Player Discussion Jeff Gorton

[Mac n Gs]

what value ? we have NONE to show for it...please read this
New York Rangers: Comparing the Stepan and Hagelin trades

Ok, and that’s because of the point I’ve made three times now: they drafted poorly at 41. You’re mad at the Gropp pick.

Do the research. Go look up trades involving RFA rights and tell me who got impact assets for them.

 

[tailgunner]

Scott Gomez for Chris Higgins + Ryan McDonagh is arguably the best/worst trade since 2005-06. You could not set the bar any higher.

it was the best trade for us and the worst trade for the habs...who's complaining? not me...that's what Gorton should of pulled off, instead of the Hags for Etem disaster

 

[NYR]

Yes but the way it works is Vegas, not the Rangers, get to pick the player Vegas ends up with.

Wait..I'm not as in tune to the rules of the expansion but what am I missing here?

Protected Lists

* Clubs will have two options for players they wish to protect in the Expansion Draft:
a) Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender
b) Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender
* All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft (and who to decline to waive such clauses) must be protected (and will be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).
* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

 

[Mac n Gs]

You are literally the worst.

Lmao, the logic he’s using for that trade is the same logic he’s refusing to use for the Hags one. He loves Sauer, pick #40 in 05, but is bitching about Gropp, pick #41 in 15. Amazing.

 

[mike14]

Wait..I'm not as in tune to the rules of the expansion but what am I missing here?

Protected Lists

* Clubs will have two options for players they wish to protect in the Expansion Draft:
a) Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender
b) Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender
* All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft (and who to decline to waive such clauses) must be protected (and will be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).
* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

Lindberg wasn't a first or 2nd year pro, so either had to be protected under clause a or b, or he was exposed to Vegas.
Rangers went with option a and protected: Hayes, Kreider, Miller, Nash, Stepan, Zucc and Mika for forwards, McD, Staal and Holden on D and Hank in net.

That left Lindberg, Smith, Raanta, Grabner and Klein as notable unprotected players, along with a heap of minor league guys (Pumpel, Hirvik, Pirri etc). Vegas got to choose, and chose Lindberg

 

[Thirty One]

Wait..I'm not as in tune to the rules of the expansion but what am I missing here?

Protected Lists

* Clubs will have two options for players they wish to protect in the Expansion Draft:
a) Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender
b) Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender
* All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft (and who to decline to waive such clauses) must be protected (and will be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).
* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

All the players you listed were unprotected by the Rangers, except for Jooris who hadn’t been in the organization in months. But if you wanted Vegas to take one of them over Lindberg, Fast, Grabner or Raanta, you’re going to have to pay them handsomely to do so. Which would also be viewed as losing something for nothing. The expansion draft is one team getting something for nothing and 30 teams losing it. The only teams who didn’t lose anything of value were those who had little of it to protect.

 

[Thirty One]

and you are an idiot for even thinking the Hags to Etem trade was fair value

I cannot find where he said this. pls advise.

 

[tailgunner]

Lmao, the logic he’s using for that trade is the same logic he’s refusing to use for the Hags one. He loves Sauer, pick #40 in 05, but is *****ing about Gropp, pick #41 in 15. Amazing.

leetch was 36 years old and his career was basically over...Glen traded him for turned out to be Sauer...not bad....I love Leetch and have many of his jerseys but this was a shrewd and necessary trade at the time though very unpopular because of sentiment...Hags for Etem was way worst of a trade than the Leetch trade as far as value in return.

 

[tailgunner]

I cannot find where he said this. pls advise.

then what is his problem with me ?

 

[RangerLifer]

If I was a ref I'd be giving a few of you guys two minutes to sit in the penalty box to cool off.

 

[Thirty One]

then what is his problem with me ?

I’d be guessing, but guessing from a wide range of very solid options.

 

[Tawnos]

at the moment of the trade it was awful and it got even worse because Hags found his way to the Pens and that got them over the edge to win the 16 cup...as soon as we traded him to Anaheim the pens were all over it trying to get him, they knew full well the damage Hags caused in the playoffs to the Caps, Pens, Habs, ...after they got hags late in the 16 season we had a game in Pittsburgh and a fan held up a sign which said "we now have your secret weapon" this was the 2nd worst trade in Rangers history only topped by the middleton/hodge debacle in 1976

 

[tailgunner]

I'm still waiting for someone to put me in my place and let me know of a worst trade than the Hags to Etem trade...please let me know i'm waiting..... only the Middleton/Hodge deal of 1976 is worst in Rangers history.

