Jeremy Roenick, Shea Weber and Pavel Datsyuk inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame

[Soundgarden]

his NHL resume just isn't very impressive to me. solid non-nhl resume with the olympic, wc, and jr golds is probably the reason he got in first ballot

What do you think of his Norris resume? How do you compare him to a Duncan Keith or a Drew Doughty?

 

[Quack Shot]

I think it would have been nice to have Datsyuk and Zetterberg enter the same year. Not a big deal though.

Exactly my thoughts

 

[William H Bonney]

Surprised Roenick actually got the nod. Had his peak lasted longer (and he stayed healthy) he probably makes it but seems like a stretch.

Weber was always going to get in given his Gold Medals. Him getting in should mean Suter is a lock, too.

 

[Terry Yake]

What do you think of his Norris resume? How do you compare him to a Duncan Keith or a Drew Doughty?

keith and doughty both won norris trophies, so obviously those two would be in a tier above weber

 

[tarheelhockey]

Scot Wheeler is wrong 100%

Lars-Erik Sjoberg was the first Euro Captain in the NHL

This is exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about. The committee is eventually going to buckle and let Mogilny in because we’ve got people like Wheeler out there giving him objectively incorrect credentials, or subjectively incorrect credentials like throwing around “triple gold club” devoid of context.

It’s wild that every year, these people complain about the low standards of the HHOF while actively contributing to making them even lower.

 

[MXD]

What do you think of his Norris resume? How do you compare him to a Duncan Keith or a Drew Doughty?

They're better.
They're also getting in on their first year of eligibility.

 

[Soundgarden]

They're better.
They're also getting in on their first year of eligibility.

But he doesn't look out of place in a list of best defenseman of his era. Does he?

Chara
Keith
Weber
Doughty

Looks like a list of best defenseman of the the 10's to me.

 

[Regal]

Big miss on Weber.

Everyone is forgetting the many years Weber was considered a top 5 dman in the league. There were even years he was considered the best or second best.

He’s not much different than a Keith or Doughty who are both locks for the HOF. Weber played for a mediocre team though.

Yea, those two obviously have Norris and cup wins that put them ahead in terms of career resumes, but in terms of quality of play I don’t think he’s too far behind.

He’s in the Triple Gold Club because he was a passenger (7 pts in 23 games) on a Stanley Cup team.

Prior to that, he was a passenger (3 pts in 10 games) on a ludicrously overpowered World Championship team.

Prior to that, his Olympic gold came in the pre-professional era when the Soviets were the only team icing top players… and even in that context he was just a kid playing in the middle 6.

In between all that, during the actual meat of his career when it mattered, he had two noteworthy seasons and about a dozen where it was easy to forget he was even in the league.

That leaves the defection. While a nice story, it’s not a reason to put a player in the HHOF. Certainly not if you’re gonna leave out all the other guys who also risked their necks during that era. Induct them as a cohort? Sure.

Don’t get me wrong, he’ll get in because he’s the player du jour in these conversations. Eventually the committee will buckle to the pressure and let him through. Then we’ll turn our attention to someone else who doesn’t belong, someone we’re not talking about at all right now, and some of us will be scratching our heads and thinking “this guy was never even dreamed of as a HHOF’er when he was on the ice, why are we talking about him as a snub 20 years later?”.

I mean, let’s not exaggerate too much. He played at a top line level for a number of those years. For 5 consecutive years between ‘92 and ‘96 he was 13th, 4th, 18th, 14th and 9th in points per game. Over those 5 years combined, he was 2nd in goals, 10th in points, 4th in GPG and 6th in PPG. He was considered a legit star at the time. Then he was 5th in GPG and 13th in PPG in ‘01 and 11th in PPG in ‘03. And even in ‘91, ‘97 and ‘98 he was top 30 in PPG, and just outside the top 30 in ‘02.

So outside of those two big years he still had 5 seasons in the top 20 in PPG, 3 more in the top 30 and another at 32.

As for the comment about “never dreamed of as a Hall of Famer when he was on the ice”, I get what you’re saying here and was the case for a lot of recent guys like Andreychuk, but Mogilny was one of the most talented and exciting players in the league for a number of years. People absolutely thought he was a Hall of Famer in the early to mid 90s. His career certainly leaves something to be desired compared to his talent and I don’t think he’s a clear inductee who deserves the complaints in this thread. But other than a little more consistency at peak, I think his career is pretty similar to someone like Kariya.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

But he doesn't look out of place in a list of best defenseman of his era. Does he?

Chara
Keith
Weber
Doughty

Looks like a list of best defenseman of the the 10's to me.

It’s not so much that I thought he’d never get in but on his first year of eligibility? He doesn’t have that resume.

