Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman II - still waiting

[Hookslide]

Exactly... and with lower quality of play.

I was going to mention that, but did not want to over do it.

 

[GordonHowe]

We may have kept the wrong goalie...

Nope.

 

[Number8]

In my opinion, Swayman will sign. I cannot foresee a situation where that doesn’t happen.

The speculation and degree of nastiness we’ve seen in these threads is nothing more than fear, boredom/impatience for the season to start.

We should all chill out on this and cut each other some slack.

He signs and we will have kind of a fun season, I think.

 

[22Brad Park]

Long term 7.75 × 8 yrs is fair ...least to me.Again the numbers might be different but he will be signing with Bruins regardless for my money.

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

How would a contract situation look with Swayman with the deferred to 9th year payment loophole?

 

[wintersej]

so you think the bruins going from swayman/Ullmark to korpisalo/bussi is only a couple points difference in the standings?

I think it’s a 6-8 game difference.

Well that makes a ton of sense regarding your position.

I think it’s a potential to miss the playoffs and will result in

I mean if you think Swayman is sitting out all year, sure. But that’s crazy talk. Pastrnak, McAvoy, Marchand…the entire leadership core here…all signed their big deals later in the offseason than this. The summer overreaction is in full swing right now.

 

[DaStinger]

Nope.

If it ends up at 10-12M per, who we cutting to get under cap?

 

[UncleRico]

I mean if you think Swayman is sitting out all year, sure. But that’s crazy talk. Pastrnak, McAvoy, Marchand…the entire leadership core here…all signed their big deals later in the offseason than this. The summer overreaction is in full swing right now.

Well now this is just changing the entire scope of the conversation from whether or not swayman had more leverage with Ullmark here.

However despite as much as you try to move away from your original comments…

Scenarios and “what ifs” are a central part of negotiations.

Swayman is 100% percent making it known the bruins are in a much worse situation HYPOTHETICALLY (because hypothetical situations are massive parts of negotiations) without him and Ullmark on the roster.

Sweeney and company are 100% meeting and going through all scenarios and “what ifs”

- what if we sign him, how does that impact our team

-what if we sign him how does that impact our future cap

-what if he holds out( and for how long), how does that impact this season

And many many more scenarios/what ifs are being played out.

What ifs and hypotheticals are a central part of the negotiation process. It’s called doing your due dilligence in weighing all possible outcomes.

 

[wintersej]

Well now this is just changing the entire scope of the conversation from whether or not swayman had more leverage with Ullmark here.

However despite as much as you try to move away from your original comments…

Scenarios and “what ifs” are a central part of negotiations.

Swayman is 100% percent making it known the bruins are in a much worse situation HYPOTHETICALLY (because hypothetical situations are massive parts of negotiations) without him and Ullmark on the roster.

Sweeney and company are 100% meeting and going through all scenarios and “what ifs”

- what if we sign him, how does that impact our team

-what if we sign him how does that impact our future cap

-what if he holds out( and for how long), how does that impact this season

And many many more scenarios/what ifs are being played out.

What ifs and hypotheticals are a central part of the negotiation process. It’s called doing your due dilligence in weighing all possible outcomes.

Swayman has way more to lose sitting out a year than the Bruins do. That’s why it’s just not enough of a part of the calculus to spend a lot of time on. He even has way more to lose if he sits out until after the season starts because of how cap hits get calculated for contracts that get signed after the start of the season. The longer he waits to sign after the season starts, the less AAV the Bruins could fit.

 

[UncleRico]

Swayman has way more to lose sitting out a year than the Bruins do. That’s why it’s just not enough of a part of the calculus to spend a lot of time on. He even has way more to lose if he sits out until after the season starts because of how cap hits get calculated for contracts that get signed after the start of the season.

I think bruins are potentially missing the playoffs even if swayman holds out until December. They need him for the full season.

That’s what roughly 25 games with some of the league worst goaltending?

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Swayman has way more to lose sitting out a year than the Bruins do. That’s why it’s just not enough of a part of the calculus to spend a lot of time on. He even has way more to lose if he sits out until after the season starts because of how cap hits get calculated for contracts that get signed after the start of the season. The longer he waits to sign after the season starts, the less AAV the Bruins could fit.

I would imagine he could short change himself for the next two seasons and sign his qualifiers, but that would be ultra risky. I would imagine it gets done, just seems like a very noisy situation which is different from Mac and Pasta from what I remember?

 

[wintersej]

I would imagine he could short change himself for the next two seasons and sign his qualifiers, but that would be ultra risky. I would imagine it gets done, just seems like a very noisy situation which is different from Mac and Pasta from what I remember?

