Rumor: Jesse Puljujarvi Part 3: Maybe He Picked Out His Brain Through His Nose One Lick at a Time?

[Del Preston]

Thanks for your reply, but I'm afraid it raises even more questions.

Colby Cave is on a two-way-contract. How come we picked him up off waivers last season?

And wouldn't teams want to sign all their lower-end players to two-year-contracts with the AHL pay just a tiny bit lower than the NHL pay if that automatically granted waiver exemption?

I'm confused...

A two-way contract only means the player earns a lower salary when playing in the AHL.

Waiver eligibility is determined by the player's age and games played in the NHL.

Waivers FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Puljujarvi signed his ELC when he was 18-years-old. He would be waivers-exempt for five years or until he played 160 NHL games (whichever came first). But:

• There is an exception for 18 and 19 year olds:
  • If an 18 or 19 year old skater plays 11 NHL games or more, the year exemption will reduce to 3, and the following two season will count against these 3 years regardless of games played.

He played 28 games as an 18-year-old, so he would now lose his exemption after his third year (this past season).

Colby Cave signed a three-year ELC in April 2015 when he was 20. Due to his age he was exempt from waivers for only three years. He became waivers-eligible after the 2017-18 season.

 

[nabob]

The biggest problem with JP's game is nobody had a clue where his game was at the NHL level. His draft sheet had him as a good skater and puck carrier with hard shot but he never handled the puck with grace or confidence and was seldom at the right spot to take advantage of his shot. Also, guy never really used his size to his advantage.
In hindsight, that's probably why TMac had to suggest the most basic **** for him. Until the coaching staff was confident enough that they had a serviceable NHLr, be it bottom or top 6, they had to work in the fundamentals. I suppose leash couldve been longer but with a team [and fan base] starving for wins, they can't really let him 'experiment'

Too bad for the team, JP thought he knew better.

All very fair points. You’d see a glimpse of his abilities every once and a while but could never put it together consistently for the level required in the NHL so far. Another reason why I feel it would have been so much better for him to rehab his knee injury fully his first year, stay in Finland then a year in the AHL to learn about the American game and then make last season his rookie NHL season. Unfortunately it appears the player, his agent and the Oilers all were greedy and wanted to rush things. Hell Chia was banking on a young 18 year old Puljujarvi to replace a big chunk of Taylor Hall’s production, so you know the Oilers wanted him here that first year.

 

[nabob]

A two-way contract only means the player earns a lower salary when playing in the AHL.

Waiver eligibility is determined by the player's age and games played in the NHL.

Waivers FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Puljujarvi signed his ELC when he was 18-years-old. He would be waivers-exempt for five years or until he played 160 NHL games (whichever comes first). But:


He played 28 games as an 18-year-old. He lost his exemption after this past season and will have to go through waivers from now on.

Colby Cave signed a three-year ELC in 2015 when he was 20. He was exempt from waivers for all three seasons (unless he played more than 160 NHL games; he only played in three during the contract). Upon the conclusion of the contract he lost his exemption and now has to go through waivers when he is sent down to the AHL. That's how the Oilers claimed him from Boston.

Thanks Del for the info.

 

[Del Preston]

Thanks Del for the info.

 

[frag2]

All very fair points. You’d see a glimpse of his abilities every once and a while but could never put it together consistently for the level required in the NHL so far. Another reason why I feel it would have been so much better for him to rehab his knee injury fully his first year, stay in Finland then a year in the AHL to learn about the American game and then make last season his rookie NHL season. Unfortunately it appears the player, his agent and the Oilers all were greedy and wanted to rush things. Hell Chia was banking on a young 18 year old Puljujarvi to replace a big chunk of Taylor Hall’s production, so you know the Oilers wanted him here that first year.

The biggest mistake in all this imo

 

[Reverend]

I don’t know Jesse personally, but I have a gut feeling that with him being friends with Aho and all, they must have had conversations about everything every day and maybe, just maybe, Jesse sees himself just as ready and capable and most disturbingly, somewhere near equal, to be an NHL player as Aho. And maybe that’s what he feeds his agent aka mr. lack of brain and all of a sudden every bit of work ethic disappears in the shadow of being a first round pick.

 

[Mickelsnitz]

Thanks for taking my post completely out of context and ignoring the obvious truths that were included in it.

I didn’t make the part about them wanting him to go harder to the net up. It was TMac’s biggest issue with him, which made it obvious that he didn’t know anything about JP and his game.

I won’t deny that he needed work on the boards and cycling. Pretty sure I have pointed that out myself multiple times in JP threads.

How do you know what TMacs biggest issue with JP was. NHL coaches don’t know about his game but you do? You should get a resume together.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The biggest mistake in all this imo

And unfortunately not exclusive to Chiarelli either. His predecessors were very much the same way.

