Tribute Jesperi Kotkaniemi - Goodbye and Good Luck part II

[GrandBison]

Good for him, He should keep the pace till January first to get a big extension before his usual slump...

 

[WinterLion]

You know who he looked like out there, Vinny Lecavalier ... proceed and laugh at me but honestly he really looked like him out there .

I always thought he looked liked Vinny. I still don't think he will be as good, but what a nightmare if he does...

 

[WinterLion]

It's possible that both the Habs and Canes like what they have moving forward.

I actually think this is the most likely. If KK ends up being a LW... it's really not a big deal to the Habs even if he becomes worth his contract.

 

[sandviper]

Yeah, nope. When you watch enough hockey you can see some things right away. Teräväinen will be the guy who helps KK to the next level, and in the same process makes MB look like a clown again. Which is glorious.

Oh, now we’re saying the right line mates will help take KK to the next level? Before that, KK was a bum who couldn’t do anything with ours? Which is it with you?

 

[le_sean]

Good for him, He should keep the pace till January first to get a big extension before his usual slump...

It’s Kotkaniemi. He’ll keep the pace for the first 5 games of the season then disappear off the face of the earth.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Time to move on from KK, he took the money and ran without earning it, can't blame him but Carolina will regret it

The bloated contracted was for one year, so any regret will be short-lived. As for the draft choices, it was the cost to inflict a bit of revenge on a opposing team who broke the 'unspoken agreement' (collusion?) to refrain from using offer sheets to inflate already overpriced players' salaries.

 

[Goalfield13]

The bloated contracted was for one year, so any regret will be short-lived. As for the draft choices, it was the cost to inflict a bit of revenge on a opposing team who broke the 'unspoken agreement' (collusion?) to refrain from using offer sheets to inflate already overpriced players' salaries.

You think losing a 1st and a 3rd is nothing? What happens if he doesn't sign with them and goes UFA? Will it be short-lived then? You think petty revenge is a way to run a team? The Habs offered a fair price for Aho. It wasn't inflated. Inflated is $6.1 mil for a player that can barely score 30 points or stay on his skates.

 

[DAChampion]

You think losing a 1st and a 3rd is nothing?

It's not a huge deal. It's the going rate for rentals, for example. It's a great price to play for a potentially excellent player.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

KK got 2 points with TT on his line while playing against litteraly ECHLers.

The whole Tampa team was loaded with unknowns. Let's relax a little.

If he gets 60 points this year good for him. He most assuredly wouldn't have gotten 60 with the Habs on 3rd line duties.

There is also a really strong chance he gets 30 to 40 points this year at which point everybody will be like bah KK is a bust, eat it Carolina.

Just wait and see. Saying that MB made another huge mistake after a 2 point pre-season game is bonkers.

Dvorak didn't exactly score his 4 points against Toronto's "A" team. So everybody should keep their expectations in check unlike the 'fans' at Montreal games who start to sing lustily and mockingly when the team goes up one or two goals only having to swallow their tongues once the opposing teams scores a goal or two.

 

[Goalfield13]

It's not a huge deal. It's the going rate for rentals, for example. It's a great price to play for a potentially excellent player.

It's the going rate for GOOD rentals. KK is not that.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

You think losing a 1st and a 3rd is nothing? What happens if he doesn't sign with them and goes UFA? Will it be short-lived then? You think petty revenge is a way to run a team? The Habs offered a fair price for Aho. It wasn't inflated. Inflated is $6.1 mil for a player that can barely score 30 points or stay on his skates.

You obviously don't know the psyche of the owner of the Hurricanes.

 

[DAChampion]

It's the going rate for GOOD rentals. KK is not that.

They're paying for a small sun for great potential.

They did the same when they acquired Terevainen, which our GM lacked the courage to do.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

You think losing a 1st and a 3rd is nothing? What happens if he doesn't sign with them and goes UFA? Will it be short-lived then? You think petty revenge is a way to run a team? The Habs offered a fair price for Aho. It wasn't inflated. Inflated is $6.1 mil for a player that can barely score 30 points or stay on his skates.

Perhaps the problem was drafting this player in the first place.

