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IIRC, loan is whatever mutual between other European club, Oilers and the player in question.
If he doesn't sign with us, his only option is Europe which doesn't affect Oilers both cap and salary wise.

Smart financial move for him would be to sign whatever Oilers offer, put on big boy pants and play hard and up his value so Holland can turf him. But seeing how butt hurt he is over who's on the roster, he'll probably just sulk in Europe for the year.

Holland aint trading him for scraps so really, JP is the only loser here. The Oilers have seemingly made their roster decisions and it looks like it's one that doesn't include JP

If he gets traded before he signs a contract with the Oilers, I dont think it really affects the return as much. I mean his value sucks as it is. Just any contract crap, it becomes the other team's problem
 
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jukon said:
Can someone please explain to me how Jesse's situation affects our cap and other potential signings?

I assume that Holland has said something like "Look Jesse, we want you on our team here is a contract for 1 million dollars". If Jesse's agent says "No, we aren't signing a contract with the Oilers. He wants to play somewhere else". Wouldn't it make sense for him to sign a contract regardless of his trade demands? I assume teams don't like trading for players who don't have contracts. Or if he signs a contract with us does that prevent him from being loaned out to a Finnish team? What if we use our cap space to sign another UFA and some team offer sheet's Jesse for like 1.3 mil? Are we stuck at that point losing him for nothing or can we move $ around to match the offer sheet and get back under the cap by burying players or something?
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The way I see it is that we currently have 23 NHL contract with 2.5M space. Manning is likely demoted and replaced with a smaller contract giving approximately $3.5M space.

So say you sign someone for $2.5, someone would have to be demoted out of the 23 contracts to make room, so you likely still have $1.7-$2.1M in space.

If someone then offersheets him, the Oilers would have to demote someone to make room thus adding $700K-$1.1M space. This means they could reasonably match up to about $3M dollars and make the cap work. No team in their right mind would offer him that much unless it was to deliberately sabotage the Oilers because odds are any offer sheet would be matched as the most the Oilers would see in compensation at a value they couldn't match would be a second round pick.

Jesse (if smart, which apparently he is not) wouldn't want an offer sheet as it would basically lock him into a contract with the Oilers and he'd be suspended if he didn't report.
 
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The way I see it is that we currently have 23 NHL contract with 2.5M space. Manning is likely demoted and replaced with a smaller contract giving approximately $3.5M space.

So say you sign someone for $2.5, someone would have to be demoted out of the 23 contracts to make room, so you likely still have $1.7-$2.1M in space.

If someone then offersheets him, the Oilers would have to demote someone to make room thus adding $700K-$1.1M space. This means they could reasonably match up to about $3M dollars and make the cap work. No team in their right mind would offer him that much unless it was to deliberately sabotage the Oilers because odds are any offer sheet would be matched as the most the Oilers would see in compensation at a value they couldn't match would be a second round pick.

Jesse (if smart, which apparently he is not) wouldn't want an offer sheet as it would basically lock him into a contract with the Oilers and he'd be suspended if he didn't report.
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I have to think if he were smart he'd take a 2mil offer sheet. The amount of money that puts in his pocket is huge. Not just for this year, but qualifying offers going forward.

2mil compared to a few hundred thousand in Europe is quite the difference.
 
bone said:
The way I see it is that we currently have 23 NHL contract with 2.5M space. Manning is likely demoted and replaced with a smaller contract giving approximately $3.5M space.

So say you sign someone for $2.5, someone would have to be demoted out of the 23 contracts to make room, so you likely still have $1.7-$2.1M in space.

If someone then offersheets him, the Oilers would have to demote someone to make room thus adding $700K-$1.1M space. This means they could reasonably match up to about $3M dollars and make the cap work. No team in their right mind would offer him that much unless it was to deliberately sabotage the Oilers because odds are any offer sheet would be matched as the most the Oilers would see in compensation at a value they couldn't match would be a second round pick.

Jesse (if smart, which apparently he is not) wouldn't want an offer sheet as it would basically lock him into a contract with the Oilers and he'd be suspended if he didn't report.
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What's the consequence of being suspended? Isn't it basically the same as he is right now? He doesn't have a contract and can't play in the NHL. He can still refuse to play for the Oilers if he has a contract, can't he?
 
jukon said:
What's the consequence of being suspended? Isn't it basically the same as he is right now? He doesn't have a contract and can't play in the NHL. He can still refuse to play for the Oilers if he has a contract, can't he?
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Right now he can play where ever he wants except for the NHL, because he is not under contract but EDM holds his rights. If he signs a contract and does not report, the team can cut ties with him for breach of contract (but they'd prob still retain his rights). Don't think it matters. He's not signing anything before agreeing a path forward.

Edit: not sure I answered your question to be honest...
 
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I have to think if he were smart he'd take a 2mil offer sheet. The amount of money that puts in his pocket is huge. Not just for this year, but qualifying offers going forward.

2mil compared to a few hundred thousand in Europe is quite the difference.
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But then he'd have to report to the Oilers and play. What's the incentive for the other team to sign him to it though as they know Edmonton matches anyways.
 
jukon said:
What's the consequence of being suspended? Isn't it basically the same as he is right now? He doesn't have a contract and can't play in the NHL. He can still refuse to play for the Oilers if he has a contract, can't he?
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I don't know as whenever it has happened in the past, the NHL would review and and make a judgement. In a case like this, should he not report and is suspended, the league could very likely rule that the terms of the contract would be enforced whenever he returns (i.e. if it's a one-year contract, the start date of that one-year contract becomes when he reports) or at minimum if the contract expires the Oilers would still retain the rights. The league likely rules that way to prevent players from creating their own separate path to unrestricted free agency.
 
