Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman II - still waiting

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

He was a big part of what made it history-setting.

Which makes that season for Thomas better than Ulmark's.

 

[Ladyfan]

No worries.

Sway will be with the Bs this season.

I hope the deal is around 8

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Did I just hear right ..... Swayman asking for 10 million? lol. Tell me I didn't hear that right.

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You didn't hear it at all. Absolutely no one outside a very small group in the Bruins FO, Swayman, and his agent have any idea what Swayman is asking for and what the Bruins are offering

 

[wintersej]

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Thomas played more games, had the same SV% and had nearly 5x as many shutouts

In a much lower scoring era.

 

[Ladyfan]

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

That is a big factor in Ullmark's favor.

To have a 1.89 goals against with only 2 shutouts means he had virtually no bad games.

Thomas had an 8-6 win over Montreal, a 7-5 win against Calgary, a 7-6 loss to Buffalo, etc.

Ullmark 40-6-1
Thomas 35-11-9

There's actually a stat that backs that up pretty well. Hockey reference has Quality Start (QS%) stat, where a Quality Start is a game where sv% is better than the leagues average sv%.

Ullmark had a staggering 89.6% of his starts in 2022-23 as Quality Starts. I did a quick look at other top goalies and I couldn't find a single one who ever had over 80% with at least 40 starts. The Vezina winner is usually only around 70%.

For comparison on past/current Bruins goalies looking at just their career in Boston:

Thomas - 66.9% QS, best years: 2010-11 Vezina win (74.5%) & 2008-09 Vezina win (73.6%)
Rask - 61.0% QS, best years: 2009-10 (74.4%), 2012-13 (73.5%), 2013-14 Vezina win (67.2%), 2019-20 Vezina runner-up (68.3%)
Ullmark - 70.6% QS, best years: 2022-23 Vezina win (89.6%), 2023-24 (66.7%)
Swayman - 64.8% QS, best years: 2022-23 (63.6%), 2023-24 (62.8%) though 2020-21 in his 10 starts he was 90%.

 

[DKH]

Been cramming for Fantasy Football Draft and reviewing my posts from Jan 2104 - June 2014 to see if they all were bad takes or I got a couple right (not looking good) so….

Out of Sway loop but unless they have doubts about something they should land on 8 years

He’s not worth $10 M now but could start at 6 M and end up at 10 M last couple of years of 8 years

The rationale would be that the Bruins wanted time to negotiate, or rather use time as a negotiating strategy. Patience can be useful in in negotiations. There’s pressure and anxiety when a deal isn’t done, especially on the player.

So yes, they probably started out far apart, and that’s when the Bruins decided they weren’t going to rush it. “Let’s use the time we have to negotiate as much as possible.”

Do you believe in the full composition to go 8 years or would you want less years

 

[DKH]

No worries.

Sway will be with the Bs this season.

I hope the deal is around 8

Whoa ? When did you go all positive

 

[BamBamCam]

Ullmark was one of the best goalies to ever wear the Bruin uniform. Hopefully Swayman can be almost as good.

Pete Peters says Hi

 

[Hookslide]

Guess again.

I guess you missed the Tiny Thompson year........Oh wait, I did too.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

There's actually a stat that backs that up pretty well. Hockey reference has Quality Start (QS%) stat, where a Quality Start is a game where sv% is better than the leagues average sv%.

Ullmark had a staggering 89.6% of his starts in 2022-23 as Quality Starts. I did a quick look at other top goalies and I couldn't find a single one who ever had over 80% with at least 40 starts. The Vezina winner is usually only around 70%.

For comparison on past/current Bruins goalies looking at just their career in Boston:

Thomas - 66.9% QS, best years: 2010-11 Vezina win (74.5%) & 2008-09 Vezina win (73.6%)
Rask - 61.0% QS, best years: 2009-10 (74.4%), 2012-13 (73.5%), 2013-14 Vezina win (67.2%), 2019-20 Vezina runner-up (68.3%)
Ullmark - 70.6% QS, best years: 2022-23 Vezina win (89.6%), 2023-24 (66.7%)
Swayman - 64.8% QS, best years: 2022-23 (63.6%), 2023-24 (62.8%) though 2020-21 in his 10 starts he was 90%.

Thanks for that!

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I guess you missed the Tiny Thompson year........Oh wait, I did too.

Yeah, I didn't see that one.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Pete Peters says Hi

That was a great season for Peeters. And it was a truly great Bruins team.

Not as good as Ullmark's, though.

 

[LSCII]

There's actually a stat that backs that up pretty well. Hockey reference has Quality Start (QS%) stat, where a Quality Start is a game where sv% is better than the leagues average sv%.