 

[nabob]

How do you know what TMacs biggest issue with JP was. NHL coaches don’t know about his game but you do? You should get a resume together.

Umm read the multiple threads about JP here. There were also plenty of interviews with TMac where he emphasized how they want Jesse to go hard to the front of the net.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Thanks for taking my post completely out of context and ignoring the obvious truths that were included in it.

I didn’t make the part about them wanting him to go harder to the net up. It was TMac’s biggest issue with him, which made it obvious that he didn’t know anything about JP and his game.

I won’t deny that he needed work on the boards and cycling. Pretty sure I have pointed that out myself multiple times in JP threads.

Out of context? I says pardon?

You just said TM had no clue what JPs strengths are and tried forcing him to play a different game.

Ya, the coach who played Thorton, Burns, Hertl, Pavelski, Couture, RNH, McDavid, Drai, etc to their strengths suddenly got rattled by the entity known as Pizza Boy

Obvious truths. That's hilarious.
You were 1000% certain TM ruined JPs development just a month ago ..and it's pretty clear you're still preaching that nonsense now

Hence, why you just said is as if TM never watched JP play.

 

[Muikea Bulju]

Hahaha well played!

What I’m truly hoping for is he recants his trade request, signs here cheap and proves all you haters wrong next season. I’m also hoping Koskinen wins the Vezina, Nurse the Norris, Bouchard the Calder and all the other trophies belong to Connor.

Nurse is not winning a Norris. Ever.

McDavid wins the Norris before Nurse is even nominated for it. Probably even the Vezina.

 

[harpoon]

Because it really does appear that you’re making obscure stuff up to be negative about a player when there’s plenty of actual ammo available

Yeah, my track record on the site is ‘making things up’. If you had bothered following along instead of just blindly lashing out at anyone with a negative word to say, you would realize that I have been mostly supportive of JP in my posting - right up until the time he took his silly ‘trade me’ demands public. I had however noted on multiple occasions - long before anyone heard that the player wanted out of Edmonton - his odd, and seemingly unprofessional reactions to his own errors on the ice. I agree with @Delicious Pancakes above who says that it’s probably just the way JP is wired and doesn’t mean that he isn’t taking things seriously. But that almost doesn’t matter because grinning like an idiot when you’ve just f***ed up again leaves open the possibility for coaches, team mates and fans to conclude that you are taking the piss.

So much so that you’re criticizing him for something you never actually saw happen lol.

It happened. I saw it. Thousands of others saw it. And you can bet his team mates and coaches saw it. And nobody is laughing.

beer league intensity

Yup. Doesn’t fly in the NHL.

 

[nabob]

Yeah, my track record on the site is ‘making things up’. If you had bothered following along instead of just blindly lashing out at anyone with a negative word to say, you would realize that I have been mostly supportive of JP in my posting - right up until the time he took his silly ‘trade me’ demands public. I had however noted on multiple occasions - long before anyone heard that the player wanted out of Edmonton - his odd, and seemingly unprofessional reactions to his own errors on the ice. I agree with @Delicious Pancakes below who says that it’s probably just the way JP is wired and doesn’t mean that he isn’t taking things seriously. But that almost doesn’t matter because grinning like an idiot when you’ve just ****ed up again leaves open the possibility for coaches, team mates and fans to conclude that you are taking the piss.
It happened. I saw it. Thousands of others saw it. And you can bet his team mates and coaches saw it. And nobody is laughing.

On the bench? None that I can recall...

Can you make up your mind did you see it or not. You claimed it happened all the time, then admitted you never saw it, now you’re saying it happened and you saw it.

Aren’t you basically calling yourself a fibber then by doing a complete 180 on what you thought before the trade request happened? How does a trade request change your opinion of Jesse as a hockey player to be the complete opposite of what it was the day before the trade request happened. You sound like a Flames dan who thought Neal was good and would bounce back the day before the Lucic trade. Now they think Neal is hot garbage. Nothing changed with the player but their option of him as a player 100% changed. You did the same thing with Jesse you say.

 

[nabob]

Nurse is not winning a Norris. Ever.

McDavid wins the Norris before Nurse is even nominated for it. Probably even the Vezina.

‘twas a joke.

 

[nabob]

Out of context? I says pardon?

You just said TM had no clue what JPs strengths are and tried forcing him to play a different game.

Ya, the coach who played Thorton, Burns, Hertl, Pavelski, Couture, RNH, McDavid, Drai, etc to their strengths suddenly got rattled by the entity known as Pizza Boy

Obvious truths. That's hilarious.
You were 1000% certain TM ruined JPs development just a month ago ..and it's pretty clear you're still preaching that nonsense now

Hence, why you just said is as if TM never watched JP play.