Several articles about him getting inducted mention him being born in BC and captain of the Habs. Those seem to be the attributes that got him in during his first year of eligibility. Otherwise his main qualifications was that he was good for a long time.

 

[MXD]

It’s not so much that I thought he’d never get in but on his first year of eligibility? He doesn’t have that resume.

Several articles about him getting inducted mention him being born in BC and captain of the Habs. Those seem to be the attributes that got him in during his first year of eligibility. Otherwise his main qualifications was that he was good for a long time.

Usually players with his resume may have to wait.

But he was the second best player of his crop by a rather significant margin.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I agree that AlMo was a bit of an underachiever compared to his talent, but he is also significant for defecting and for his international career.. he's in the triple gold club.

Zetterberg is a Cup winner, Conn Smythe winner, triple gold club member, and would be an obvious choice to get inducted with Datsyuk.

Yet still he waits.

 

[Soundgarden]

It’s not so much that I thought he’d never get in but on his first year of eligibility? He doesn’t have that resume.

Several articles about him getting inducted mention him being born in BC and captain of the Habs. Those seem to be the attributes that got him in during his first year of eligibility. Otherwise his main qualifications was that he was good for a long time.

I think he was more than "just" good for a long time, he lost the norris by 9 votes and 12 votes and he was arguably his best in '13-14, or at the very least better than Keith was.

 

[William H Bonney]

keith and doughty both won norris trophies, so obviously those two would be in a tier above weber

While those 2 are both better than Weber, Norris count isn't a great barometer. Guys like Subban and Giordano have a Norris while a lot of guys in their era who were multiple tiers better don't have one. Like most awards, they come with a lot of politics and chance.

 

[pi314]

Zetterberg has been criminally underrated his entire career. At least one of the Selke's awarded to Datsyuk should be his, but he isn't as flashy so he gets no recognition.

Having seen lots of them both, no question Z was the better defender.

 

[Regal]

Zetterberg is a Cup winner, Conn Smythe winner, triple gold club member, and would be an obvious choice to get inducted with Datsyuk.

Yet still he waits.

Yea I'm not surprised Weber got in, but I am surprised he got in with Datsyuk and Zetterberg didn’t

 

[adsfan]

First homegrown Predator to be inducted! Go Shea! and Go Poile! Well deserved.

Time to hang a banner for Weber & Poile!!!

 

[PaulD]

Moginy not in again?

Of the 7 inducted today.....Moginy is as deserving as 3 ......and far more deserving than 4.

 

[RogerRoger]

Outside of a Silver Medal in 2002 what did Roenick ever accomplish?

He was on the receiving end of the best burn in NHL history.

 

[wetcoast]

Still no Mogilny eh

My guess is that you are going to be saying this forever.

Weber and Dats were easy choices and I loved Jeremy with the Black Hawks but injuries and he still managed to get in glad for him.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Zetterberg is a Cup winner, Conn Smythe winner, triple gold club member, and would be an obvious choice to get inducted with Datsyuk.

Yet still he waits.

Zetterberg should get in as well, he was an absolute horse.

 

[Ghetty Green]

Outside of a Silver Medal in 2002 what did Roenick ever accomplish?

Hes American. Switch passports with Mogilny and let's see how the voting turns out

 

[PredsV82]

Anybody holding Webers lack of a Norris against him is ignoring the fact that he lost one to Lidstrom simply because he played in a nontraditional market that the east coast and Canadian media loved to turn their noses up to. I'm pretty sure at least one jackass voter didn't even have him on the top 5 which is inexcusable. This was prior to the Preds Cup run and Nashville becoming the "it" city.

This is evidenced by the fact that Josi won one and Weber didn't. If you gave me the choice of Weber or Josi to have on my team I'd take Weber, easily

 

[Sentinel]

YES FOR ROENICK JR SUPERSTAR SO UNDERRATED literally a good argument for second best center in the early nineties in literally one of the most stacked periods ever

In a league where Lemieux, Fedorov, Yzerman, Francis, Sakic, Gilmore, and Modano never existed.

 

[EpochLink]

Weber suffered from the Brad Park syndrome, being second best defensemen in Norris voting while Lidstrom/Chara/Keith/Doughty won it in given years.

 

[tabness]

In a league where Lemieux, Fedorov, Yzerman, Francis, Sakic, Gilmore, and Modano never existed.

If you wanna take some of those guys (though no way on Francis, also not at all Modano or Sakic at that time) over Roenick as second to Lemieux be my guest, I don't even necessarily disagree, but don't pretend that he wasn't up there, and that isn't flattering to him to be up there with those guys given how good they themselves were.

Hockey Digest used to do player rankings and they got not only media people but coaches/scouts to give input, Roenick looks real good in the early nineties:

• after 1991-1992, rated second best center after Lemieux
• after 1992-1993, rated third best center after Lemieux and LaFontaine