Long story short, if Aho wants to play with Jesse so bad he should tell his team to pony up rather than creating all of this drama to get him out of Edmonton for 10 cents on the dollar. If this is what is happening, Holland will need to stand firm to stop players from colluding in this manner.
 
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But then he'd have to report to the Oilers and play. What's the incentive for the other team to sign him to it though as they know Edmonton matches anyways.
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If it were a division rival it would just be a dick move to try disrupt the team.
 
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If it were a division rival it would just be a dick move to try disrupt the team.
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Yeah, but how often does a team actually do that as you never know when that team you are burning may be the team that could help you out with the key asset you are missing.

I'm not saying it is impossible, I just don't see it as a realistic scenario. Firstly from JPs camp as it doesn't likely get them out of town which they desire. Secondly the other team is burning a bridge for little benefit. Thirdly Edmonton is reasonably positioned to respond, unless someone goes crazy and offers 4M. But even then why would they do that when they could pay him just $1M but offer a slightly better deal to Edmonton. $3M in cap space is quite a valuable asset.
 
bone said:
The way I see it is that we currently have 23 NHL contract with 2.5M space. Manning is likely demoted and replaced with a smaller contract giving approximately $3.5M space.

So say you sign someone for $2.5, someone would have to be demoted out of the 23 contracts to make room, so you likely still have $1.7-$2.1M in space.

If someone then offersheets him, the Oilers would have to demote someone to make room thus adding $700K-$1.1M space. This means they could reasonably match up to about $3M dollars and make the cap work. No team in their right mind would offer him that much unless it was to deliberately sabotage the Oilers because odds are any offer sheet would be matched as the most the Oilers would see in compensation at a value they couldn't match would be a second round pick.

Jesse (if smart, which apparently he is not) wouldn't want an offer sheet as it would basically lock him into a contract with the Oilers and he'd be suspended if he didn't report.
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And he can't be traded once his offersheet is matched for 1 year I think.
 
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joestevens29 said:
Contracts by Agent | Puckpedia

Ranks 13th overall in total contract dollars. Rask, Lindell, Teravinen and Koskinen are the top 4 per year clients.

The problem I have is we don't know what the agent has said to Jesse. It is highly irregular for an agent to come out and say anything on his own unless there is something morally done wrong. The agent should be making recommendations with Jesse signing off on them.

The other things I wonder are

1. Is Jesse just that stupid and doesn't realize what he is saying? I mean we've seen it before where guys will do interviews in their hometowns where they open up more and are just being honest? If so Lehto should be telling Jesse that he shouldn't saying anything about his future in Edmonton other than my agent is dealing with it.

2. Any chance Lehto speaks up as often as he does to take the heat away from his client and put the focus on the agent more than the player?
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I just wouldn't expect a player to be that irresponsible without the agent advocating for this type of talking/behaviour. I mean, then again we are talking about Puljujaarvi, a guy that refused free help to learn the language he needed for his job.... so I wouldn't put it past him.
 
Ok yeah. Just curious if we can use the cap space while he is unsigned or if that would handcuff us.
 
I’d say PJ is brain dead but that would require the prerequisite of actually having a brain in the first place.
 
joestevens29 said:
Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty 17m17 minutes ago
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Finnish League sources say Puljujarvi would likely get about 200,000 Euros ($221,000 US, $294,000 Cdn) to play in his hometown of Oulu. That's long way from $1 mil US here.

I don't usually quote Matty, but I find this rather hilarious.
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I feel like Jesse would think he's winning cause 220 >>>>> 1. Probably skipped out on his Math classes too.
 
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The whole draft system is problematic. It's not right that an organization that lacks the ability to build a winning team, is allowed to draft early every single year. It should be restricted to maximum 2 top 5 picks in 5 years. It's not easy to find anything else in life where you get rewarded for it when you do a terrible job.
 
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Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty 17m17 minutes ago
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Finnish League sources say Puljujarvi would likely get about 200,000 Euros ($221,000 US, $294,000 Cdn) to play in his hometown of Oulu. That's long way from $1 mil US here.

I don't usually quote Matty, but I find this rather hilarious.
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If he chooses Oulu, it's not about money. One year there could be seen as an investment. The question is what is the best long-term strategy. Can he develop his game more in Oulu or in Edmonton. I think that if he fails in Oulu, it would be very difficult to make it later on as a professional hockey player. One more bad season in Edmonton doesn't mean the same. It probably would just force the GM to trade him. Once you leave the NHL it becomes more difficult to get an opportunity again. Let's compare this to football. Gareth Bale wanted to leave Real Madrid this summer. Season has started and he stayed. There are many examples like that. If you don't play enough, you want to move somewhere where you are a more important part of the success of that team. Young players are quite often dissatisfied before they make it. One example is Renato Sanches. The team has said that they want him to stay in Munich because they see that he has the potential to become successful. However, the player doesn't have patience anymore and it shows, which complicates things. Either they keep him or sell him but the player isn't happy as long as he is not playing more. So Jesse's situation isn't unusual. In hockey we are just used to players who are talking that same hockey jargon all the time: "yes, the city is great, fans are great, everything is great." I think that the coach should fly to Oulu, explain what has changed, how they plan with the player, what they expect from him and say: you either sign with us or you stay in Oulu and play Liiga. Then Jesse chooses whether he wants to be a NHL-player or not. It would take one day and the whole case would be solved.
 
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