Thanks for telling me what my opinion is

Why you comparing JP to big Joe, McDavid and other star player. TMac also failed to get results with them. His legacy as a coach is one who had immensely skilled and well built teams that underachieved.

 

[harpoon]

Can you make up your mind did you see it or not. You claimed it happened all the time, then admitted you never saw it, now you’re saying it happened and you saw it.

See this is you in the thread. Parsing the words of other posters and being intentionally dense. You asked what I saw on the bench. I replied that I didn’t recall seeing anything in particular on the bench but I’d seen more than a few instances on the ice immediately after the play. I know you can read and tell the difference. So why are you trying to drag me into a quarrel? You disagree? Fine, move along. But don’t tell me what I saw and didn’t see.

How does a trade request change your opinion of Jesse as a hockey player

It didn’t really. More like it changed my opinion of him as a person. I like loyalty. My opinion of Jesse as an NHL hockey player was never that high, but I supported him because it was clear he was having trouble adjusting to life in NA and the pro game - not to mention he was a high draft pick that we desperately needed to pan out. If he’d kept his trade demands quiet that would be one thing. Shouting them in the press, ala Nail Yakupov, causes me to withdraw my support. I doubt I’m the only fan in that camp either.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Thanks for telling me what my opinion is

This whole thread knows what your opinion is..it's not the Da Vinci Code

 

[nabob]

See this is you in the thread. Parsing the words of other posters and being intentionally dense. You asked what I saw on the bench. I replied that I didn’t recall seeing anything in particular on the bench but I’d seen more than a few instances on the ice immediately after the play. I know you can read and tell the difference. So why are you trying to drag me into a quarrel? You disagree? Fine, move along. But don’t tell me what I saw and didn’t see.
It didn’t really. More like it changed my opinion of him as a person. I like loyalty. My opinion of Jesse as an NHL hockey player was never that high, but I supported him because it was clear he was having trouble adjusting to life in NA and the pro game - not to mention he was a high draft pick that we desperately needed to pan out. If he’d kept his trade demands quiet that would be one thing. Shouting them in the press, ala Nail Yakupov, causes me to withdraw my support. I doubt I’m the only fan in that camp either.

Yes players show emotion differently when things go wrong on the ice, you said it also happened on the bench, then said you never saw it happen on the bench. Then you continued to talk as if you saw it happen on the bench all the time. Simple misunderstanding on my behalf as you were flip flopping so much to try and justify a silly post. Which you continue to do.

So what is an acceptable reaction for a player when he flubs a shot or makes a bad play? Is that the new standard for how a player is judged? Seems to be the deciding factor for you.

 

[TheStorm]

wooops

 

[FiftyFifty]

A lot of time and attention being spent on a kid who simply isn't an NHL-caliber player.

 

[nabob]

A lot of time and attention being spent on a kid who simply isn't an NHL-caliber player.

I think it’s more the that he’s a failed 4th overall pick and that pick could have been Sergachev or Ratchuk. Now he’s likely to be traded for peanuts and could very likely have a successful career elsewhere if he puts it all together.

 

[harpoon]

Yes players show emotion differently when things go wrong on the ice, you said it also happened on the bench, then said you never saw it happen on the bench. Then you continued to talk as if you saw it happen on the bench all the time. Simple misunderstanding on my behalf as you were flip flopping so much to try and justify a silly post. Which you continue to do.

I never once mentioned the bench. You brought that into the equation. At this point I am no longer able to assume that you’ve just made a mistake. I have to conclude that you are lying and fabricating in a desperate attempt to make yourself look less ridiculous. Sad really.

 

[nabob]

I never once mentioned the bench. You brought that into the equation. At this point I am no longer able to assume that you’ve just made a mistake. I have to conclude that you are lying and fabricating in a desperate attempt to make yourself look less ridiculous. Sad really.

My mistake about the bench, although I still think the whole facial expression criticism is silly.

 

[McRpro]

Thanks for telling me what my opinion is

Why you comparing JP to big Joe, McDavid and other star player. TMac also failed to get results with them. His legacy as a coach is one who had immensely skilled and well built teams that underachieved.

I could have swore TMac did indeed get results with those players. Let me check their stats......

 

[nabob]

I could have swore TMac did indeed get results with those players. Let me check their stats......

Pretty sure those teams were all considered disappointments.

Funny how fans here have gone to great lengths to defend TMac, Chia, and the rest of the people in the Oilers organization who were failures and they wanted gone...Just to try and further discredit one single player who played very limited minutes over 139 games while the team was one of the worst teams in the NHL.