 

[Goalfield13]

They're paying for a small sun for great potential.

They did the same when they acquired Terevainen, which our GM lacked the courage to do.

Imagine if MB traded a 1st and a 3rd for a player like this? People would be going nuts right now. The fact the Habs were able to get a superior player with term for nearly the same cost and a lower cap hit really shows how awful this is for the Canes. I know you are trying to sugar coat it to make the Habs look bad, but it really makes no sense from a risk management and valuation perspective.

 

[Goalfield13]

Perhaps the problem was drafting this player in the first place.

Yeah, maybe. You win some, you lose some. If you think KK is a bust, what do you think of the Canes trading for him and giving him that cap hit? We are better now than before, so it is all good to me.

 

[Goalfield13]

You obviously don't know the psyche of the owner of the Hurricanes.

I do know it, which is why I mentioned it. He's an idiot.

 

[DAChampion]

Imagine if MB traded a 1st and a 3rd for a player like this?

I'd be thrilled.

 

[Goalfield13]

I'd be thrilled.

Haha! Sure you would!

 

[DAChampion]

Haha! Sure you would!

As an example, the Habs could have gotten a first when they traded Pacioretty, but they instead targeted a young forward in Suzuki.

 

[Archijerej]

I know this post was in jest.

But for anyone who believes KK was indirectly traded for Dvorak, I don’t see it that way. It just accelerated the timeline for trading for Dvorak.

If the Habs had played their cards right this off-season they would have had both Dvorak and KK.

That's very doubtful. They might have traded for Dvorak regardless, but the Kotkaniemi situation was clearly just a culmination of a longer process. I don't think there was anything that could have been done this off-season to avoid the scenario that materialized.

 

[Goalfield13]

As an example, the Habs could have gotten a first when they traded Pacioretty, but they instead targeted a young forward in Suzuki.

How is this comparable? I guess we can just look at the value of each trade.

Patches was our captain and legit 1st line LW. Suzuki was a recent 1st round pick that was still playing junior at the time. Additionally, they got an established player in Tatar and a 2nd round pick.

KK can barely get 3o points and needs a lot of work physically. He should be in the AHL at this point. They traded a 1st and a 3rd for him.

Not sure how this helps your argument. One trade had good value on both sides. The other doesn't, especially when you factor in the $6.1 mil for 1 year. If KK was signed for $2m for 2-3 years, it would make a lot more sense, but still questionable.

 

[DAChampion]

How is this comparable? I guess we can just look at the value of each trade.

Patches was our captain and legit 1st line LW. Suzuki was a recent 1st round pick that was still playing junior at the time. Additionally, they got an established player in Tatar and a 2nd round pick.

KK can barely get 3o points and needs a lot of work physically. He should be in the AHL at this point. They traded a 1st and a 3rd for him.

Not sure how this helps your argument. One trade had good value on both sides. The other doesn't, especially when you factor in the $6.1 mil for 1 year. If KK was signed for $2m for 2-3 years, it would make a lot more sense, but still questionable.

You're obsessing over a one-year overpayment of 3 million (not a big deal), and assuming that Kotkaniemi is garbage with no potential.

Carolina obviously made this deal on potential.

 

[flying v 604]

So making the same mistake that we did with Aho. It would be a gift to the Sens. It would take far more than to get him. That's about what he should get now. It would have to be 12 so they cannot match it.

A 45 point none play driving winger is worth more than 8m? Oh man that's rich.

 

[Goalfield13]

You're obsessing over a one-year overpayment of 3 million (not a big deal), and assuming that Kotkaniemi is garbage with no potential.

Carolina obviously made this deal on potential.

They didn't. It was made out of spite. They expected us to match.

Also, $3mil is not nothing. If we were able to rid ourselves of Byron right now to save his $3.4 cap space, the majority of posters would do so in a heartbeat. If the Leafs had $3mil, they could have kept Hyman and had some extra room to sign Rielly. $3 is not nothing. Everyone downplaying the cost the Canes paid for KK are not seeing things straight. He isn't worth that.

 

[DAChampion]

They didn't. It was made out of spite. They expected us to match.

Ridiculous.