Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman II - still waiting

[Ludwig Fell Down]

I am growing increasingly annoyed at the growing distraction

And I'm growing increasingly distracted by the growing annoyance. I think we've got it covered . . .

 

[TD Charlie]

I think they would match. Besides there are very limited teams that have the money, their own picks and are without a number one goalie. Its like 3 to 5. I cant remember the exact number.

It also takes two to tango. Of those 3 to 5, how many would Swayman likely want to play for?

The threat of an offer sheet here feels extremely low.

 

[Gee Wally]

It also takes two to tango. Of those 3 to 5, how many would Swayman likely want to play for?

The threat of an offer sheet here feels extremely low.

Yep.
IMO, extremely low.

 

[EverettMike]

I think they would match. Besides there are very limited teams that have the money, their own picks and are without a number one goalie. Its like 3 to 5. I cant remember the exact number.

3 to 5 sounds like a lot to me!

Also, if this drags into the season, any team that suffers a major injury early could also suddenly be a potential place to give him an offer sheet.

Even if it's still unlikely, it's still a threat to account for, which gives him a little more leverage.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

That’s right. If we take a step back and think of very recent deals:

1. They took on $3M for FOUR MORE years for a 30 year old backup who had the worst performance of any starter last season in a deal so bad for the Bruins that national media continues to laugh about it.

2. $2.75M for the #6 dman and $5M for the #5 dman with a term bringing him well into his regression years for a near $8M 3rd pair

3. Way over market value for the new #2C, with most of those years in full regression years.

All while knowing your youngish in-his-prime #1 needs a new deal. All these overpays accumulate to cap hell. We have seen this scenario since the cap was introduced in 2005.

I have been saying for months that Swayman will get $9M if the deal is over 5 years. I still think that is where this ends up.

I hope the Bruins can sleep at night knowing the national media is laughing at them. What a crock of ****

And who gives a hoot.

Bruins are and have been a top notch operation that's the envy of many teams in the league.

Posters crying over what they are paying other roster players but want to pay an unproven one round win goalie 9m for multiple years is pure gold.

He is not getting 9m, If that's the hill he will die on then trade him today, see ya

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Depends on what someone's definition of "superstar" is

Superstar or not, Ullmark's Vezina season was the best I've seen by a Bruins goalie.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Superstar or not, Ullmark's Vezina season was the best I've seen by a Bruins goalie.

I guess you missed that Tim Thomas year.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Superstar or not, Ullmark's Vezina season was the best I've seen by a Bruins goalie.

Ullmark was one of the best goalies to ever wear the Bruin uniform. Hopefully Swayman can be almost as good.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Superstar or not, Ullmark's Vezina season was the best I've seen by a Bruins goalie.

yeah, no

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I guess you missed that Tim Thomas year.

Guess again.

 

[Gee Wally]

3 to 5 sounds like a lot to me!

Also, if this drags into the season, any team that suffers a major injury early could also suddenly be a potential place to give him an offer sheet.

Even if it's still unlikely, it's still a threat to account for, which gives him a little more leverage.

Im not worried.
Again the lack of own picks is a factor coupled with the Bruins ability to match.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

yeah, no

Got a better one?

 

[KrejciMVP]

I hope the Bruins can sleep at night knowing the national media is laughing at them. What a crock of ****

And who gives a hoot.

Bruins are and have been a top notch operation that's the envy of many teams in the league.

Posters crying over what they are paying other roster players but want to pay an unproven one round win goalie 9m for multiple years is pure gold.

He is not getting 9m, If that's the hill he will die on then trade him today, see ya

If the guy was showing signs up bring Hasek or Roy sure but 9 mill a year bc he won a round against Toronto? Vasi and Borbovsky showed they are big money goalies. Swayman could get there but he needs go prove more.

 

[ON3M4N]

Superstar or not, Ullmark's Vezina season was the best I've seen by a Bruins goalie.

Close second for me. I'd still give the nod to Thomas 2010-2011 season as the best I've seen by a Bruins goalie.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Close second for me. I'd still give the nod to Thomas 2010-2011 season as the best I've seen by a Bruins goalie.

Regular season? Ullmark's was better by the numbers and the eye test.

 

[ON3M4N]

Regular season? Ullmark's was better by the numbers and the eye test.

Thomas played more games, had the same SV% and had nearly 5x as many shutouts

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Regular season? Ullmark's was better by the numbers and the eye test.

They had the same sv%, .938. Also Ullmark's battery mate was 5th in sv% in basically the same # of games as Ullmark that year kind of defeating the "it was Ullmark doing it" argument.

Thomas had slightly more separation from 2nd/5th/10th and separated against a better group of goalies than Ullmark did. Also, playoffs count as part of a season.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

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Thomas played more games, had the same SV% and had nearly 5x as many shutouts

That is a big factor in Ullmark's favor.

To have a 1.89 goals against with only 2 shutouts means he had virtually no bad games.

Thomas had an 8-6 win over Montreal, a 7-5 win against Calgary, a 7-6 loss to Buffalo, etc.

Ullmark 40-6-1
Thomas 35-11-9

They had the same sv%, .938. Also Ullmark's battery mate was 5th in sv% in basically the same # of games as Ullmark that year kind of defeating the "it was Ullmark doing it" argument.

Thomas had slightly more separation from 2nd/5th/10th and separated against a better group of goalies than Ullmark did. Also, playoffs count as part of a season.

A Vezina season. Regular season. That's what i was talking about. Obviously, Thomas full season (counting playoffs) was the best.

 

[ON3M4N]

That is a big factor in Ullmark's favor.

To have a 1.89 goals against with only 2 shutouts means he had virtually no bad games.

Thomas had an 8-6 win over Montreal, a 7-5 win against Calgary, a 7-6 loss to Buffalo, etc.

Ullmark 40-6-1
Thomas 35-11-9

He also played behind a history setting team.

 

[LSCII]

That is a big factor in Ullmark's favor.

To have a 1.89 goals against with only 2 shutouts means he had virtually no bad games.

Thomas had an 8-6 win over Montreal, a 7-5 win against Calgary, a 7-6 loss to Buffalo, etc.

Ullmark 40-6-1
Thomas 35-11-9



A Vezina season. Regular season. That's what i was talking about. Obviously, Thomas full season (counting playoffs) was the best.

No, it means he had better team defense in front of him. Save% is the only valid individual stat for a goalie, imo

 

[JoeIsAStud]

He also played behind a history setting team.

Well he was a big part of the history setting team

Plus Ullmark was an infinitely better goal scorer

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

He also played behind a history setting team.

True.

Doesn't change the fact that he played nearly flawless goal all season.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

No, it means he had better team defense in front of him. Save% is the only valid individual stat for a goalie, imo

Not at all.

Especially on a team that's system stresses clogging the middle and encouraging bad angel shots.

Also benefits a goalie like Thomas, who wasn't known for his rebound control.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

He also played behind a history setting team.

He was a big part of what made it history-setting.

 

[PaulD]

Did I just hear right ..... Swayman asking for 10 million? lol. Tell me I didn't hear that right.