Ullmark had a staggering 89.6% of his starts in 2022-23 as Quality Starts. I did a quick look at other top goalies and I couldn't find a single one who ever had over 80% with at least 40 starts. The Vezina winner is usually only around 70%.

For comparison on past/current Bruins goalies looking at just their career in Boston:

Thomas - 66.9% QS, best years: 2010-11 Vezina win (74.5%) & 2008-09 Vezina win (73.6%)
Rask - 61.0% QS, best years: 2009-10 (74.4%), 2012-13 (73.5%), 2013-14 Vezina win (67.2%), 2019-20 Vezina runner-up (68.3%)
Ullmark - 70.6% QS, best years: 2022-23 Vezina win (89.6%), 2023-24 (66.7%)
Swayman - 64.8% QS, best years: 2022-23 (63.6%), 2023-24 (62.8%) though 2020-21 in his 10 starts he was 90%.

The team was a regular season wagon. They were incredible front runners. They'd get a lead, force teams to open up their game and take chances, and then capitalize on those opportunities. It really wouldn't have mattered who they had in net, TBH, they were going to run through the other team. Maybe they win a closer game or two, but they were still going to win. If you can take the opposition and make them one dimensional where they have to take chances, you're going to win easily.

It's also why they got exposed in the playoffs. Like badly exposed. Paper champions. They were great when they had a 2 goal lead, but once they got in a real dog fight, they had zero answers and folded.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

The team was a regular season wagon. They were incredible front runners. They'd get a lead, force teams to open up their game and take chances, and then capitalize on those opportunities. It really wouldn't have mattered who they had in net, TBH, they were going to run through the other team. Maybe they win a closer game or two, but they were still going to win. If you can take the opposition and make them one dimensional where they have to take chances, you're going to win easily.

It's also why they got exposed in the playoffs. Like badly exposed. Paper champions. They were great when they had a 2 goal lead, but once they got in a real dog fight, they had zero answers and folded.

Also on offense they were a 1 man team. Pastrnak's 113 points were 68% more than 2nd best and his 61 goals were 125% more than 2nd best. No one else on the team hit 70 points or 30 goals, hell only 2 players broke 60 points.

In the playoffs all you had to do was throw everything at Pastrnak and dare someone else to beat you

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

The team was a regular season wagon. They were incredible front runners. They'd get a lead, force teams to open up their game and take chances, and then capitalize on those opportunities. It really wouldn't have mattered who they had in net, TBH, they were going to run through the other team. Maybe they win a closer game or two, but they were still going to win. If you can take the opposition and make them one dimensional where they have to take chances, you're going to win easily.

It's also why they got exposed in the playoffs. Like badly exposed. Paper champions. They were great when they had a 2 goal lead, but once they got in a real dog fight, they had zero answers and folded.

Bruins scored 3 goals or less 39 times that season.

Record with Ullmark in net, 40-6-1.

Record with Swayman in net, 24-6-4.

Seems like a pretty big difference to me.

 

[LSCII]

Bruins scored 3 goals or less 39 times that season.

Record with Ullmark in net, 40-6-1.

Record with Swayman in net, 24-6-4.

Seems like a pretty big difference to me.

Now do the less so we can see what that looked like, since I assume you included the 3 goals to help make your case appear better.

 

[Yeti34]

Regardless of what you think of the current situation with Sway. This all should have been ironed out BEFORE trading Ulmark and if it didn’t look like Sway was going to sign for a reasonable number than move him and invest those assets elsewhere in the line up.

I just heard on chicklets the current offer was 6.25 for four years and Sway wants the Mcavoy contract. Also bs haven’t spoken to him or called his agent back in 3 weeks.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Regardless of what you think of the current situation with Sway. This all should have been ironed out BEFORE trading Ulmark and if it didn’t look like Sway was going to sign for a reasonable number than move him and invest those assets elsewhere in the line up.

I just heard on chicklets the current offer was 6.25 for four years and Sway wants the Mcavoy contract. Also bs haven’t spoken to him or called his agent back in 3 weeks.

Do you really think he hasn’t returned calls from Swayman’s agent? Really?

 

[MetM]

They said on the Spitting Chiclets podcats that Sway was offered 4 X 6.2 ???

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

I just heard on chicklets the current offer was 6.25 for four years and Sway wants the Mcavoy contract. Also bs haven’t spoken to him or called his agent back in 3 weeks.

They should just compromise. $6.25M/yr the first 4 years, and $9.5M/yr the last 4 years.
8yrs, $63M = $7.875M AAV. Boom, done.

 

[Gee Wally]

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