 

[tailgunner]

yeah I didn't think so...all quiet here now

 

[Mac n Gs]

yeah I didn't think so...all quiet here now

Because you’re being so thick-skulled and ignorant that we’ve decided to stop wasting our time on you. You literally can’t grasp that your issue with the trade is the 2nd round pick not working out so far and don’t understand that RFA rights don’t have the value you think they do.

 

[tailgunner]

Because you’re being so thick-skulled and ignorant that we’ve decided to stop wasting our time on you. You literally can’t grasp that your issue with the trade is the 2nd round pick not working out so far and don’t understand that RFA rights don’t have the value you think they do.

yes so because the 2nd round pick is not working out we lost on this deal big time. true, so once again at the end of the day what do we have to show for the hags deal...ZERO NOTHING which has been my point this whole time. we picked poorly because Gorton is a horrible GM which has been my whole point of this discussion from the beginning

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

So you're telling me that none of these players could've been exposed before OL?

Pirri
Clendening
Glass
Jooris
Hrivik
Beck
McIlrath
Jensen

Every single one of those players was exposed by the Rangers in the expansion draft.

Oh, except for Jooris and McIlrath. Jooris was lost on waivers to the Coyotes in December 2016. McIlrath was traded to Florida for Kampfer in November 2016.

 

[NYR]

Every single one of those players was exposed by the Rangers in the expansion draft.

Oh, except for Jooris and McIlrath. Jooris was lost on waivers to the Coyotes in December 2016. McIlrath was traded to Florida for Kampfer in November 2016.

Lindberg wasn't a first or 2nd year pro, so either had to be protected under clause a or b, or he was exposed to Vegas.
Rangers went with option a and protected: Hayes, Kreider, Miller, Nash, Stepan, Zucc and Mika for forwards, McD, Staal and Holden on D and Hank in net.

That left Lindberg, Smith, Raanta, Grabner and Klein as notable unprotected players, along with a heap of minor league guys (Pumpel, Hirvik, Pirri etc). Vegas got to choose, and chose Lindberg

All the players you listed were unprotected by the Rangers, except for Jooris who hadn’t been in the organization in months. But if you wanted Vegas to take one of them over Lindberg, Fast, Grabner or Raanta, you’re going to have to pay them handsomely to do so. Which would also be viewed as losing something for nothing. The expansion draft is one team getting something for nothing and 30 teams losing it. The only teams who didn’t lose anything of value were those who had little of it to protect.

Got it..

 

[tailgunner]

Ok, and that’s because of the point I’ve made three times now: they drafted poorly at 41. You’re mad at the Gropp pick.

Do the research. Go look up trades involving RFA rights and tell me who got impact assets for them.

yes your right they drafted poorly because Gorton is incompetent which has been my point for this whole debate, that Gorton has screwed up here badly, it's not just me saying it all the NHL writers are saying it as well.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I'm still waiting for someone to put me in my place and let me know of a worst trade than the Hags to Etem trade...please let me know i'm waiting..... only the Middleton/Hodge deal of 1976 is worst in Rangers history.

The Eric Staal trade

Michel Bergeron for a 1st round pick

The Ryane Clowe trade

The Eric Lindros trade

Nick Fotiu for a 6th round pick

Carey Wilson and a 3rd for Jody Hull

Luc Robitaille for Kevin Stevens

Sergie Zubov and Petr Nedved for Luc Robitaille and Ulf Samuelsson

Dominic Moore for Adam Hall

Lauri Korpikoski for Enver Lisin

Mattias Norstrom, Ray Ferraro, Nathan Lafayette and a 4th for Jari Kurri, Marty McSorely, and Shane Churla.

Kelly Miller, Mike Ridley and Bob Crawford for Bobby Carpenter and a 2nd

 

[Mac n Gs]

yes your right they drafted poorly because Gorton is incompetent which has been my point for this whole debate, that Gorton has screwed up here badly, it's not just me saying it all the NHL writers are saying it as well.

You’ve outdone yourself again. Gorton is incompetent because a 2nd round pick from 3 drafts ago hasn’t worked out yet? I’m honestly wondering if you’re just trolling at this point. I’m done with this conversation.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Let's not forget losing Lindberg for nothing..

Alright, who would you have exposed in order to protect Lindberg?

Stepan
Zuccarello
Zibanejad
Hayes
Miller
Nash (had to be protected)
Kreider

 

[mrmovies779]

yes your right they drafted poorly because Gorton is incompetent which has been my point for this whole debate, that Gorton has screwed up here badly, it's not just me saying it all the NHL writers are saying it as well.

Now you are making stuff up.all the nhl writers lol

 

[Tob]

Now you are making stuff up.all the nhl writers lol

It's true, www.theplaceforpucktalkanddiscountcoconutoil.com had a podcast on it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Man this thread has turned into a fail off between TG and NYR.