He had to sign qualifier back in July

 

[badbrewin]

Not worth what he's looking for, yet. At this point, they should give him a 1 year bridge deal at $7M, see how he performs as a true #1 then lock him up long-term next season, a year before his UFA status.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Not worth what he's looking for, yet. At this point, they should give him a 1 year bridge deal at $7M, see how he performs as a true #1 then lock him up long-term next season, a year before his UFA status.

And how would Swayman’s side feel about that?

 

[badbrewin]

And how would Swayman’s side feel about that?

They should feel especially motivated to put their $ where their mouths are. It's not like the B's won't pay, but his sample size isn't big enough to get paid with the elite yet.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

They should feel especially motivated to put their $ where their mouths are. It's not like the B's won't pay, but his sample size isn't big enough to get paid with the elite yet.

For a one year deal that doesn’t get him to UFA? At under market value? Hardly.

 

[Hookslide]

They should feel especially motivated to put their $ where their mouths are. It's not like the B's won't pay, but his sample size isn't big enough to get paid with the elite yet.

You are right about sample size, but he would be taking a big risk for one if an injury occurs.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I mean if you think Swayman is sitting out all year, sure. But that’s crazy talk. Pastrnak, McAvoy, Marchand…the entire leadership core here…all signed their big deals later in the offseason than this. The summer overreaction is in full swing right now.

This is a bit misleading.

Unless I'm reading the contracts on PuckPedia incorrectly....

Marchand did sign his 3rd contract later in the offseason, on September 7. But he still had a year left on his prior deal when he did that. He signed his 4th contract (his current one) on Sept 26... but also a year early.

McAvoy signed his big contract on Oct 15 2021. Again he still had a year left on his 2nd contract when he did.

Pastrnak did sign his 2nd contract later in the offseason (Sept 14) so that one is true. Though he did sign his 3rd contract in March while still playing under 2nd.

Swayman will get done eventually because there is no other option for him.

Not worth what he's looking for, yet. At this point, they should give him a 1 year bridge deal at $7M, see how he performs as a true #1 then lock him up long-term next season, a year before his UFA status.

Why would he sign a 1 year deal?

 

[Dr Quincy]

They should feel especially motivated to put their $ where their mouths are. It's not like the B's won't pay, but his sample size isn't big enough to get paid with the elite yet.

So he signs a year and proves it. At the end of the year, he's still an RFA and they are in the same position. What happens if the B's sign some free agents on July 1 and say "Sorry Sway we only have $6m left under the cap. We'll give you $5.5?"

 

[badbrewin]

For a one year deal that doesn’t get him to UFA? At under market value? Hardly.

I'd say Swayman's market value is somewhere between 5-6, even with just 132 games of NHL experience. If he's looking for $ in the Helleybuyck to Vasilevskiy range, he's dreaming. They paid their dues....500+ NHL games and one guy has 2 cups.

That's why I say let him ride a full season, prove himself, increase his sample size, then see if he's worth what he'as asking.

 

[GordonHowe]

If it ends up at 10-12M per, who we cutting to get under cap?

I have no idea.

But it will be someone they can afford to cut, in more than one way.

That Evan Gold stuff I don't worry about. They will certainly figure that out. If they can afford to give Tyler Johnson a pto, they can cut who needs to be cut, should cuts be needed.

 

[badbrewin]

You are right about sample size, but he would be taking a big risk for one if an injury occurs.

Just as the B's would be taking a risk to shell out $8M+ long-term on a modest sample size. Risk sharing should be a partnership.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I'd say Swayman's market value is somewhere between 5-6, even with just 132 games of NHL experience. If he's looking for $ in the Helleybuyck to Vasilevskiy range, he's dreaming. They paid their dues....500+ NHL games and one guy has 2 cups.

That's why I say let him ride a full season, prove himself, increase his sample size, then see if he's worth what he'as asking.

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It’s not 5-6. It not really close to that.

 

[badbrewin]

So he signs a year and proves it. At the end of the year, he's still an RFA and they are in the same position. What happens if the B's sign some free agents on July 1 and say "Sorry Sway we only have $6m left under the cap. We'll give you $5.5?"

Unfortunately, that's an ongoing conondrum of the cap era. Those tough decisions are perpetual and I guess there's a reason our Economics Harvard graduate GM gets paid the big $....to figure out how to make it work, sometimes with collateral damage.

 

[Hookslide]

Just as the B's would be taking a risk to shell out $8M+ long-term on a modest sample size. Risk sharing should be a partnership.

Well, Swayman is not signing for one year and the Bruins are not giving him the farm on an 8 year, so what do propose?